Toilet allways getting blocked up-HELP

paddy147

Hi,my toilet is allways getting blocked up,when ever anyone has to go to the toilet.Its been like this since the toilet was put into the bathroom.

The actual toilet bowl seems to be very small to me,and this is allways where the blockage occurs.The soild waste and toilet paper allways seem to get stuck in the neck/turn of the toilet bowl itself.

Its getting very fustrating and also rather embarrassing now.:o:(

Is the toilet bowl too small and is there a toilet on the market with a bigger bowl.How much would I be looking at for a better toilet,that will solve the problem?

The name on the toilet flush button is "Ideal Standard".

Pics of the offending toilet and also back of toilet are attached.

Thanks.:)

Billy Bunting

Your second picture doesnt quite show all the multiwick bit very often toilets tend to block because the seal between the multiwick and sewer is fouling the flow.

paddy147

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Your second picture doesnt quite show all the multiwick bit very often toilets tend to block because the seal between the multiwick and sewer is fouling the flow.

Better pic.Hope this helps.:)

freddyuk

Modern toilets are dual flush due to ridiculous legislation which allows you to put drinking water down the toilet but not "grey water".
The big flush is 6 litres which is no where near enough if you have a long run to the septic tank. You may have the flush stuck in the low flush mode which is maybe 3 litres so not enough water to flush solids away?
Check inside the cistern and see if it flushes all the water or only half of it.

gdavis

check if cistern is filling up to the max line after flushing,might need to be adjusted to let more water in

paddy147

freddyuk wrote: »

Modern toilets are dual flush due to ridiculous legislation which allows you to put drinking water down the toilet but not "grey water".
The big flush is 6 litres which is no where near enough if you have a long run to the septic tank. You may have the flush stuck in the low flush mode which is maybe 3 litres so not enough water to flush solids away?
Check inside the cistern and see if it flushes all the water or only half of it.

Right,just flushed the toilet and the water level droped down by about 6 inches to more or less the botom of the cistern.The toilet flush seems to be only for a short period of time.Around 7-8 seconds duration.

Heres a pic of the cistern when full,and then straight after being flushed.


All I know is that when any soild waste and toilet paper is in the bowl,the toilet blocks up and the soild waste seems to get trapped in the toilet bowl and wont pass around the neck of the bowl.

Its rather nasty and emabrrassing to view and then try and unblock.

freddyuk

You need to adjust the float level as you have nowhere near enough water coming into the cistern.
There should be a screw adjustment on the float mechanism. Be careful as it is fragile plastic.

paddy147

freddyuk wrote: »

You need to adjust the float level as you have nowhere near enough water coming into the cistern.
There should be a screw adjustment on the float mechanism. Be careful as it is fragile plastic.

There doesnt seem to be that much water in the cistern when its "full".

So how exactly do I adjust the float?And does it get adjusted upwards or downwards?

I presume its the blue coloured plastic thing??

Thanks.:)

freddyuk

Upwards. There are hundreds of different designs and some will need adjusting before it is inserted in the cistern. Is there a nut or adjuster on the pipe going down to the inlet below the blue float?

paddy147

freddyuk wrote: »

Upwards. There are hundreds of different designs and some will need adjusting before it is inserted in the cistern. Is there a nut or adjuster on the pipe going down to the inlet below the blue float?

Nope,no adjuster or nut on the plastic pipe going down to the inlet.

Billy Bunting

I'm not going looking now but i'm pretty sure you'll find a clip on youtube showing you how to adjust the water level.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+toilet+water+level&oq=+toilet+water+level&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=21375l26484l0l29015l8l5l0l0l0l0l656l1405l2-1.0.1.1l3l0

Joey the lips

There is only 3 reason i know these dont flush right.

1. The water fill level is not high enough. There is a fill line etched on the inside back wall of the cistern.

2. You are using "heavy" toilet roll. Believe it or not some toilet is too good a quality.

3. You are using blue loo's equilivents. These clog up top flush cisterns and slow down the flow of water into them.

Adjusting the fill level is done with the inlet. valve.

paddy147

Joey the lips wrote: »

There is only 3 reason i know these dont flush right.

1. The water fill level is not high enough. There is a fill line etched on the inside back wall of the cistern.

2. You are using "heavy" toilet roll. Believe it or not some toilet is too good a quality.

3. You are using blue loo's equilivents. These clog up top flush cisterns and slow down the flow of water into them.

Adjusting the fill level is done with the inlet. valve.

I only use toilet duck in the toilet bowl,and nothing else.

Toilet paper is "Nicky" 2 ply toilet roll.


The water level (when full) seems to be about 2 inches below this very fine line though.

How exactly do I adjust the fill level on this toilet then?


Thanks.:)

Billy Bunting

There are lots of these Paddy with different guts, maybe a few close up pics of your guts would help. :pac:

freddyuk

Maybe you have the wrong "guts" for the cistern you have. Would be easy to buy a new flush kit after checking the level you want in the cistern. Isolate the supply. Remove the cistern after flushing it. Remove the inlet pipe and see if it is in fact adjustable. If not go and get a new one to suit the cistern. (and flush valve). They are not expensive and are normally fully adjustable but in my view not adjustable enough.

paddy147

Billy Bunting wrote: »

There are lots of these Paddy with different guts, maybe a few close up pics of your guts would help. :pac:

I,ll get some pics later on.

Im watching the news at the moment and listening to Enda Kenny talking absolute bullshyte,and worming his way out of any responsibility,yet again..:mad:

Joey the lips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrGy3at4i68

Hope this like helps. The flapper or second bit generally does not apply to irish markets.

There is a couple of different varients on the market but they all work roughly the same.

If its only minor adjustment then adjusting the float bit as detailed in the video might suit you

paddy147

It aint happening,the solid waste is actually not able to even around the bend/neck in the toilet bowl.:(:o

The toilet bowl seems very small,compared to other toilets that I have seen.

What sort of price would a reasonable decent propper working toilet be then??

And anyone got any links to where I can get 1 at a resonable price?

Thanks.:)

sullzz

Does this happen every time you use the toilet , if so to rule out the possibility of it being too low water level you could fill up the cistern yo the overflow point with a bucket then flush , id doubt its a problem with the pan itself chances are there is simething blocking the multiwik at the back of the pan , take out the toilet and have a look sure you have a valve on the cold feed.

freddyuk

Good idea. Just fill a bucket straight down the pan. If it goes away you know it is likely the water level. If it does not then you have a blockage.
Then put 6 litres in a bucket and see if it works. If so get the float sorted.

Marcanthony

Joey the lips wrote: »

There is only 3 reason i know these dont flush right.

Plenty of more problems can cause this issue. Another 10 comes to my mind at present.

However the picture of the pan you posted paddy shows an overflow deposit mark from the rim in the pan to the water level in the pan.

My opinion for what it is worth is that your ballcock has been adjusted incorrectly at some stage to solve this overflow issue and the water level in the cistern needs to be adjusted correctly to resolve this.

paddy147

sullzz wrote: »

Does this happen every time you use the toilet , if so to rule out the possibility of it being too low water level you could fill up the cistern yo the overflow point with a bucket then flush , id doubt its a problem with the pan itself chances are there is simething blocking the multiwik at the back of the pan , take out the toilet and have a look sure you have a valve on the cold feed.

Happens all the time,since the toilet was installed,cant get the plumber back,as he and his family have gone to live/work in Oz.:(

Marcanthony

in one of your picture posts. I have noticed the water line level is at the manufactuers line in cistern.
However If you adjust ballcock and overflow.Ill say that will do the trick.

paddy147

I dont really know what Im doing here,and certainly dont want to make things any worse

Maybe it time for a plumber to look at this and solve the problem for me.Anyone care to reccommend me a plumber for Dublin 9 area?

Feel free to PM me.

Thanks.

paddy147

Problem solved.

New black outdoor waste pipe fitted (old one had 2 bends in it and was not angled/sloped correctly).

Oh and also new adjustable "fast fill" kit installed in the toilet cistern.

The existing/old blue coloured one was crap and non adjustable.

Toilet now fills up in about 1 minute and the toilet flushes much much better too.No more blockages either.

Happy Days.:D

freddyuk

Changing the flush kit (or adjusting it - which you say you couldn't) would have fixed the problem without the major stack works IMHO.Maybe the plumber wanted to get a decent days work out of the job.:rolleyes:
Still, at least you got it sorted.

paddy147

freddyuk wrote: »

Changing the flush kit (or adjusting it - which you say you couldn't) would have fixed the problem without the major stack works IMHO.Maybe the plumber wanted to get a decent days work out of the job.:rolleyes:
Still, at least you got it sorted.

Why do you just jump to conclusions,and make false statements when you didnt even see the job or problems involved.

The stack work was installed wrong,by the original plumber.:mad:

It had too many bends in it and the fall/slope of the piping (from both toilets on outwards) was also wrong too.

But I forgot,you know everything and also like to pre-judge the plumber who fixed both toilets for me and his work too.



Oh and the plumber didnt take a day at all,or charge a days wages,to fix the problems.


Regards.

Joey the lips

freddyuk wrote: »

Changing the flush kit (or adjusting it - which you say you couldn't) would have fixed the problem without the major stack works IMHO.Maybe the plumber wanted to get a decent days work out of the job.:rolleyes:
Still, at least you got it sorted.

Its a little harsh. If you follow the thread its obvious from the start that this was more than the flush kit. Its obvious having read the plumbers solution that the fall was the problem.

freddyuk

I carefully followed the post and based on the pictures provided it showed a half empty cistern. No pictures of outside plumbing were provided.
If the waste pipe was getting blocked the water would back up as it could not run away. However backing up was never mentioned as a problem. If insufficient water is in the cistern it would drain away OK but it would not take the solids with it. Hence they remain in the bowl which was exactly how the symptoms were described. So on the information provided the suggestion was to adjust or replace the flush kit to get more water into the cistern. It was even suggested (to save any wasted expense) to put a bucket of water down the pan which would either flush the solids and drain away fine or it would stay in the pan and prove there was a blockage. It assume this simple check was never done.
The fall required on a toilet waste is very small and over that distance would be virtually nothing to the second bend where it drops down.I am not sure if the new photos are before or after but there are not enough bends to cause a problem if there is enough water going down the pan in the first place. If you had all the sink and bath waste going into the same stack why were these not backing up from the "blockage"??
And I did say "in my humble opinion" ... I was not trying to make a statement of fact.
However you chose to re plumb the whole system without doing the simple cheap things first (as far as we know) So we will never know for sure will we?

paddy147

freddyuk wrote: »

I carefully followed the post and based on the pictures provided it showed a half empty cistern. No pictures of outside plumbing were provided.
If the waste pipe was getting blocked the water would back up as it could not run away. However backing up was never mentioned as a problem. If insufficient water is in the cistern it would drain away OK but it would not take the solids with it. Hence they remain in the bowl which was exactly how the symptoms were described. So on the information provided the suggestion was to adjust or replace the flush kit to get more water into the cistern. It was even suggested (to save any wasted expense) to put a bucket of water down the pan which would either flush the solids and drain away fine or it would stay in the pan and prove there was a blockage. It assume this simple check was never done.
The fall required on a toilet waste is very small and over that distance would be virtually nothing to the second bend where it drops down.I am not sure if the new photos are before or after but there are not enough bends to cause a problem if there is enough water going down the pan in the first place. If you had all the sink and bath waste going into the same stack why were these not backing up from the "blockage"??
And I did say "in my humble opinion" ... I was not trying to make a statement of fact.
However you chose to re plumb the whole system without doing the simple cheap things first (as far as we know) So we will never know for sure will we?

I forgot,you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Thats is how you can bitch on about the plumber who put it all right for me,making more work out of it and charging me a days wages.

You clearly have no idea of what was involved,you didnt see the job in the flesh,yet you seem to think that you can bitch about the plumber who fixed the problems.


Again I will state that the plumber didnt take a day to fix it,he clearly showed me the problems that he found with the pipework,on the outsidre and also under the bath access panel (pipework under bath panel was actually making water slightly flow back on itself).

The plumber even asked me if I wanted to change the "non adjustable" blue mechanisims in the toilet to fully adjustable ones that would also fill the toilet up in around a minute,compared to around 5 minutes,with the old crappy ones.

I gave him the go ahead to do this work.

And he didnt take a day to do it or charge a days wages either.

But yet again,you seem to think you know it all and can make false accusations about another plumber.

You cant just say "glad you got it fixed".

You have to have the last word and have a little bitch of a post too.

Typical internet/keyboard warrior post of yours.:rolleyes: