Want to get vertical line down my chest.

Fantomas9mm

Folks.

Bit of a newbie still when it comes to body building and training.

I really want to get a vertical line down from the bottom of my neck, down the centre of my pecs and abs down. I really i am looking for a square chest if that makes sense. Square lower pecs rather than round if ya get me.

My ideal physique would be something like the below(no homo)



Can anybody recommend me anything i should be doing to get the vertical line and square chest look.

Sorry now, i hate to be a total newb but if you could post youtube vids demonstrating the exercises you mean then it would help me greatly.
Still not sure what everything is called.

Brian?

You need to add muslce and then lose fat. Easy .

Read the stickies for nutrition and training advice, return with questions:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055963342

Fantomas9mm

briankeating wrote: »

You need to add muslce and then lose fat. Easy .

Read the stickies for nutrition and training advice, return with questions:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055963342

Hey Brian.

Cheers for the reply.

My diet is pretty good, low card, high protein. Plenty of greens, fish and nuts.

I am 6"1 and 80kg so am slim enough.

I play soccer and swim a few times a week and hit the gym twice if i can, so i am not in the worst shape of my life.

I was just wondering if there was any specific i could do to help me get the look i want.

wersal gummage

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

Bit of a newbie still when it comes to body building.

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

hit the gym twice if i can

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

I was just wondering if there was any specific i could do to help me get the look i want.

Bodybuilding and gym twice a week 'if i can' dont go together i'm afraid. That would be the first place to start. There's loads of good info in transforms posts in the sticky thing on diet (just for you to check if your diet is as good as you think).

Kevin Duffy

That specific shape you're looking for is genetic. You can do lots to build and shape your pecs, but that particular shape can't be created from nothing. You may be lucky enough to have it though, so just get cracking on building a big, fuller chest and see what happens.

Barry.Oglesby

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

That specific shape you're looking for is genetic. You can do lots to build and shape your pecs, but that particular shape can't be created from nothing. You may be lucky enough to have it though, so just get cracking on building a big, fuller chest and see what happens.

You're kidding right? Genetic?

Brian?

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

That specific shape you're looking for is genetic. You can do lots to build and shape your pecs, but that particular shape can't be created from nothing. You may be lucky enough to have it though, so just get cracking on building a big, fuller chest and see what happens.

You're kidding right? Genetic?

Completely agree, that body shape is down hard work in the gym and at the dinner table.

Satanta

As long as you have human genetics that is attainable. You'll also need specific lighting for taking your after pic ;-)

top madra

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

You're kidding right? Genetic?

briankeating wrote: »

Completely agree, that body shape is down hard work in the gym and at the dinner table.

Everybody always has to pick holes in other peoples posts in this forum..

Maybe I'm wrong but I think what he means is it's down to genetics as to what his chest will look like afterwards, you can't pick and choose,

Op wants a square chest not a rounded one, his genetics will decide what he gets..

C-mon now ye hardly thought he meant the dude in the picture looked that way because he was born with god like genetics?

Mellor

At least the blonde Afro is easy to achieve

Barry.Oglesby

top madra wrote: »

Everybody always has to pick holes in other peoples posts in this forum..

No sometimes you just ask a question...

Maybe I'm wrong but I think what he means is it's down to genetics as to what his chest will look like afterwards, you can't pick and choose,

You mean flatter versus rounded? You can still achieve the separation look that the OP is looking for regardless of whether you're barrel chested or otherwise.

Op wants a square chest not a rounded one, his genetics will decide what he gets..

He never said that, he said he wants a line down the middle. Now my first thought was that he should just draw one with a marker.

C-mon now ye hardly thought he meant the dude in the picture looked that way because he was born with god like genetics?

He looks that way because he has wrestled since he was a wee boy. I doubt he's spent much time in the gym trying to sculpt his physique into a certain shape.

If it's anything, he's certainly sculpted his personality into a shape that makes people want to rearrange the shape of his head.

Kevin Duffy

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

That specific shape you're looking for is genetic. You can do lots to build and shape your pecs, but that particular shape can't be created from nothing. You may be lucky enough to have it though, so just get cracking on building a big, fuller chest and see what happens.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

You're kidding right? Genetic?

No, I'm not kidding.

And these two....

briankeating wrote: »

Completely agree, that body shape is down hard work in the gym and at the dinner table.

Satanta wrote: »

As long as you have human genetics that is attainable. You'll also need specific lighting for taking your after pic ;-)

....which were posted to agree with you, are wrong. There's a lot you can do to alter body shape, as I said, but some things are set in your genes and no getting away from that. Limb length etc. and the resultant symmetry won't change in the gym.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

No sometimes you just ask a question...

No, you didn't "just ask a question, you framed it as a question to make a facetious criticism.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

He never said that, he said he wants a line down the middle.

He did, but if you read the whole of the OP, he also said;

"I really i am looking for a square chest if that makes sense. Square lower pecs rather than round if ya get me."

This chest is pretty well built and full, the bottom and attachment at the centre line is "rounded".

This one is about the same overall, but more square across the bottom.

That's genetics.

Barry.Oglesby

Fecal criticism? You sure read a lot into 4 words and a question mark Kevin. I'd hate to see you do a Rorscach test.

Genetics play their part but not to the extent people think, and certainly not at the level we're discussing. Comparing slight angle changes at the base of the pec would only be significant if the pecs were as developed as the above examples you gave. Koscheck is just strong, athletic and with low body fat. He doesn't have an overdeveloped chest as with the examples you have.

Kevin Duffy

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Fecal criticism? You sure read a lot into 4 words and a question mark Kevin. I'd hate to see you do a Rorscach test.

Your post was transparent and I had the rest of your posting history to go on, so it wasn't that difficult.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Genetics play their part but not to the extent people think, and certainly not at the level we're discussing. Comparing slight angle changes at the base of the pec would only be significant if the pecs were as developed as the above examples you gave. Koscheck is just strong, athletic and with low body fat. He doesn't have an overdeveloped chest as with the examples you have.

Really? You could change the dimensions of you skeleton and attachment points of your tendons? Genetics matter for the specifics the OP asked about. The examples I gave in the pics were were heavily developed to illustrate the difference, but even with smaller chest it's visible, even if not as obvious.

If you think I'm wrong, feel free to offer the OP something more constructive than what you have done so far.

Barry.Oglesby

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Your post was transparent and I had the rest of your posting history to go on, so it wasn't that difficult.

Oh okay. I'm beginning to get it. Listen my boy gets this way sometimes as well and what we do is give him some freshly squeezed orange juice and wait an hour. Pretty soon whooosh out it comes and his humour improves no end.

Really? You could change the dimensions of you skeleton and attachment points of your tendons?

Oh now I definitely get it, you want people to know that you know some stuff about stuff... right. Okay. How about this- you are correct, in a manner of speaking, but you are correct only in the letter and not in the spirit of training. I could list any number of genetic peccadilloes and set them up as a straw man, but it doesn't make them relevant until we've gone to a certain degree of training.

If you think I'm wrong, feel free to offer the OP something more constructive than what you have done so far.

I did. Keep training, and if you want to look like Koscheck be athletic and have low bodyfat.

top madra

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

He never said that, he said he wants a line down the middle. Now my first thought was that he should just draw one with a marker.

He did......

And we just pointed out his genetics will decide whether its flat or rounded..

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

.Genetics play their part but not to the extent people think, and certainly not at the level we're discussing. Comparing slight angle changes at the base of the pec would only be significant if the pecs were as developed as the above examples you gave. Koscheck is just strong, athletic and with low body fat. He doesn't have an overdeveloped chest as with the examples you have.

Genetics play a major part..

Have a look at this guy, he is generally considered to have a 10/10 Aesthetically looking body



Going by your logic, anybody that spends enough in the gym will end up looking like this guy, they won't..

Your genetics decide what you look like in the end..

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Oh okay. I'm beginning to get it. Listen my boy gets this way sometimes as well and what we do is give him some freshly squeezed orange juice and wait an hour. Pretty soon whooosh out it comes and his humour improves no end.

Oh now I definitely get it, you want people to know that you know some stuff about stuff... right. Okay. How about this- you are correct, in a manner of speaking, but you are correct only in the letter and not in the spirit of training. I could list any number of genetic peccadilloes and set them up as a straw man, but it doesn't make them relevant until we've gone to a certain degree of training.


I did. Keep training, and if you want to look like Koscheck be athletic and have low bodyfat.

Barry.Oglesby

Now I don't know whether people are trying to intentionally ignore my point, or are just missing my point.

In any case you're using the equivalent of a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Rolling the genetic argument out for this is like handing in War and Peace for your Junior Cert essay, and not even your higher level essay...

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MedalFuhrer

What has the world come to?!?!? :-0

Hanley

OP asks what he has to do to get in some semblance of decent shape.

OP is told it doesn't matter cos it's all genetics.

...and the dude offering actual advice is being torn to shreds.

Facepalm.

top madra

Hanley wrote: »

OP asks what he has to do to get in some semblance of decent shape.

OP is told it doesn't matter cos it's all genetics.

...and the dude offering actual advice is being torn to shreds.

Facepalm.

Where in this thread was advice actually given??

Feel free to quote it.

OP said he wants a square chest not a round one, please tell him how to achieve a square one..

Hanley

top madra wrote: »

Where in this thread was advice actually given??

Feel free to quote it.

OP said he wants a square chest not a round one, please tell him how to achieve a square one..

Why is everyone so aggro today?

top madra

Hanley wrote: »

Why is everyone so aggro today?

Time of the month!!

Barry.Oglesby

I told you, constipation.

mushykeogh

stewed apple for constipation.

Inspector Coptoor

cluster fcuk

Barry.Oglesby

Loads of good advice being dispensed now.

Kevin Duffy

Hanley wrote: »

OP asks what he has to do to get in some semblance of decent shape.

OP is told it doesn't matter cos it's all genetics.

...and the dude offering actual advice is being torn to shreds.

Facepalm.

No he didn't, described an overall goal, but he asked a very specific question about a very specific shape to a particular bodypart. I was the one who raised the genetics issue and I said he may not be able to achieve the particular shape he wants, but I never said it "didn't matter".

Satanta

This thread is like a hotbed of pedanticism.

Okay okay kevin and top madra... to achieve the exact look of the guy in the photo you'll need to be his genetic match and train like him. However, the OP can achieve a well formed chest with good seperation if he trains properly and gets his bodyfat level low enough. I believe that is what we are trying to say here. Thinking about it... if you line 6 top bodybuilders up in a row, you'll probably see that they all have great definition and size, but they will all be slightly different looking too. You think they care about that? I know I dont.

This is me with a little winter weight. Fairly decent 'line down the middle' without worrying about my genetics. My genetics make me bald.

Advice? Train chest once a week to build some muscles. Train everything else too (no point just being a pair of moobs). Sort your diet out for bodyfat levels. You'll see a line down the middle.

Bottom line.... build a bit of a chest first. Dont worry about genetics. It's nonesense at our level. Nobody's gonna laugh at you for having rounded pecs instead of square. To be honest.... until I read this thread I didnt even know there were so many different types of t1ts.

kevpants

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

I really i am looking for a square chest if that makes sense. Square lower pecs rather than round if ya get me.
.

For starters. No good can come from a question like this posted on the internet.

top madra wrote: »

See what I mean.

Mellor

top madra wrote: »

He did......

Have a look at this guy, he is generally considered to have a 10/10 Aesthetically looking body

[Pic]

Going by your logic, anybody that spends enough in the gym will end up looking like this guy, they won't..

Your genetics decide what you look like in the end..

I'd say the steroids had a bigger impact that the genetics.

But I seriously don't know how so many people are missing Barry's point.
He didn't say that it is down to gym work 100%. But thats by far the deciding factor.

The OP wants to look like Koschek. Which is basically atheltic, but not overly musclar and with low body fat. He's shorter than the OP, but walks around at 86kg, a bit heavier.
To achieve this he needs to train for it. Eat for it etc. Add some mass, lose body fat.
When he gets to 90kg and 10% bf, he'll look pretty similar, a lot more similar than he does now. He won't have a big round bulbous chest like bodybuilers do, a look he wishes to avoid. "building a bigger fuller chest" was bad advice imo.

The exact profile/shape of the base of the pec will be decided by the existing structure of the muscle. But the differences in the shape of his chest depending on weather the origin of his pec major extends to the sternum at the 6 or 7 rib is incredibly minor.

top madra

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

I really i am looking for a square chest if that makes sense. Square lower pecs rather than round if ya get me.

Can anybody recommend me anything i should be doing to get the vertical line and square chest look

What op asked..

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

That specific shape you're looking for is genetic. You can do lots to build and shape your pecs, but that particular shape can't be created from nothing. You may be lucky enough to have it though, so just get cracking on building a big, fuller chest and see what happens.

What this guy said was correct.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

You're kidding right? Genetic?

This is where the thread took a nose dive..

Satanta wrote: »

This thread is like a hotbed of pedanticism.

Okay okay kevin and top madra... to achieve the exact look of the guy in the photo you'll need to be his genetic match and train like him. However, the OP can achieve a well formed chest with good seperation if he trains properly and gets his bodyfat level low enough. I believe that is what we are trying to say here.

Advice? Train chest once a week to build some muscles. Train everything else too (no point just being a pair of moobs). Sort your diet out for bodyfat levels. You'll see a line down the middle.

Bottom line.... build a bit of a chest first. Dont worry about genetics. It's nonesense at our level. Nobody's gonna laugh at you for having rounded pecs instead of square. .

I agree with everything your're saying ( well maybe not the training chest once a week but that's a argument for a different day lol )

But the way I picked up OP's post was he wanted a square chest, nomsayin?

Mellor wrote: »

I'd say the steroids had a bigger impact that the genetics.

Totally irrelevant..

Mellor wrote: »

But I seriously don't know how so many people are missing Barry's point.
He didn't say that it is down to gym work 100%. But thats by far the deciding factor.

The OP wants to look like Koschek. Which is basically atheltic, but not overly musclar and with low body fat. He's shorter than the OP, but walks around at 86kg, a bit heavier.
To achieve this he needs to train for it. Eat for it etc. Add some mass, lose body fat.
When he gets to 90kg and 10% bf, he'll look pretty similar, a lot more similar than he does now. He won't have a big round bulbous chest like bodybuilers do, a look he wishes to avoid. "building a bigger fuller chest" was bad advice imo.

The exact profile/shape of the base of the pec will be decided by the existing structure of the muscle. But the differences in the shape of his chest depending on weather the origin of his pec major extends to the sternum at the 6 or 7 rib is incredibly minor.

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

I really i am looking for a square chest if that makes sense. Square lower pecs rather than round if ya get me.

Can anybody recommend me anything i should be doing to get the vertical line and square chest look

That's what I read in the OP^^^^

Again I don't this agree with what your're saying but that Kevin guy was right in what he said and then the other guy called him out on it for no good reason..

Barry.Oglesby

I called him out now?

Listen you're way off. When I call guys out, I demand a knife fight with them to test their honour and commitment to their opinion. Kinda like Westside Story.

The lowness of this thread has reached new heights.

Inspector Coptoor

top madra wrote: »

Genetics play a major part..

id love to know what you really know about Genetics beyond this broad sweeping statement.

Would you agree with this little equation for example?

genotype + environment = phenotype

JJayoo

Good to see everyone helping Fantomas9mm and his original question.

g'em

JJayoo wrote: »

Good to see everyone helping Fantomas9mm and his original question.

This. Honest to goodness guys, this is making for painful reading from ALL sides. The next post that is not directly addressing the OP's question gets a week's ban. Fair warning.

top madra wrote: »

Time of the month!!

ftr, I'm not a fan of that humour, please don't.

top madra

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I called him out now?

Listen you're way off. When I call guys out, I demand a knife fight with them to test their honour and commitment to their opinion. Kinda like Westside Story.

The lowness of this thread has reached new heights.

I'll just have to reword what I type the next time I quote you, I wonder are as much as a tard is real life as what you come across to me on here..

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

id love to know what you really know about Genetics beyond this broad sweeping statement.

Would you agree with this little equation for example?

genotype + environment = phenotype

Seriously are we going to start talking about evolution 101 here?

I had a big answer typed here but I deleted it because I couldn't be bothered..srs

You know what I meant.

g'em wrote: »

This. Honest to goodness guys, this is making for painful reading from ALL sides. The next post that is not directly addressing the OP's question gets a week's ban. Fair warning.


ftr, I'm not a fan of that humour, please don't.

I know you gave a warning so if you want to ban me work away, there's a reason I only have 162 posts on here with a join date since 2009 while I have several thousand on a similar forum with roughly the same join date and its the same reason guys join here all the time post once or twice and never come back..

This forum is very clannish, with the same guys picking holes in everybody's posts..

g'em

top madra wrote: »

I know you gave a warning so if you want to ban me work away,

Grand so. Banned.

Dermighty

It is mainly genetic.

I'll never have a chest that looks like that, no matter what I eat or don't eat

However I am a beast so I make up for it in terms of pure power and natural excellence/ability.

Etc.. :P

Barry.Oglesby

top madra wrote: »

I'll just have to reword what I type the next time I quote you, I wonder are as much as a tard is real life as what you come across to me on here..

It's always enjoyable when people realise they've made a fool of themselves and then resolve to name calling. Anyway "Top Madra" (if that is your real name) I am, as people will attest to, exactly the same in real life as I am online, but I've no doubt that you are not, since I doubt you would call me a "tard" to my face, which you are welcome to do any time since my gym address is in the link in my signature. I'm there coaching from 7pm tonight. In fact anyone is welcome to come down and talk training to me at anytime. I like a lively debate and to hear opinions and ideas. I may even have some ideas on how to get a square chest

And now for some cusory constructive advice:

Get lower bodyfat and do resistance training.

g'em

Barry and Dermighty banned.

Thread closed.