Drugs on the DART

Judgement Day

About 12 Noon today I was waiting at Connolly (Platform 6) for a southbound DART when two skulls jumped down from Platform 5 and crossed the tracks just in front of the train. Shortly after leaving Pearse, I noticed people moving away from where the two boyos were sitting and I could see that they were smoking something..A lady who had moved away from them sat down opposite me and told me that they were smoking heroin! On arrival at Booterstown the driver announced on the PA that the train would be delayed there pending arrival of the Gardai - needless to say the boys didn't move and the Gardai didn't arrive. At Blackrock they left of their free will and didn't seem to exit the station at which point I lost interest.

Apart from their not being apprehended, the PA announcement about the Gardai only served to heighten tension on the train - what was the point? The amount of grafitti along the DART lines, now utterly out of control, says that IE have lost the battle after dark but at 12 Noon in the day is it too much to ask that these people are prevented from 'trainspotting' amongst normal passengers? :mad:

Fukuyama

Judgement Day wrote: »

About 12 Noon today I was waiting at Connolly (Platform 6) for a southbound DART when two skulls jumped down from Platform 5 and crossed the tracks just in front of the train. Shortly after leaving Pearse, I noticed people moving away from where the two boyos were sitting and I could see that they were smoking something..A lady who had moved away from them sat down opposite me and told me that they were smoking heroin! On arrival at Booterstown the driver announced on the PA that the train would be delayed there pending arrival of the Gardai - needless to say the boys didn't move and the Gardai didn't arrive. At Blackrock they left of their free will and didn't seem to exit the station at which point I lost interest.

Apart from their not be apprehended, the PA announcement about the Gardai only served to heighten tension on the train - what was the point? The amount of grafitti along the DART lines, now utterly out of control, says that IE have lost the battle after dark but at 12 Noon in the day is it too much to ask that these people are prevented from 'trainspotting' amongst normal passengers? :mad:

Public transport.

It's the same all over the world. Infested with them. Just keep to yourself but know that you can handle yourself if anything were to happen.

foggy_lad

Judgement Day wrote: »

About 12 Noon today I was waiting at Connolly (Platform 6) for a southbound DART when two skulls jumped down from Platform 5 and crossed the tracks just in front of the train. Shortly after leaving Pearse, I noticed people moving away from where the two boyos were sitting and I could see that they were smoking something..A lady who had moved away from them sat down opposite me and told me that they were smoking heroin! On arrival at Booterstown the driver announced on the PA that the train would be delayed there pending arrival of the Gardai - needless to say the boys didn't move and the Gardai didn't arrive. At Blackrock they left of their free will and didn't seem to exit the station at which point I lost interest.

Apart from their not be apprehended, the PA announcement about the Gardai only served to heighten tension on the train - what was the point? The amount of grafitti along the DART lines, now utterly out of control, says that IE have lost the battle after dark but at 12 Noon in the day is it too much to ask that these people are prevented from 'trainspotting' amongst normal passengers? :mad:

Just as well Irish Rail stopped selling Child tickets from TVM's if this is what awaits them.

Cookie_Monster

Gotta love the dregs of Irish society, no fear at all among the scummers anywhere any more, rarely caught and even more rarely charged if they are caught. It's exactly the same on buses and the streets :mad:

Terrontress

Dean0088 wrote: »

Public transport.

It's the same all over the world. Infested with them. Just keep to yourself but know that you can handle yourself if anything were to happen.

Does it happen so frequently in London? Twice on the tube I have seen very strict security. Once a lad took a photo on the platform and immediately a voice came on and advised flash photography is forbidden.

Another time I was with a musician and he put up a sticker for his band on a wall. A lad in a tube uniform was there in a flash and told him to take it off.

I've also seen ridiculously heavy ticket checks with transport police wearing stabproof vests, handcuffs, cs spray etc. The transport police in London, in spite of their uniforms, police cars etc seem to only be concerned with checking tickets so give them a chance to come and bust a junkie they'll be flying through traffic lights, shouting in to walkie talkies and bust the heads of the junkies.

Once you move beyond the station in London you might find bother but I'd disagree that this kind of behaviour is commonplace or to be expected on public transport in a civilised society.

One time I was on a DART to Malahide and noticed a needle sticking up from between the seats. It had a cap on it but who'd know what a kid might do.

At the next stop I rushed up and told the driver after telling some others on the train not let anyone sit there. I thought he would evacuate and isolate the carriage. This was 8pmish on a Friday night. He just agreed it was shocking and said there are junkies all the time. I got off at Malahide, waited for the train to Donabate. The driver just headed back toward the town while a new set of passengers got on to that carriage.

Run_to_da_hills

I witnessed two skangers "chasing the dragon" in blatent view of passengers on a north bound 8100 Dart. They were reported and apprehended by rail security at Booterstown and booted off the front section. Before the train pulled off they managed to get back into the rear section and play cat and mouse with security. They were booted off again at Lansdown Road. The Least IR could do with these cases is hand over any CCTV footage to Gardai.

dfx-

Dean0088 wrote: »

Public transport.

It's the same all over the world. Infested with them. Just keep to yourself but know that you can handle yourself if anything were to happen.

Never seen anything like it in Munich.

Mr Simpson

Just yet another argument for forming a dedicated transport police, or at least a unit of the Guards dedicated to Public Transport, unfortunately there seems to be no political will or funding for such.

Lumbo

Don't use the DART very often. Terrible to hear the scum have ruined that as well.

Anyway's, I did use the DART last summer. When I was waiting on the DART in Pearce Street Station a man sitting beside me, who was dressed normally and had a brief case, rolled up a cigarette and started to smoke it. Station security told him to put it out, he said he didn't realise (despite there being plenty of signs) but he did apologise. So the security walk off, he opens his brief case, takes out a large bottle of Listerine and drinks back lots of it (swallows it as well).

Needless to say when the DART came I got on another carriage.

foggy_lad

mmcn90 wrote: »

Just yet another argument for forming a dedicated transport police, or at least a unit of the Guards dedicated to Public Transport, unfortunately there seems to be no political will or funding for such.

Who is going to pay for that though? we can't afford the few Guards we have left! corporal punishment for minor offences should be considered!

Terrontress

Lumbo wrote: »

Don't use the DART very often. Terrible to hear the scum have ruined that as well.

Anyway's, I did use the DART last summer. When I was waiting on the DART in Pearce Street Station a man sitting beside me, who was dressed normally and had a brief case, rolled up a cigarette and started to smoke it. Station security told him to put it out, he said he didn't realise (despite there being plenty of signs) but he did apologise. So the security walk off, he opens his brief case, takes out a large bottle of Listerine and drinks back lots of it (swallows it as well).

Needless to say when the DART came I got on another carriage.

Pure Alco. They love the Listerine. Although nobody is going to get HIV after being scratched by the empty Listerine bottle.

Lumbo

Terrontress wrote: »

Pure Alco. They love the Listerine. Although nobody is going to get HIV after being scratched by the empty Listerine bottle.

They were drinking the mint flavored type. A Canadian Police Officer told me the popular stuff is the original. For some reason it's stronger.

Terrontress

foggy_lad wrote: »

mmcn90 wrote: »

Just yet another argument for forming a dedicated transport police, or at least a unit of the Guards dedicated to Public Transport, unfortunately there seems to be no political will or funding for such.

Who is going to pay for that though? we can't afford the few Guards we have left! corporal punishment for minor offences should be considered!

In the UK, transport police are paid for by the transport company so, ultimately it's going to be the travelling public.

A reduction in fare evasion and vandalism, increased usage due to people feeling safe and diverting the money spent on private rail security would all make savings which would contribute toward paying for transport police.

Mr Simpson

foggy_lad wrote: »

Who is going to pay for that though? we can't afford the few Guards we have left! corporal punishment for minor offences should be considered!

Maybe Irish Rail and Veolia could at least partly fund it, rather than paying STT, who seem to have absolutely no power whatsoever.

n97 mini

Public transport and the gardaí. Like oil and water it seems.

KTRIC

dfx- wrote: »

Never seen anything like it in Munich.

Neither did I , although I did see the Polizei shooting a dealer then questioning him.

Cookie_Monster

mmcn90 wrote: »

Just yet another argument for forming a dedicated transport police, or at least a unit of the Guards dedicated to Public Transport, unfortunately there seems to be no political will or funding for such.

Exactly. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The traffic corp should be rebranded as transport police, and be responsible for all form of transport not just the the odd speed trap and motor tax check.

A visible presense would make a huge difference IMO, two or threee Gardai patrolling the suburban lines a day in addition to rail security would be a good start and another couple at / around major bus stops in the CC

Mr Simpson

I'm not sure it should fall under the remit of the traffic corp tbh. Personally I feel a few Gardai should be assigned to a dedicated unit, both Uniformed and Plain Clothes, which should be at least partly (preferably wholly) funded by Irish Rail and Veolia.

foggy_lad

mmcn90 wrote: »

I'm not sure it should fall under the remit of the traffic corp tbh. Personally I feel a few Gardai should be assigned to a dedicated unit, both Uniformed and Plain Clothes, which should be at least partly (preferably wholly) funded by Irish Rail and Veolia.

but where are those "few" gardai going to be taken from? will they come from some of the one guard rural stations or the seriously understaffed urban stations?

Veolia won't pay any more than they have to as has been shown in the past. when the Roma revolt happened there was hardly a tram without an STT hit squad but after a week they were again thin on trhe ground! veolia will only pay for security when the publicity has a negative impact on their takings!

Fandango

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Exactly. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The traffic corp should be rebranded as transport police, and be responsible for all form of transport not just the the odd speed trap and motor tax check.

A visible presense would make a huge difference IMO, two or threee Gardai patrolling the suburban lines a day in addition to rail security would be a good start and another couple at / around major bus stops in the CC

Catch a legitimate person speeding, you are 95% certain the fines will be paid.

Catch a 16 year old piece of scum smoking heroin on the dart, chances are he has no fixed address, he will take up alot of police time and money and end up with a slap on the wrist.

Thats why it will never happen.

Mr Simpson

foggy_lad wrote: »

but where are those "few" gardai going to be taken from? will they come from some of the one guard rural stations or the seriously understaffed urban stations?

Veolia won't pay any more than they have to as has been shown in the past. when the Roma revolt happened there was hardly a tram without an STT hit squad but after a week they were again thin on trhe ground! veolia will only pay for security when the publicity has a negative impact on their takings!

I should have put "In an Ideal world" at the start, believe me I'm well aware of the staff shortages in an Garda Siochana, but we really need some source of enforcement, maybe form a transit police, funded by Veolia and Irish Rail, policing using bye laws, similar to Airport Police, its not ideal though. Unfortunately all of this should have been done when rhe country had money, rather than now.

dfx-

KTRIC wrote: »

Neither did I , although I did see the Polizei shooting a dealer then questioning him.

S-bahn, U-bahn or trams? Nothing gets in the way of a U3 or U6 train when there's a match at Frottmaning/Allianz Arena, not even a strike or a Bono concert in the olympiapark :pac:

KTRIC

dfx- wrote: »

S-bahn, U-bahn or trams? Nothing gets in the way of a U3 or U6 train when there's a match at Frottmaning/Allianz Arena, not even a strike or a Bono concert in the olympiapark :pac:

It was at the Harras station, guy was on his knees, getting searched and thought it might be a good idea to get up, lets just say that tiled wall came in handy.

Zero tollerance is the strongest tool in the battle against drug use.

Terrontress

KTRIC wrote: »

dfx- wrote: »

S-bahn, U-bahn or trams? Nothing gets in the way of a U3 or U6 train when there's a match at Frottmaning/Allianz Arena, not even a strike or a Bono concert in the olympiapark :pac:

It was at the Harras station, guy was on his knees, getting searched and thought it might be a good idea to get up, lets just say that tiled wall came in handy.

Zero tollerance is the strongest tool in the battle against drug use.

I am not really sure I understand what you are saying. Did the police shoot a drug dealer as in the commonly understood meaning of the word? And what sort of questioning were they able to do afterwards? What happened to the tiled wall?

I know that the Metropolitan Police did just that in Stockwell to Jean Charles de Menezes but I thought the Germans would know better than that.

ArmaniJeanss

KTRIC,

Just to clarify.

You, and presumably other commuters, were witnesses to the German police shooting a suspected drug dealer on a platform. The aforementioned suspect being on his knees at the time?

KTRIC

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

KTRIC,

Just to clarify.

You, and presumably other commuters, were witnesses to the German police shooting a suspected drug dealer on a platform. The aforementioned suspect being on his knees at the time?

No, the drug dealer, who was on his knees whilst being searched was shot when he got up and tried to run. Just to clarify :rolleyes:

Terrontress

KTRIC wrote: »

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

KTRIC,

Just to clarify.

You, and presumably other commuters, were witnesses to the German police shooting a suspected drug dealer on a platform. The aforementioned suspect being on his knees at the time?

No, the drug dealer, who was on his knees whilst being searched was shot when he got up and tried to run. Just to clarify :rolleyes:

I would be furious if I had been in the same situation as you. A discharged firearm in a public place, in my presence, due to drugs offences! I could understand if he had been going to kill someone else instantly. Drug dealers tend to kill people over several years.

I have found German police, particularly in Bayern, to be very stern when dealing with them but that is just ridiculous.

monument

Fandango wrote: »

Catch a legitimate person speeding, you are 95% certain the fines will be paid.

Catch a 16 year old piece of scum smoking heroin on the dart, chances are he has no fixed address, he will take up alot of police time and money and end up with a slap on the wrist.

Thats why it will never happen.

One is legitimate because they are breaking the law in different way? Or is it their dress, or accent that makes it better?

And you think it's 95% certain a speeding fine will be paid?

KTRIC

Terrontress wrote: »

I would be furious if I had been in the same situation as you. A discharged firearm in a public place, in my presence, due to drugs offences! I could understand if he had been going to kill someone else instantly. Drug dealers tend to kill people over several years.

I have found German police, particularly in Bayern, to be very stern when dealing with them but that is just ridiculous.

He wasn't killed, they don't do that I'm told, shoot to wound is their target. Didn't phase me what so ever. I commend their zero tollerance policy to drugs in Bayern and because of it Munich has one of the lowest crime rates in the EU.

I had some dealings with the Polizei when I lived there and found them fair, straight laced, courtious and did everything by the book. Unlike our own Gardai I'm sad to say.

ArmaniJeanss

KTRIC wrote: »

I had some dealings with the Polizei when I lived there and found them fair, straight laced, courtious and did everything by the book.

Slightly incompetent though?

They (at least two of them?) had a suspect on his knees and yet weren't able to prevent that person standing up and starting to run.
Rather than chasing this suspect they instead shot him, despite the presence of other people in the near vicinity and a concrete wall just perfect for ricocheting a bullet around a compact area. Not to mention the panic a gunshot is likely to cause in a subway station.

It seems a slightly dubious tale, no?

Terrontress

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

KTRIC wrote: »

I had some dealings with the Polizei when I lived there and found them fair, straight laced, courtious and did everything by the book.

Slightly incompetent though?

They (at least two of them?) had a suspect on his knees and yet weren't able to prevent that person standing up and starting to run.
Rather than chasing this suspect they instead shot him, despite the presence of other people in the near vicinity and a concrete wall just perfect for ricocheting a bullet around a compact area. Not to mention the panic a gunshot is likely to cause in a subway station.

It seems a slightly dubious tale, no?

I'm trying to work out what it is he is saying.

As far as I am aware, armed Gardai are trained to aim for the torso when shooting as it is the largest, least mobile part of the body. I would imagine that this is standard policing as it makes sense. But I can't see how this is done to wound only or how you could question him after.

Unless it is a taser they shot him with.

bk

I find this story very hard to believe.

If two policemen can't control a handcuffed kneeling suspect, then they are incompetent.

Even if such a suspect got up, they certainly wouldn't shot him, not in a public place like this and not when he is handcuffed and not going far anyway. They would use a range of non lethal tools such as batons, cs gas, etc. Assuming they couldn't just do it by hand.

Also almost no police force in the world is trained to "shoot to injure" like you see in the movies. They aren't necessarily trained to shoot to kill either, rather they are trained to shoot to the upper torso as it is the largest target and the easiest part to hit, thus the least likely to miss (maybe hitting some one else) and least likely for the bullet to leave the body (as might happen hitting a hand or leg, thus maybe hitting some one else). This may or may not kill the suspect, but it will stop them.

Perhaps they shot him with teaser, this might be believable then.

However even using teaser in this situation would be slightly dubious. You should really be able to physically restrain such a suspect.

dfx-

Terrontress wrote: »

I would be furious if I had been in the same situation as you. A discharged firearm in a public place, in my presence, due to drugs offences! I could understand if he had been going to kill someone else instantly. Drug dealers tend to kill people over several years.

I have found German police, particularly in Bayern, to be very stern when dealing with them but that is just ridiculous.

I doubt anyone would even turn and glance at the sound unless it was right beside them. Fairly standard gloomy station at the best of times.

Not quite the same as Mr Menezes as such.

KTRIC

dfx- wrote: »

I doubt anyone would even turn and glance at the sound unless it was right beside them. Fairly standard gloomy station at the best of times.

Not quite the same as Mr Menezes as such.

It was in the entrance tunnel coming off the Supermarket early in the morning. I never said where they shot him on the body, it was actually a leg shot if you must know.

I love the way people jump to conclusions here and use those conclusions to determine if a story is realistic or not.

I know what I seen, I really don't give a flying f*ck what you guys think.

Also had 4 cops rush me with guns drawn in broad daylight on Maximillian Strasse in Munich on a summers day. Do you want proof, sorry I don't have any..... :rolleyes:

starviewadams

Wanting a specialised Garda unit to be formed out of thin air to arrest drug addicts who would be at most in posession of a tiny amount of drugs for personal use is very unrealistic and an extreme waste of scarce public money.

The arresting member(s) would be off the street for hours processing the prisoner,the prisoner if a drug addict,would have to be seen by a doctor,the prisoner would also quite likely qulaify for free legal aid too and the Gardai would have to send the drugs for analysis aswell,which is costly.And in the end the offender would most probably end up with either a small fine or a caution,after clogging up the courts system too that is.

There's no easy solution to the problem though,well there is actually,but there's no political will to even broach that subject.

The things that would reduce the problems in the short term would be to move addiction treatment services out of the City Centre,and for the transport company's to employ their own security teams who would operate a zero tolerance policy in regards to anti-social behaviour on their services,whereby the offending passengers could be removed by the security teams without the assistance of AGS.

But even that will never happen due to the cost of employing the aforementioned security teams,and the matter of liabilty when someone who is removed from a service inevitably gets injured,or worse.

Oliver1985

They are everywhere you go in Dublin the junkies Dart Luas and especially the boardwalk.
Sure its a great life free travel, house, medical card and a couple of hundred a week for tinnies and drugs. Anytime anyone mentions them the do gooders come out in force "oh but the poor lad is from a rough area" :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

clever_name

bk wrote: »

I find this story very hard to believe.

If two policemen can't control a handcuffed kneeling suspect, then they are incompetent.

I would disagree, for a start we do not know if the police involved knew the suspect, lets imagine the suspect was known to be carrying an infectious disease and had bitten police in the past (it happens) should the police have tussled with him?

bk wrote: »

Even if such a suspect got up, they certainly wouldn't shot him, not in a public place like this and not when he is handcuffed and not going far anyway. They would use a range of non lethal tools such as batons, cs gas, etc. Assuming they couldn't just do it by hand.

lots of assumptions, did they have less lethal options available?

Also the suspect is going as far as they can until they are stopped so this is not a valid point imo.

bk wrote: »

However even using teaser in this situation would be slightly dubious. You should really be able to physically restrain such a suspect.

Would you restrain a person with, for example, a history of spitting while claiming to have an infectious disease? would you try to physically restrain someone who you knew had overpowered police in the past?

I have no idea if either of these things occurred and also neither do you, so saying the police are incompetent or saying that a taser should have been used is unfair and presumes a level of knowledge of the circumstances that is unavailable.

Terrontress

starviewadams wrote: »

Wanting a specialised Garda unit to be formed out of thin air to arrest drug addicts who would be at most in posession of a tiny amount of drugs for personal use is very unrealistic and an extreme waste of scarce public money.

The arresting member(s) would be off the street for hours processing the prisoner,the prisoner if a drug addict,would have to be seen by a doctor,the prisoner would also quite likely qulaify for free legal aid too and the Gardai would have to send the drugs for analysis aswell,which is costly.And in the end the offender would most probably end up with either a small fine or a caution,after clogging up the courts system too that is.

There's no easy solution to the problem though,well there is actually,but there's no political will to even broach that subject.

The things that would reduce the problems in the short term would be to move addiction treatment services out of the City Centre,and for the transport company's to employ their own security teams who would operate a zero tolerance policy in regards to anti-social behaviour on their services,whereby the offending passengers could be removed by the security teams without the assistance of AGS.

But even that will never happen due to the cost of employing the aforementioned security teams,and the matter of liabilty when someone who is removed from a service inevitably gets injured,or worse.

I don't think the idea is taking them off the street. It's that they are on public transport, or responding to public transport issues, full time. They'd have the same powers of arrest as a normal Garda while on public transport or the facilities of public transport providers. When away from these areas they would have reduced responsibilities toward crime they come upon.

Terrontress

KTRIC wrote: »

dfx- wrote: »

I doubt anyone would even turn and glance at the sound unless it was right beside them. Fairly standard gloomy station at the best of times.

Not quite the same as Mr Menezes as such.

It was in the entrance tunnel coming off the Supermarket early in the morning. I never said where they shot him on the body, it was actually a leg shot if you must know.

I love the way people jump to conclusions here and use those conclusions to determine if a story is realistic or not.

I know what I seen, I really don't give a flying f*ck what you guys think.

Also had 4 cops rush me with guns drawn in broad daylight on Maximillian Strasse in Munich on a summers day. Do you want proof, sorry I don't have any..... :rolleyes:

I believe you as much as I believe anyone saying anything on boards. It is a fairly obscure story to make up.

JayRoc

Oliver1985 wrote: »

They are everywhere you go in Dublin the junkies Dart Luas and especially the boardwalk.
Sure its a great life free travel, house, medical card and a couple of hundred a week for tinnies and drugs. Anytime anyone mentions them the do gooders come out in force "oh but the poor lad is from a rough area" :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Twaddle. Sounds like you read too much of the Daily Star.
Most junkies aren't much better than animals, you'll get no argument from me on that, but you're being disingenuous; you don't really believe "it's a great life".

If you did, presumably, you'd pop along to your nearest dealer and begin life on the gear yourself, no?

An Udaras

mmcn90 wrote: »

I should have put "In an Ideal world" at the start, believe me I'm well aware of the staff shortages in an Garda Siochana, but we really need some source of enforcement, maybe form a transit police, funded by Veolia and Irish Rail, policing using bye laws, similar to Airport Police, its not ideal though. Unfortunately all of this should have been done when rhe country had money, rather than now.

With all due respect, the infrastructure of Ireland urban railways definitely deserves and would benefit from a similar police service to that of what the state airport receive from their Airport Police Service stationed in each of them.

A British Transport Police PC will generally enforce the provisions of their railway byelaws more so then frequently arresting people for murders or other serious crimes. Their role like what Ireland's Airport Police is to police specific infrastructure and respond to crime and make sure that it is generally safe & secure for the public to use.

The Gardai & its management have zero to no interest in policing specific/specialised infrastructure and this had been made clear recently when Dublin Port Company requested increased Garda patrols and road traffic enforcement on the port campus this is replace the former Harbour Police functions. The Gardai basically responded with a polite NO to the above as resources where not available or likely to be in the future.

Just as a point of note and not wanting to drag the thread off topic but the low level of crime in general and drug use in the state airports is down to effective policing methods and use of intelligence led operations. The Airport Police have operated many joint operations with Revenue Customs in the airport dealing with persons in possession of a controlled drug as per Section 2 of Misuse of Drugs Act 1977 which is an offence in itself to be in the pocession of the above under the Airport Byelaws. Successful prosecutions and arrests have been made during the enforcement of the Byelaws in this regard by the Airport Police.

The above kind of high profile/proactive operations could definitely benefit Dart users and deter drug use on board or in stations.

Strong Legislation already exists for Irish Rail to appoint it's own Authorised Officers who have police powers and Irish Rail could easily set up its own "Irish Rail Transport Police" which would be a similar police force to the Airport Police. All that would be required would be a enough will, investment and time... Now I'm probably dreaming

wilkie2006

Judgement Day wrote: »

A lady who had moved away from them sat down opposite me and told me that they were smoking heroin!

I absolutely agree that this kind of antisocial behaviour should be penalised but are you sure it was heroin?! I mean, that does sound a bit like an Irish mammy's hysterical reaction to a joint or something.

Whatever it was, IR need to have a greater presence on the trains, even if that means an increased fare. I live in London and, aside from people with the odd can, there's very little of this type of thing happening.

An Udaras

wilkie2006 wrote: »

I absolutely agree that this kind of antisocial behaviour should be penalised but are you sure it was heroin?! I mean, that does sound a bit like an Irish mammy's hysterical reaction to a joint or something.

Whatever it was, IR need to have a greater presence on the trains, even if that means an increased fare. I live in London and, aside from people with the odd can, there's very little of this type of thing happening.

Am increased fare for us when the drug users where probably traveling on a free Travel pass I kid I kid...

wilkie2006

An Udaras wrote: »

Am increased fare for us when the drug users where probably traveling on a free Travel pass I kid I kid...

Restricting/confiscating travel passes doesn't solve anything (if indeed travel passes are actually freely available); people would just jump over the barriers. As unpalatable as an increased fare sounds, I can't see how else the problem can be solved. Policing - whether a private company or the Garda - costs money.

An Udaras

Private company? I meant a state owned company such as Irish Rail.

The likes of private security guards like STT are not the answer fully trained and empowered police officers are part of it.. but yes it will incur a large expense setting up and maintaining even a small modern dedicated railways police.

davidod

foggy_lad wrote: »

Who is going to pay for that though? we can't afford the few Guards we have left! corporal punishment for minor offences should be considered!

love the hang em high brigade, so unintentionally funny, thankfully you are generally too stupid to be dangerous............:rolleyes:

foggy_lad

davidod wrote: »

love the hang em high brigade, so unintentionally funny, thankfully you are generally too stupid to be dangerous............:rolleyes:

Corporal not capital! As in caning the offenders instead of throwing money we don't have at them, there is always the option of public ridicule where they could be put on display in stocks maybe on a Saturday or Sunday in their local town.

admiralofthefleet

i witnessed 3 blokes drinking, smoking hash and doing lines of coke off the table on the rosslare train last week. i was shocked and what made it worse was i had my baby son with me and they didnt care about the air he was breathing.

i didnt say anything as i was afraid they might have something on them as they were talking about just being released from prison

Judgement Day

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

i witnessed 3 blokes drinking, smoking hash and doing lines of coke off the table on the rosslare train last week. i was shocked and what made it worse was i had my baby son with me and they didnt care about the air he was breathing.

i didnt say anything as i was afraid they might have something on them as they were talking about just being released from prison

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Dick Fearn,
CEO,
Iarnród Éireann
Connolly Station
Dublin 1

BenShermin

The anti socia.......

..I mean SCUM BAG behaviour on that route is another reason for me using Bus Éireann services to the sunny south east instead. It gets worse in the Summer when the urbanites become one with rural-land via a Dublin to Gorey monthly return, 24 cans of pisswater and twenty blue.

saa

Typical DORT user try using the Luas Red line regularly people using drugs on it is the least of my worries :P