Pro's cheating..

Goldenjohn

Saw this in a magazine recently and was a bit disappointed or maybe I'm just naive

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/survey-finds-more-half-pga-tour-caddies-have-witnessed-cheating

Keano

The way he marks his ball, he'll turn a 23-inch putt into a 21-inch putt, which is huge psychologically.

I see plenty of amateurs do this...

Kevinmarkham

Keano A Legend wrote: »

I see plenty of amateurs do this...

My dad was a marshal at the European Open, at the K Club. He was on the par three 3rd green (now the 12th) and said he watched a pro pull off that trick... never told me which one it was though.

The_Kew_Tour

Wonder who the player is?

Jul3s

Brilliant another vague article full of hearsay and nonsense, roll on the "I know someones uncles cousins brother who did something that may or may not have been within the rules" merchants.
They live for moments like this however sad it is.

Mizuno Man

Jul3s wrote: »

Brilliant another vague article full of hearsay and nonsense, roll on the "I know someones uncles cousins brother who did something that may or may not have been within the rules" merchants.
They live for moments like this however sad it is.

Have to agree here. Of course cheating goes on, but this is just another nothing article on a slow news day I guess.

Have to laugh at the "unethical use of the rules" quote. If the rules allow it, or you can get a referee to agree that your situation falls under the rules, then there is not a single thing worng with that. Even if you are only there because you've hit a 150 yard slice and you can now drop and have a wedge to the green...

Trampas

How many times have we seen pro's in the rough and you can see the top of the ball.

Then when we goes to hit the ball you can see a lot more of the ball due to the player pressing down the grass with his club

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsioAyR9Fs

FixdePitchmark

Trampas wrote: »

How many times have we seen pro's in the rough and you can see the top of the ball.

Then when we goes to hit the ball you can see a lot more of the ball due to the player pressing down the grass with his club

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsioAyR9Fs

He does that in open view, I've a feeling he does not know it is cheating. Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think some of the pros know the rules that well.

Whyner

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

He does that in open view, I've a feeling he does not know it is cheating. Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think some of the pros know the rules that well.

I'd say he knew exactly what he was doing.

GreeBo

Whyner wrote: »

I'd say he knew exactly what he was doing.

There is no way of knowing if he pressed down the grass (illegal) or if the weight of the clubhead pressed it down (perfectly legal)

Only the player knows.

irish bloke

GreeBo wrote: »

There is no way of knowing if he pressed down the grass (illegal) or if the weight of the clubhead pressed it down (perfectly legal)

Only the player knows.

If grounding the club behind the ball is not illegal then he is doing nothing wrong and is perfectly entitled to do it.

GreeBo

irish bloke wrote: »

If grounding the club behind the ball is not illegal then he is doing nothing wrong and is perfectly entitled to do it.

You cant press anything down, but you are entitled to let the club be supported...minefield.

irish bloke

GreeBo wrote: »

You cant press anything down, but you are entitled to let the club be supported...minefield.

Minefield is right, how do you differentiate??

For me of course he knew what he was doing, but it can't be construed as cheating under the current rules

death1234567

GreeBo wrote: »

You cant press anything down, but you are entitled to let the club be supported...minefield.

Yep. You can take out your 3 wood and set it behind the ball for a minute. Then put the 3 wood back in your bag and take out an 8 iron and hit the ball with freshly patted down rough behind it. A ruling that needs to be looked at really...

Whyner

GreeBo wrote: »

There is no way of knowing if he pressed down the grass (illegal) or if the weight of the clubhead pressed it down (perfectly legal)

Only the player knows.

I suppose. Sorry Kenny, I'll buy you a cheeseburger.

I'd have to crosscheck it with his usual routine. I'd definitely quiz him.

What's Lee Trivino doing these days? He'd make an excellent rules official and have 3 balls finish in under 4 hours

Dr.Silly

quite appropriate for the week that's in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQT2kC5iMQc

staker

I thought he pulled himself up on that one? Before he handed in his card?

Dr.Silly

staker wrote: »

I thought he pulled himself up on that one? Before he handed in his card?

really ? I didn't hear that....fair play if he did

Dr.Silly

staker wrote: »

I thought he pulled himself up on that one? Before he handed in his card?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-1349159/From-hero-zero-Padraig-Harrington-disqualified-Abu-Dhabi-ball-probe-seventh-green.html

Whyner

Dr.Silly wrote: »

quite appropriate for the week that's in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQT2kC5iMQc

Who'd pull themself up on this?

staker

From that he actually thought he had done nothing wrong. Big gamble to take though and should have called in an official.

I got it wrong as regards he pulling himself up though...

Dr.Silly

Whyner wrote: »

Who'd pull themself up on this?

me

Dr.Silly

staker wrote: »

From that he actually thought he had done nothing wrong. Big gamble to take though and should have called in an official.

exactly

irish bloke

Dr.Silly wrote: »

me

For god's sake.:rolleyes:

Thats the most innocent thing i've ever seen..

They should have banned him for 5 years and gave him 50 lashes...

Trampas

Kenny knew what he was doing. Even feherty knew it. You can tell by the way his commentary goes.

PGA tour are just turning a blind eye to it

Dr.Silly

irish bloke wrote: »

For god's sake.:rolleyes:

Thats the most innocent thing i've ever seen..

They should have banned him for 5 years and gave him 50 lashes...

5 years and 50 lashes is abit extreme.

Innocent or not, it's against the rules

irish bloke

Dr.Silly wrote: »

5 years and 50 lashes is abit extreme.

Innocent or not, it's against the rules

Maybe so, but my point is, besides it being ridiculously innocent, it was not deliberate cheating and he gained zero advantage from it.

It's easy to take the high ground here and say I would call on official of a local Wednesday singles comp if I "thought" my thumb nail brushed off my ball after replacing it on the green before my 50ft downhill putt with a double break.

If he thought he moved it which I very much doubt he did, he should be allowed remark it again and replace it.

scout353

Whatever about cheating which is probably quite rare, slow play is the curse of the pro game!

They really need to address that!

A simple way would be to allocate 4 hours for a 3 ball and 3.5 hrs for a 2 ball. When the player returns his card to the recorders hut and he is outside the allocated time compared to his tee time, then he loses a shot for each 15 mins! Then you'd see them run!

They are penalised for being late to the first tee so why not for slow play!

I know of one club in Scotland where the time is marked on the card by the starter and if they exceed the allocated time for the competition they are suspended from the following week's competition.

Whyner

Dr.Silly wrote: »

me

I wouldn't and I consider myself an honest golfer.

Come and get me :pac::pac::pac:

PhilipMarlowe

irish bloke wrote: »

If he thought he moved it which I very much doubt he did, he should be allowed remark it again and replace it.

The rules allow for this. There is no penalty if you accidentally move your ball while replacing it - you merely replace it in it's original position. He thought the ball had just wobbled and not actually moved and hence didn't need to be replaced (while HD slow-mo showed otherwise) but all that has been done to death here already.

DiegoWorst

scout353 wrote: »

Whatever about cheating which is probably quite rare, slow play is the curse of the pro game!

They really need to address that!

A simple way would be to allocate 4 hours for a 3 ball and 3.5 hrs for a 2 ball. When the player returns his card to the recorders hut and he is outside the allocated time compared to his tee time, then he loses a shot for each 15 mins! Then you'd see them run!

They are penalised for being late to the first tee so why not for slow play!

I know of one club in Scotland where the time is marked on the card by the starter and if they exceed the allocated time for the competition they are suspended from the following week's competition.

This is a very good point, and slow play by the pros is having a negative influence at local club level, any measures to speed up the game would be most welcome. However, there is usually just one player in a group who is responsible for holding up the play, it's very unfair to penalise all members of a group if they were unlucky enough to be paired with a slow player.

fullstop

irish bloke wrote: »

For god's sake.:rolleyes:

Thats the most innocent thing i've ever seen..

They should have banned him for 5 years and gave him 50 lashes...

Don't take the bait. That poster with a very apt name likes to have a go at PH when he gets a chance.

k.p.h

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

The rules allow for this. There is no penalty if you accidentally move your ball while replacing it - you merely replace it in it's original position. He thought the ball had just wobbled and not actually moved and hence didn't need to be replaced (while HD slow-mo showed otherwise) but all that has been done to death here already.

Cheers for that I was just about to have a sh|t fit and punch the screen..

scout353

DiegoWorst wrote: »

This is a very good point, and slow play by the pros is having a negative influence at local club level, any measures to speed up the game would be most welcome. However, there is usually just one player in a group who is responsible for holding up the play, it's very unfair to penalise all members of a group if they were unlucky enough to be paired with a slow player.

However, collective responsibility will soon ensure that he is brought into line with his peers!

GreeBo

Whatever about slow play, what about something else thats also not related to the original topic?
:rolleyes:

New Thread please!