Real Life Poseidon

MagicMarker

Surprise there's no thread on this considering it happened a day or so ago (I search titles for 'cruise' and 'ship', no results).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16577739

Images of the capsized Costa Concordia dominate the front pages of Italian newspapers and news websites, which are full of reports of the disaster and its aftermath, including stories from passengers, crew and locals on the island of Giglio.

"Concordia, a night of errors and lies", is the headline in Rome's La Repubblica.

The paper speaks of the ship lying like a "beached whale" off the coast. It describes how local fishermen rushed into their boats to help passengers when it became clear that the ship was in distress.

"Italy owes to the world, to international public opinion, to the families of those who lost their lives or were injured... a convincing explanation and harsh punishments for those responsible for this tragedy," says an editorial in best-selling daily Corriere Della Sera.

"The captain's position worsens: he did not raise the alarm and refused to go back on board," says the headline in Turin's La Stampa. Among the distressing stories it carries is that of Claudio Masi, who struggled to get his children, wife and mother onto lifeboats, but was unable to go back for his 85-year-old father, who was later found among the dead.

Many papers hail the ship's chief purser, Manrico Gianpetroni, as one of the heroes of the hour. Mr Gianpetroni, who was rescued from deep inside the vessel 36 hours after its hull was ripped open by rocks, is credited with helping dozens of people to safety before breaking his leg in a fall.

The daily Il Giornale brands the disaster a "global embarrassment" for Italy, but other papers report on growing anger among the ship's crew at attempts in the media to portray them as incompetent.

"We evacuated 4,000 people from a ship lying on its side in the dark, in less than two hours! Incompetent people would not have been able to do that," Katia Keyvanian, a hostess on the ship, is quoted as saying.

"Anguish over those still missing" is the focus for Rome's Il Messaggero. In an update, the paper's website reports that rescue operations have been suspended as rough weather makes the vessel slip into deeper water.

I personally couldn't think of anything more terrifying!! Apparently there could still be people trapped inside, but the ship is resting on rocks and if it slips then it's a 100 metre drop!

What was the captain thinking!!? :eek:

starbelgrade

Shocking stuff alright & I'd say the real extent of what happened - which has yet to come to light - will be even worse.

IM0

anyone else think the title was poison spelt wrong?

Dravokivich

I've been reading about it. It's nothing Like Poseidon.

1) This was caused by an error from the crew. They were piloting the boat through an area to shallow for it. No OTT disaster like a Tidal Wave
2) Only a handfull of fatalities in this accident as opposed to a handful of survivors in the movie.

You really need to pay more attention to movies OP.

Son Of A Vidic

MagicMarker wrote: »

What was the captain thinking!!? :eek:

Perhaps he wasn't think at all. A €300 hundred million euro ship in service since 2006. Bristling with the latest technology and navigational software and then it runs aground. You would imagine that the captain was put through pretty stringent and intensive training, prior to taking command of such a ship. Then of course it could have been a software malfunction ect, but only time will tell.

SEPT 23 1989

MagicMarker wrote: »

What was the captain thinking drinking!!? :eek:

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Vego

with the captain off the ship can say treasure hunters climb aboard and loot legally
?

starbelgrade

Dravokivich wrote: »

I've been reading about it. It's nothing Like Poseidon.

1) This was caused by an error from the crew. They were piloting the boat through an area to shallow for it. No OTT disaster like a Tidal Wave
2) Only a handfull of fatalities in this accident as opposed to a handful of survivors in the movie.

More like Speed 2 then.

MagicMarker

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Perhaps he wasn't think at all. A €300 hundred million euro ship in service since 2006. Bristling with the latest technology and navigational software and then it runs aground. You would imagine that the captain was put through pretty stringent and intensive training, prior to taking command of such a ship. Then of course it could have been a software malfunction ect, but only time will tell.

I don't see how it could have been a malfunction, the ship was only 150m from the shore when it should have been a couple of miles away at least.

Dravokivich

starbelgrade wrote: »

More like Speed 2 then.

Just without Sandra Bullock* thank fúck.


*yet to be confirmed

GavRedKing

How theres only 6 confirmed dead is beyond me. People got very lucky.

DaveNoCheese

Nothing like the movie OP.

Captain was probably too thick headed to realise his error before it was too late, thats just a guess though. Time tells all secrets....

ejmaztec

Dravokivich wrote: »

I've been reading about it. It's nothing Like Poseidon.

1) This was caused by an error from the crew. They were piloting the boat through an area to shallow for it. No OTT disaster like a Tidal Wave
2) Only a handfull of fatalities in this accident as opposed to a handful of survivors in the movie.

You really need to pay more attention to movies OP.

If it hadn't been resting on that ledge for a couple of days, it would have been a Poseidon. It's either slid off or sliding off now apparently.

DEFTLEFTHAND

There's question that the crew were deliberate in their maneuvering of the vessel so close to the shore, something to do with a tradition of saluting colleagues who had disembarked in port for shore leave.

Son Of A Vidic

MagicMarker wrote: »

I don't see how it could have been a malfunction, the ship was only 150m from the shore when it should have been a couple of miles away at least.

But couldn't the reason it ended up so close to the shore, was because of a system malfunction? Personally, I don't think anything can be ruled out when there hasn't been an investigation yet. However, all early indicators at the moment do seem to point directly at the captain...

Costa Cruises, the company that operated the liner, has said "preliminary indications" suggested Schettino may have been guilty of "significant human error".

In a statement it said: "The route of the vessel appears to have been too close to the shore, and the captain's judgment in handling the emergency appears to have not followed standard Costa procedures."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/16/cruise-ship-crash-sixth-body

But I'd rather wait for the findings of the accident investigation, before we know what really happened.

Dravokivich

ejmaztec wrote: »

If it hadn't been resting on that ledge for a couple of days, it would have been a Poseidon. It's either slid off or sliding off now apparently.

"Ifs" and "Buts" yada yada yada. It hasn't turned out like that though.

"If" the captain kept the boat on course this wouldn't of happened.

Ray Palmer

Still nothing like the Posiden Adventure. It didn't go upside down and it wasn't casued by a wave.

Seems everybody is blaming the captain very quickly but you got to wonder if they can be so sure so early. Either it is that obvious or he will be made a scapegoat

Ellis Dee

IM0 wrote: »

anyone else think the title was poison spelt wrong?

The more educated among us know that Poseidon (Ποσειδῶν) is the Greek god of the sea. :):)

DEFTLEFTHAND

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Still nothing like the Posiden Adventure. It didn't go upside down and it wasn't casued by a wave.

Seems everybody is blaming the captain very quickly but you got to wonder if they can be so sure so early. Either it is that obvious or he will be made a scapegoat

Whoever was on 'watch' at the bridge takes the flack. The fact that they were leaving port would suggest that both Captain and Chief Officer would have been present supervising the departure. So as the highest ranking officer on the bridge the buck stops with the Captain.

ejmaztec

Dravokivich wrote: »

"Ifs" and "Buts" yada yada yada. It hasn't turned out like that though.

"If" the captain kept the boat on course this wouldn't of happened.

Calm down :eek:

William_Hicley

Jesus, its been so long since I'v seen it, I forgot Steve Mc'Queen was in it...

BigBrownBear

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Still nothing like the Posiden Adventure. It didn't go upside down and it wasn't casued by a wave.

Seems everybody is blaming the captain very quickly but you got to wonder if they can be so sure so early. Either it is that obvious or he will be made a scapegoat

He mightn't have gone down with the ship, but he'll be going down when the trial is over

DaveNoCheese

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Whoever was on 'watch' at the bridge takes the flack. The fact that they were leaving port would suggest that both Captain and Chief Officer would have been present supervising the departure. So as the highest ranking officer on the bridge the buck stops with the Captain.

Captain wasn't even in the bridge when the ship ran ashore, he was in the lounge or something drinking with some young wan under his arm (dirty fecker).

Dravokivich

ejmaztec wrote: »

Calm down :eek:

Alreet, Alreet.

Nothingbetter2d

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Perhaps he wasn't think at all. A €300 hundred million euro ship in service since 2006. Bristling with the latest technology and navigational software and then it runs aground. You would imagine that the captain was put through pretty stringent and intensive training, prior to taking command of such a ship. Then of course it could have been a software malfunction ect, but only time will tell.

the ship was insured for €450mil source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16575615

the Captain is so screwed now.... 6 counts of manslaughter and costing his company's insurance co €450mil + pending lawsuits

AudreyHepburn

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0114/italy.html

RIP to all who perished....it must have been truly horrifying to experience.

I would be of the belief that we propably should wait until a proper investigation has been and the Captain has been allowed to defend himself and tell his side. There certainly some worrying issues to address including his choice of course and his abandoning ship first when he should have been last. But there could be legitimate reasons for those and it is too easy to point fingers and bay for blood in these situations.

The only thing I would be definite on at the moment is that the Captain always leaves last.

Any other thoughts/opinions on this tragedy?

Capt'n Midnight

Vego wrote: »

with the captain off the ship can say treasure hunters climb aboard and loot legally
?

No, not ever.

If the ship had been completely abandoned on the high seas then you might be able to claim at most 10-15% salvage on what you have rescued. But actually you would have to present stuff to the Receiver of Wrecks to avoid being prosecuted for theft.

http://www.admiraltylawguide.com/conven/salvage1989.html
and any local Italian laws

Article 18

The effect of salvor's misconduct

A salvor may be deprived of the whole or part of the payment due under this Convention to the extent that the salvage operations have become necessary or more difficult because of fault or neglect on his part or if the salvor has been guilty of fraud or other dishonest conduct.

Since the ship is aground and the owners are present it would be well nigh impossible to claim that they had to rely on your help

AudreyHepburn

RIP to all who perished....it must have been truly horrifying to experience.

I would be of the belief that we propably should wait until a proper investigation has been and the Captain has been allowed to defend himself and tell his side. There certainly some worrying issues to address including his choice of course and his abandoning ship first when he should have been last. But there could be legitimate reasons for those and it is too easy to point fingers and bay for blood in these situations.

The only thing I would be definite on at the moment is that the Captain always leaves last.

AngryBollix

I have that sinking feeling that this thread can only go downwards from here

Reloc8

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0114/italy.html

RIP to all who perished....it must have been truly horrifying to experience.

we probably should wait until a proper investigation has been held...it is too easy to point fingers and bay for blood in these situations...


Any other thoughts/opinions on this tragedy?

Fixed.

senorwipesalot

OP is going overboard with this thread.

biko

2 Concordia threads merged.

stupidusername

BigBrownBear wrote: »

He mightn't have gone down with the ship, but he'll be going down when the trial is over

that's so a Horatio moment.

MagicMarker

stupidusername wrote: »

that's so a Horatio moment.

YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!

dubtom

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0114/italy.html

RIP to all who perished....it must have been truly horrifying to experience.

I would be of the belief that we propably should wait until a proper investigation has been and the Captain has been allowed to defend himself and tell his side. There certainly some worrying issues to address including his choice of course and his abandoning ship first when he should have been last. But there could be legitimate reasons for those and it is too easy to point fingers and bay for blood in these situations.

The only thing I would be definite on at the moment is that the Captain always leaves last.

Any other thoughts/opinions on this tragedy?

Well the fact he left the ship before all passengers and crew were taken off and then 'apparently' refused to return is indefenceable..indefensable (how the fook do you spell that) unforgivable. He deserves to be tied to the yard arm and given 50 lashes,at least.

hondasam

Just listening to the conversation with the captain and the coastguard.
He is an embarrassment to his profession.
It is human nature to feel scared but these passengers were his responsibility and he should have stayed with his ship.

RIP to those who died.

losthorizon

Just saw a report on that captain on the news. It seems like hes been a loose cannon for a long time now. His conversation with the coastguard was shocking.

http://www.euronews.net/2012/01/17/fall-of-an-italian-cruise-captain

kowloon

William_Hicley wrote: »

Jesus, its been so long since I'v seen it, I forgot Steve Mc'Queen was in it...

Don't think he was in it.

Livvie

If the captain has a conscience, he's going to find it hard to live with it. Lives lost, beautiful ship lost, God knows how much money lost + paid out in compensation, and God forbid, an environmental catastrophe. How would you live with that?

MagicMarker

Livvie wrote: »

If the captain has a conscience, he's going to find it hard to live with it. Lives lost, beautiful ship lost, God knows how much money lost + paid out in compensation, and God forbid, an environmental catastrophe. How would you live with that?

In prison hopefully.

Dravokivich

dubtom wrote: »

Well the fact he left the ship before all passengers and crew were taken off and then 'apparently' refused to return is indefenceable..indefensable (how the fook do you spell that) unforgivable. He deserves to be tied to the yard arm and given 50 lashes,at least.

There was a similar thing about a another liner a couple of years back. Can't remember the specifics of it. The Captain made an arguement over "When I called abandon ship why should it exclude the crew and myself?"

Although it was fairly harsh of him to say that as the crew were the first off in that instance. Left the passengers behind on an ailing ship, who wouldn't have a clue what to do with any of the equipment.

Red_Wake

I came into this thread expecting that the God of the Sea had been discovered.:mad:

patmac

In fairness how unlucky was the captain, first his ship sunk and then he falls into a life boat, bad day all round.

Batsy

This would have to happen in the year that sees the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic.

I was surprised to learn, though, that the Costa Concordia is larger than the Titanic was.

hidinginthebush

Is there any actual law that says the captain should have been last off? I know what he did was wrong and irresponsable leaving the passengers to sort themselves out, but was he bound to stay on the ship by any real laws apart than by our own perceived "rules of the sea "?

Capt'n Midnight

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Is there any actual law that says the captain should have been last off? I know what he did was wrong and irresponsable leaving the passengers to sort themselves out, but was he bound to stay on the ship by any real laws apart than by our own perceived "rules of the sea "?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16611371

Article 1097 of Italy's Maritime Law says that if the commander does not leave last, he risks two years in jail; if the vessel is lost two to eight years; if the boat is used to carry people, three to 12 years.

hidinginthebush

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Is there any actual law that says the captain should have been last off? I know what he did was wrong and irresponsable leaving the passengers to sort themselves out, but was he bound to stay on the ship by any real laws apart than by our own perceived "rules of the sea "?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16611371

Article 1097 of Italy's Maritime Law says that if the commander does not leave last, he risks two years in jail; if the vessel is lost two to eight years; if the boat is used to carry people, three to 12 years.

Of course a captain would know that! :pac:

hidinginthebush

I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of the coastguard's wrath!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM9sam2u_Tk

losthorizon

Some incredible photos here of the ship

http://www.themysteryworld.com/2012/01/inside-sinking-costa-concordia-cruise.html