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WALES AND POLAND

  • 27-01-2012 11:57am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭


    hey guys just wondering what your take is on the welsh trip to poland to this ice chamber again. just seen interview from gatts and warburton saying they feel the opposition will feel in last 20 mins that the wales players are going be physically stronger.
    Is this psychological stuff from the notorious gatts or is there truth in it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    I'm not sure what difference a week there will make. Of course they'll use it as a psychological advantage too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    Truthfully I don't think the techniques used are particularly new, so if it did have any REAL advantage I'd say a lot of teams would be doing it by now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭cork exile in london


    Truthfully I don't think the techniques used are particularly new, so if it did have any REAL advantage I'd say a lot of teams would be doing it by now

    I was thinking the exact same thing to.I think a lot of stuff gatland does is to try and get inside the minds of the opposition and he like us knows this first game is absolutely key. Although i think us losing is probably more damaging for wales with us going to our dreaded paris 6 says later.

    just seen we are 5to1 with bookies. not bad odds even if we do have france away.thing is we have italy at home and this to be fiar tends to be the game where the 6 nations winners run up a good score aggregate to win the title unless you scrape a slam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭guapos


    We used to do it ourselves
    http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/12746.php


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭yeraulone


    Think the Irish team did it as well just before the RWC 2007.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭smurphy29


    I wouldn't be so dismissive of it. I certainly don't think Gatland is bringing his squad over to a freezing, by all accounts pretty miserable landscape for a week just to play mindgames. I'm not necessarily advocating it, just saying that he's not doing it for nothing. Wales were over there in the World Cup, and they were super-fit in that tournament.

    Not sure whether it'll have the same effect when it's halfway through the season and the players are battle-hardened after a tough five months at the coalface, but we'll see.

    Eddie was a big fan but the cryotherpay went out with him in the fallout for the 2007 World Cup, but it's unlikely they were responsible for Ireland's dreadful performances in France.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I hope Tommy Bowes giving them a bit of abuse about it. Plenty of scope for jokes there!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    yeraulone wrote: »
    Think the Irish team did it as well just before the RWC 2007.

    exactly what I was gonna say

    didn't really make much difference for performance anyway!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭cork exile in london


    i thought it was mainly for clearing up old injuries but by the sounds of it it is fitness orientated. do think it is more suited to been off season though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Rattlehead_ie


    Ice Chamber me arse.

    Run around 3rock mountain in your boxers, now that's real cold for ya!! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭Brendan97


    All it is is standing in a below freezing chamber for as long as you can and it helps you recover faster almost the same as an ice bath, if you pull a muscle you recover faster, if you do intensive training one day and are going to do the same tomorrow it helps you recover to enable you to do more training making you able to do more training without feeling sore so it will get your fitness levels up.
    the Irish team have been doing it for years


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Huw Bennett the Wales hookers gave his views on the ice chambers to ESPN.

    "The use of the chambers helps players' recovery from training and was seen by Gatland as a key element in Wales' World Cup preparations when they spent two 10-day camps in Spala. And while Bennett welcomes the impact the camp has had, he is keen to point out that it is the players, and not the ice chambers, that are ultimately responsible for any benefits seen on the field.

    Bennett said: "One of the key things about being out here in Poland is that we are able to concentrate on our rugby preparations 24 hours a day. There are no distractions out here and, personally, I know that going to Spala last year made a definite positive impact on me physically and there is also a psychological impact.

    "There's no magic wand, the 'cryo' would be no good without the hard work either side of it. We won't know if what we have done here has had an effect until we play, but success at international level is about very small margins and we know we are giving ourselves the best chance by working hard."

    http://www.espnscrum.com/six-nations-2012/rugby/story/158410.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    The mind plays a big part in sport. If the players believe the ice chambers help then its worthwhile going there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    guapos wrote: »
    We used to do it ourselves
    http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/12746.php

    It was originally an athletics coach from poland called Zbigniew Orywal that introduced Irish athletes to the cryotherapy in Poland (as far as I know...)
    It was about at least 10-12 years ago. I think Liam Henessey looked into it and got the Irish team involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    hey guys just wondering what your take is on the welsh trip to poland to this ice chamber again. just seen interview from gatts and warburton saying they feel the opposition will feel in last 20 mins that the wales players are going be physically stronger.
    Is this psychological stuff from the notorious gatts or is there truth in it?


    It's not just an "ice chamber".
    The facilities at Spala are top notch.

    Typically the players would train twice a day, after breakfast, then nap, then have the cryotherapy (typically -120 degrees for 4-6 minutes), lunch, train again in the evening, dinner and sleep.
    In this way they can get 10 intense and high quality sessions done in 5 days and the cryotherapy is really meant to help with recovery.

    I do take the point about the placebo affect as well though.
    The placebo affect plus any positive affects from the week in spala might just give them an extra few %age points both physically and pyschologically


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    Ice Chambers have an advantage my hairy arse. The only place where the Wales team are going is back to those Ice Chambers to be preserved after we kill them on Sunday.

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭roycon


    the reason they go to poland is so that the team are locked away and cant get pissed and arrested. ireland luckily dont have the same discipline problems


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    It's not just an "ice chamber".
    The facilities at Spala are top notch.

    Typically the players would train twice a day, after breakfast, then nap, then have the cryotherapy (typically -120 degrees for 4-6 minutes), lunch, train again in the evening, dinner and sleep.
    In this way they can get 10 intense and high quality sessions done in 5 days and the cryotherapy is really meant to help with recovery.

    I do take the point about the placebo affect as well though.
    The placebo affect plus any positive affects from the week in spala might just give them an extra few %age points both physically and pyschologically

    Yeah, our boys did all of the above and then went out on the pitch and performed like a bunch of guys that had never before met. atrocious against Namibia and very lucky to beat Georgia, fcuking Georgia. And finally embaressed by Argentina(who had only been together for 16 days before the W/C)
    this Spala thing is a complete load of B####X
    glad to see that someone in the IRFU finally saw through the scam and was never mentioned again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    washman3 wrote: »
    Yeah, our boys did all of the above and then went out on the pitch and performed like a bunch of guys that had never before met. atrocious against Namibia and very lucky to beat Georgia, fcuking Georgia. And finally embaressed by Argentina(who had only been together for 16 days before the W/C)
    this Spala thing is a complete load of B####X
    glad to see that someone in the IRFU finally saw through the scam and was never mentioned again.


    Yeah, Wales didnt benefit from it at all.

    Neither have countless Olympians..........

    please, spare me you're uninformed drivel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    profitius wrote: »
    The mind plays a big part in sport. If the players believe the ice chambers help then its worthwhile going there.

    This.

    Whatever benefit the actual treatment has for the players is at least equalled in it's psychological effects. One big placebo, I reckon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Yeah, Wales didnt benefit from it at all.

    Neither have countless Olympians..........

    please, spare me you're uninformed drivel


    were the All Blacks there??
    were the Spanish soccer team there??
    was Manny Pacquio there??
    was Rafael Nadal there??

    the list goes on.!!
    all world champions that can see this type of bluff a mile away.
    the phrase "trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear springs to mind" ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    washman3 wrote: »
    were the All Blacks there??
    were the Spanish soccer team there??
    was Manny Pacquio there??
    was Rafael Nadal there??

    the list goes on.!!
    all world champions that can see this type of bluff a mile away.
    the phrase "trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear springs to mind" ;)

    Novak Djokovic is supposed to use an Oxygen capsule after training to help recover. I haven't heard of anyone else using it but he's seeing the benefit of it, clearly.

    Van Persie was eating horse placenta or something along those lines in order to speed up the recovery of an injury a while back.

    Shefflin (almost) recovered from a cruciate knee injury in a matter of weeks to play in the All-Ireland Final last year (or the year before?) by going to see Ger Hartmann.

    Not everyone is going to use the same facilities or treatments, obviously.

    Clearly, whatever the Welsh were at pre-WC paid off because they were stronger and fitter than us and probably every other team they played, outside of the Saffers. They nearly beat them too and should have beaten the French.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    White's Hotel in Wexford has a cryotherapy chamber now, so there is no need to go to Poland for that.

    From reports from the Irish squad who have been over there, the place would do your head in as there is nothing to do but train as its miles from nowhere in the middle of a forest. Highlight of the day might be to cycle a couple of miles to get a cup of coffee. The accommodation is very spartan as well.

    Mike Mcgurn who used to be the Ireland and then the Osprey's fitness coach said after Ireland won the grand slam (he was working with the Ospreys at the time) that the Welsh had about 70/80% fitness levels of the irish team, so I suppose gatland is addressing that issue. i think that its also useful to get the welsh squad away from wales as its a small place and like a goldfish bowl and some players seem to get into trouble when out and about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Noffles


    roycon wrote: »
    the reason they go to poland is so that the team are locked away and cant get pissed and arrested. ireland luckily dont have the same discipline problems

    Yep, that's exactly why they go there, you've seen through the Wales plan... good work, Sherlock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭EmeraldNK


    smurphy29 wrote: »
    I certainly don't think Gatland is bringing his squad over to a freezing, by all accounts pretty miserable landscape for a week just to play mindgames.

    It's not as miserable as you might think. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Conas wrote: »
    Ice Chambers have an advantage my hairy arse. The only place where the Wales team are going is back to those Ice Chambers to be preserved after we kill them on Sunday.

    :pac:


    think before you talk bud..!!!;)
    the Welsh are having the last laugh now.
    3 in a row for them too.


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