Parents forced to reveal child's sex

cruais

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/couple-finally-reveals-childs-gender-five-years-birth-180300388.html

Remember this story a few years ago?

Seriously... Talk about setting the child up for bullying making him wear a girls blouse with his school uniform.

We all know how kids are cruel!

galwayrush

The parents deserve to be bullied...:pac:

AngryBollix

Big it up for the cross dressers

Temptamperu

"we dont want to put him in a box" Are these people for real? Fair enough let the kid wear what he wants but im afraid there is no escaping that box you f**king idiots.

I really despair over some people.

brummytom

If he's got a penis, he shouldn't be wearing girls clothes.


'Oh, we don't want him adhering to stereotypes'. No, you want publicity for raising a freak. Grow up.

Overheal

Sasha dresses in clothes he likes -- be it a hand-me-downs from his sister or his brother. The big no-no's are hyper-masculine outfits like skull-print shirts and cargo pants. In one photo, sent to friends and family, Sasha's dressed in a shiny pink girl's swimsuit. "Children like sparkly things," says Beck. "And if someone thought Sasha was a girl because he was wearing a pink swimming costume, then what effect would that have? "

Sasha's also not short on dolls, though Barbie is also off limits. "She's banned because she's horrible," Laxton says in the Cambridge interview.

On a macro level she hopes her son sets an example for other parents and makes them reconsider buying their own sons trucks or forcing their daughters into tights. She's seen how those consumer trappings affect how and who kids play with in the sandbox.

How dare parents 'force' kids into wearing pants and liking barbie dolls. We should force all of our children to cross dress instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abWi8RiR7FU

Sinfonia

Why are cargo pants a 'big no-no'?

Also, Sasha doesn't seem very gender-neutral to me. Could've at least called him Alex.

Dudess

Hyper-masculine (and how hyper-masculine can clothing for a small boy actually be?) clothes a no-no, and sparkly clothing and dolls encouraged? Seems like the parents are imposing femininity on him despite claiming to raise him as gender-neutral.

tinkerbell

I was shocked when I read this story yesterday, it's absolutely ridiculous. Those parents should have that kid taken off them, they have no idea of how to raise a child. They didn't want to stereotype the kid but yet they dressed him up in a ballerina's tutu?! Like WTF? They are completely contradicting the whole "gender-neutral" thing by blantantly dressing him up in girls clothes. That poor kid is gonna have serious identity issues as he grows older.

And eh I always thought Sasha was a GIRL's name, not a boy's name. Sounds to me like those parents really wanted a girl, but got a boy. So they did as much as they could to make the kid seem like a girl, so called him a girl's name and disguised the dressing him up in girl's clothes and playing with dolls as being gender-neutral. Yeah, you ain't fooling anyone. Stupid idiot parents.

Overheal

Dudess wrote: »

Hyper-masculine (and how hyper-masculine can clothing for a small boy actually be?) clothes a no-no, and sparkly clothing and dolls encouraged? Seems like the parents are imposing femininity on him despite claiming to raise him as gender-neutral.

They wanted a girl, got a boy, and pretended he was a girl. Basically. Whole thing stinks.

Dudess

I know a guy all right whose son is called Sasha, but it strikes me as a very girlie name and I reckon the kid would get grief for it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Why are we still condoning bullying here?

"We cant do this because the kid will be bullying!"?

In other words, bullying is present and acceptable, all we can do is confrom to it...?

RachaelVO

I thought they were weirdos then, and I pretty much haven't changed that opinion! Pair of Morons!

PK2008

Temptamperu wrote: »

"we dont want to put him in a box" Are these people for real? Fair enough let the kid wear what he wants but im afraid there is no escaping that box you f**king idiots.

I really despair over some people.

I have a feeling he will find it difficult to get into any box after this

Mr. Presentable

Dudess wrote: »

I know a guy all right whose son is called Sasha, but it strikes me as a very girlie name and I reckon the kid would get grief for it.

Sasha is a masculine gender name. Russian, I believe. I find it odd when people give the name to their daughter.

cruais

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Why are we still condoning bullying here?

"We cant do this because the kid will be bullying!"?

In other words, bullying is present and acceptable, all we can do is confrom to it...?

Think about it tho. Children can be very cruel and that little boys parents are just attention seeking knobs!

Pherekydes

brummytom wrote: »

If he's got a penis, he shouldn't be wearing girls clothes.

And girls should only wear dresses.

Dudess

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Why are we still condoning bullying here?

"We cant do this because the kid will be bullying!"?

In other words, bullying is present and acceptable, all we can do is confrom to it...?

Unfair to use a child to make a point though - not an appropriate method of tackling accepted norms IMO. The kid's a boy - to hide that biological fact from him is ****ed up IMO. Otherwise let him discover what he enjoys himself - and if that's glittery nail-varnish, more power to him - but using him for a social experiment is appalling.

gurramok

Dudess wrote: »

Hyper-masculine (and how hyper-masculine can clothing for a small boy actually be?) clothes a no-no, and sparkly clothing and dolls encouraged? Seems like the parents are imposing femininity on him despite claiming to raise him as gender-neutral.

How is sparkly clothing feminine as you put it? Did you tell the male ice skaters on Dancing On Ice about that?

The issue is with societies bullying on what is stereotyping rather than what the individual is wearing.

tinkerbell wrote:

And eh I always thought Sasha was a GIRL's name, not a boy's name.

I worked with a bloke called Sasha before, its quite a common name in Ireland and Euroland for blokes.

Dudess

Sparkly clothing is still feminine - the ice skating guys are just wearing a costume, doubtful they'd wear a sequinned t-shirt and jeans to the pub.
Maybe associating it with femininity is a social construct - probably is.

pablomakaveli

This is just another story that shows that some people shouldn't be allowed have kids.

Fair enough if the parents think forcing a "gender identity" on their child is wrong but is forcing the child to grow up gender neutral any better? Treating their child like a lab rat for a social experiment is is pretty cruel.

lemme

"c'mon baby, lift your big ass for sasha"

Sasha and Digweed too

gurramok

Dudess wrote: »

Sparkly clothing is still feminine - the ice skating guys are just wearing a costume, doubtful they'd wear a sequenced t-shirt and jeans to the pub.
Maybe associating it with femininity is a social construct - probably is.

Perhaps some would if it was allowed? It reminds me of the idiot on a bus before who gave me abuse for having long hair as a man, he had it is his thick head that only men should have short hair and women only long hair. I did point out you're one baldy muppet who hadn't got the balls to grow any hair

Social construct sounds right, we have to abide by what society says is 'normal' for both men and women.

saa

Pherekydes wrote: »

And girls should only wear dresses.

Skirts are okay though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjK0kurC59M

Lets stop prescribing what everyone else wears cough cough parents of that child, yeah.

GLaDOS

Sparkly clothes are is just as feminine as " skull-print shirts and cargo pants" are masculine imo. Possibly even more so, plenty of women's tshirts etc have skull print? Banning one and not the other is ridiculous.

Agree with the opinion that they just wanted a girl and therefore this was a bit messed up.

Mardy Bum

Freud would have a field day with this kid.

Havermeyer

Sinfonia wrote: »

Why are cargo pants a 'big no-no'?

"No cargo pants for you 'infant', they're too masculine. How about a gender neutral pink sparkly swimsuit?"

Seriously, what the fuuuuuuuuuuu...........

I blame violent video games.

birdlake

Read this article elsewhere earlier...am baffled that these parents allow pink swimsuits but not skull shirts or cargo pants If he survives childhood with these idiots as parents, the rest of his life should be a doddle!

strobe

Poor kid. The parents are full of shit, hypocritical, attention seeking cunts.

Sad situation.

IsaacWunder

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Freud would have a field day with the parents.

FYP

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

cruais wrote: »

Think about it tho. Children can be very cruel and that little boys parents are just attention seeking knobs!

Children are cruel because chidlren being cruel is tolerated. Agree with the scond part.

Dudess wrote: »

Unfair to use a child to make a point though - not an appropriate method of tackling accepted norms IMO. The kid's a boy - to hide that biological fact from him is ****ed up IMO. Otherwise let him discover what he enjoys himself - and if that's glittery nail-varnish, more power to him - but using him for a social experiment is appalling.

Oh, absoluely. But I was just commenting on the the issue of the possibility of bullying. Poor kid's getting it from both sides here, unless he does actually want to wear the stuff. But while people are condemning the parents attitudes, their accepting the playground's.

Annasopra

I don't see a problem with raising children in a gender neutral way

yawha

mango salsa wrote: »

I don't see a problem with raising children in a gender neutral way

Neither do I. I think the issue here is that, at least from reading that article, it seems a little like the parents attempted to push him towards things society regards as feminine. It is a poorly written article in general though. For example, it's hard to discern from the article whether or not "hyper-masculine" clothing was not preferred by the child or if the parents banned it. The way it's written it appears to be the latter.

tempura

Oh ffs, this kind of wanky parenting drives me insane.

Im sure mam and dad will start getting with the programme when young sasha arrives home from school with his tofu sandwich mashed into his face and a black eye.

kupus

You can only be so open-minded before your brains fall out.

Poor kid is in for a lifetime of ridicule. Seriously somebody somewhere just.....ah I give up,
maybe our alien overlords will do a better job next time round.

Show Time

You need a licence for a dog but any pair of idiots can raise a child.

gbee

I don't know the parents in this case.

I do understand the Psychology and it's fine, it should be accompanied by no Santa and no religion too.

However, I suspect one of the parents just wanted another girl.

pickarooney

I've never met a female Sasha. All the ones I know are boys. Then again, Sasha is a diminutive of Alexander so it might work for Alexandra as well.

Dudess

mango salsa wrote: »

I don't see a problem with raising children in a gender neutral way

I don't think a child's biological make-up should be denied to them, but otherwise, let them express themselves in whatever way they wish. Clearly these parents aren't raising the child in a gender-neutral way though.

Logical Fallacy

Dudess wrote: »

I don't think a child's biological make-up should be denied to them, but otherwise, let them express themselves in whatever way they wish. Clearly these parents aren't raising the child in a gender-neutral way though.

Exactly, there is still a lot of influence coming down from the parents, who are not raising their child in a gender neutral way at all...but rather are adopting the term "gender neutral" to hide the fact that they don't want certain things influencing their child.

The fact that their are clothes they do not want him to wear, toys they do not want him to play with and the fact that they told close family members the sex means they will , subconciously, be treating him as they would any other boy.

This child is not being raised gender neutral because to do that you need to be completely beyond the concept of gender based social constructs and these parents are obviously mired in them up to their eyeballs.

Good money says if the child was born a girl then she would be allowed to wear cargo pants and t-shirts with skulls on them...as they child is born a boy any desire to do so would appear to masculine to the parents.

Pile of ****.

Jumpy

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Sasha is a masculine gender name. Russian, I believe. I find it odd when people give the name to their daughter.

Oh my god ... who touched Sasha? WHO TOUCHED MY GUN?!

juan.kerr

Sounds like they wanted a girl and are working through a plan to get the kid to request a sex change, possibly fincanced by the state?

Paddy Cow

gurramok wrote: »

I worked with a bloke called Sasha before, its quite a common name in Ireland and Euroland for blokes.

I've only met one Sasha in Ireland. I work with two russian guys who were both called Alexander. One got called Alex and the other Sasha.

Yahew

gbee wrote: »

I don't know the parents in this case.

I do understand the Psychology and it's fine, it should be accompanied by no Santa and no religion too.

However, I suspect one of the parents just wanted another girl.

Human's like all other mammals have pre-programmed sexual differences. There are sometimes cultural amplifications of this - as humans have culture to a much larger extent than any other primates - but, like every single animal in nature we have significant sexual differences at birth. Humans do not come into the world gender neutral.

SeanW

This is the most ****ed up thing I've ever read!

This poor child should be taken from his stratospherically deranged and insane parents. And renamed a very manly name. And given lots of Tonka trucks, toy guns and hard rock T-Shirts.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SeanW wrote: »

This is the most ****ed up thing I've ever read!

This poor child should be taken from his stratospherically deranged and insane parents. And renamed a very manly name. And given lots of Tonka trucks, toy guns and hard rock T-Shirts.

Playing devil's advocate a bit, here, I know, but... isn't that also forcing a gneder-identiy...?

Irish Guitarist

I love how they say they let him wear whatever he likes except for masculine clothes like cargo pants (which aren't even that masculine, plenty of girls wear them).

When I was about fifteen I bought a t-shirt with a picture of a silver peacock on it. I really liked it but my sisters said it looked too feminine. I went back and exchanged it for a Carter The Unstoppable Sex Machine t-shirt with a picture of a smiling penis.

juan.kerr

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate a bit, here, I know, but... isn't that also forcing a gneder-identiy...?

I think you missed the posters point...he means this to help reverse the damage already done.

saa

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate a bit, here, I know, but... isn't that also forcing a gneder-identiy...?

I think it is, I'm not buying it as it seems like they decided what he would be allowed to wear for the rest of his childhood well before he could walk, just as bad imo.
The kid is wearing dresses, "girly" colours and beads from his older sister, so they let her "choose" hmmm they seem a bit too proactive to let this happen.
anywho..
What happened to putting children in gender neutral clothes, it used to be a mad colourful jumper, cotton t shirt and some cords or shorts and little runners, the problem is today that childrens clothes are just miniature adult fashions even so you can teach your child about gender issues without doing this, some little boys will go towards wanting more feminine clothes that's not for the parents to decide or overly influence

Neeson

He wore a girl's swimsuit, but would there not be a bulge where his balls are?

El Siglo

The best comment made on that article:

A good parent is one you don't need to recover from.

They're fucking idiots, this is as bad as that Canadian couple that had a child called "Storm" and were raising 'it' as gender neutral.