Limousin AI for Replacements

David brown

Anyone using a particular maternal bull and whats calves like? was told to use FL21. anyone any calves out nof this lad.

tanko

I have used NSQ a lot in the last two years to breed replacements, decent bulls and nice looking heifers of him but they arent the quietest. My best cows are of EPN, he bred medium sized well muscled cows with lots of milk and good docility too. Pity he is gone. Used FL21 OZS and PAM last year. FL21 is pushed a lot by progressive but his milk figures are poor if i remember correctly.

1chippy

used ozs on a couple of heifers. ai man highly recommended him for replacements. easy calving as well he said. usually use limo stock bull but at least we will have something growing alongside a few off our own to compare to.

David brown

Thanks for that info.

limo_100

used alot of replacement bulls last year fl21, oli, six, adx there good bulls to use cause they'll leave good bull calves behind them aswel. the best replacement bull i used was panda i have a heifer due to him in early feb so time will tell.
so far this year i have used ozs and i was thinking of using utl looks a smasher

ddogsbollix

OZS and OEI are very good replacement bulls

limo_100

ddogsbollix wrote: »

OZS and OEI are very good replacement bulls

have you calves trom ozs hes a suspose to be a good tall bull

ddogsbollix

My uncle has a few his are not awful tall but there good strong heifers with long straight backs. breeding with OZS myself this year so hoping for a few heifers

tanko

Has anyone used the bull Pacha 08, PCH? He has a very high figure for daughters milk.

Bizzum

ddogsbollix wrote: »

OZS and OEI are very good replacement bulls

Some of the wildest calves we ever had were off OEI.

ddogsbollix

ya OEI calves can be very wild indeed however i find once there in calf they seem to get quieter! the same time there is no point running round after them until they come to bulling age:D

limo_100

did use find oei a good bull? nsq was a better bull i tought

FarmerJoe123

we've used NSQ and SIX a good bit in the past, the ones from NSQ can be a bit wild, but do quiet down after a while.
both throw good calves, both bulls and heifers, but SIX can be hard calved, depends on the cow I suppose.

limo_100

FarmerJoe123 wrote: »

we've used NSQ and SIX a good bit in the past, the ones from NSQ can be a bit wild, but do quiet down after a while.
both throw good calves, both bulls and heifers, but SIX can be hard calved, depends on the cow I suppose.

i never used six but i have a cow incalf to this year does he leave well muscled cattle behind him?

FarmerJoe123

I'm not sure to be honest, we only ever used him on two cows, Black Lim's, one gave very muscled cattle, the other gave slightly plainer, but still good, cattle.

Here's two photo's taken last spring, the black is just under a year from the cow that gave the better calves and the red is one and a half to two years old from the other cow.

limo_100

FarmerJoe123 wrote: »

I'm not sure to be honest, we only ever used him on two cows, Black Lim's, one gave very muscled cattle, the other gave slightly plainer, but still good, cattle.

Here's two photo's taken last spring, the black is just under a year from the cow that gave the better calves and the red is one and a half to two years old from the other cow.

there good cattle so they are lots of height to did that come from the bull or are your cows tall?
have you that heifer in calf yet if so wat ta put on er?

FarmerJoe123

limo_100 wrote: »

there good cattle so they are lots of height to did that come from the bull or are your cows tall?
have you that heifer in calf yet if so wat ta put on er?

both cows are tall, but I'd say the bull had a part to play too.

That heifer was sent to the mart, got good money for her too

But if she was kept she probably would of got NSQ (or maybe a nice Sim) first time out and then chance a Charolais after that :P

limo_100

did anyone ever use fl21? what are his offspring like off him?

David brown

limo_100 wrote: »

did anyone ever use fl21? what are his offspring like off him?

like to know the answer to that question. love to see pictures. use to use farfelu and malibu.any one use these?

limo_100

it be nice to see some of his offspring alright. i have a cow by malibu very good cow not the biggest but she is a great breeder with good milk. she calved dez unassisted last year so i think that makes her a good calver

island of tighe

saw 3 top quality fl21 calves on a neighbours farm this morning,all born during the week.2 bulls 1 heifer all red calves. out of threequarter bred heifers by hkg and pam

limo_100

island of tighe wrote: »

saw 3 top quality fl21 calves on a neighbours farm this morning,all born during the week.2 bulls 1 heifer all red calves. out of threequarter bred heifers by hkg and pam

where they tall, well muscled cause i'm looking for a bull for smaller cows

island of tighe

they are very square well muscled calves.average height.a small bit bigger than fl22 calves born on same farm.both 21 and 22 calves are way ahead of requin calves i saw there last year

limo_100

island of tighe wrote: »

they are very square well muscled calves.average height.a small bit bigger than fl22 calves born on same farm.both 21 and 22 calves are way ahead of requin calves i saw there last year

had fl22 and req before wouldnt use either again.
fl22 look good when there born but they stay light they dont seem to drop there bobys.
req is the worse bull iv ever used disaster he only breeds runts.
if your lookin for a bull for heifers or even cows use ozeus hes suspose ta be the real deal and panda if you can get him hes one of the best lm bulls in france

Bodacious

limo_100 wrote: »

where they tall, well muscled cause i'm looking for a bull for smaller cows

Ive a smaller type BB heifer and think ill use OZS as he is fairly tall on the linear assessment thing and relatively easily calving at 5%, as other two easy calving options at Munster/PG HCA or AHZ seem vertically challenged

limo_100

Bodacious wrote: »

Ive a smaller type BB heifer and think ill use OZS as he is fairly tall on the linear assessment thing and relatively easily calving at 5%, as other two easy calving options at Munster/PG HCA or AHZ seem vertically challenged

yeah two bulls i wont be using either. OZS is highly recommend for cows aswel he has a high muscle figure 125. its a pity PG wont write in the books telling yeah which bull suits tall cows and which bull suits low stature cows any more. im sure not everyone fully understands them figures im only starting ta understand myself. I think PG are lacking tall bulls the last few years.

Bodacious

limo_100 wrote: »

yeah two bulls i wont be using either. OZS is highly recommend for cows aswel he has a high muscle figure 125. its a pity PG wont write in the books telling yeah which bull suits tall cows and which bull suits low stature cows any more. im sure not everyone fully understands them figures im only starting ta understand myself. I think PG are lacking tall bulls the last few years.

If he had a FL22 straw left id nearly use him for safety or a sale like OUR or RIO . OZS might bring too much muscle as she is 50% BB by EDJ. Id agree with you on the lack of height in the selection, everyone has one or two them,( aax usually) handy sized cows that are good rearers but need an injection of height from the bull side

limo_100

Bodacious wrote: »

If he had a FL22 straw left id nearly use him for safety or a sale like OUR or RIO . OZS might bring too much muscle as she is 50% BB by EDJ. Id agree with you on the lack of height in the selection, everyone has one or two them,( aax usually) handy sized cows that are good rearers but need an injection of height from the bull side

do ya no what might suit her i was talking to a random person the a mart one the and this man does partheaise cattle and he said the part blue cross is one of the best hes seem reckons its better than the blue lim cross. but and the end of the day its up to you fl22 would pop out of her and u'd get a medium sized wide calf be a good weanling.
I have a lze red angus heifer dont no wether to put a OZS straw in her or a APZ sim straw

Bizzum

We have 3 FL22 calves on the ground now. All from heifers, Stylish calves, nice and compact. Time will tell what they turn out lkie.

limo_100

Bizzum wrote: »

We have 3 FL22 calves on the ground now. All from heifers, Stylish calves, nice and compact. Time will tell what they turn out lkie.

same as ours last year i hope yours go on well. ours were nice thick calves but they werent over long and never grew tall suppose he did his job EASY CALVING ha...the heifers i used him on last year are in calf to adx so be interesting ta see. have ya used and other limo that worked well for ya. I need a growty long bull need a good few replacements in the next 2years and supply the surplus to this good springer trade..;)

Bizzum

ABI we used a good bit, and got some good stock off him he seems to hold size, his calves have a similar head on a lot of them, not that sweet in the head. We used RSJ too and he brought plenghty of size but is gone now.
We used one straw of MBV on a very good cow and have a serious calf, probably show quality.

Bizzum

limo_100 wrote: »

I have a lze red angus heifer dont no wether to put a OZS straw in her or a APZ sim straw

My opinion here would be to use the Lim. Probably more muscle and a better colour if that is important to you:)

limo_100

Bizzum wrote: »

ABI we used a good bit, and got some good stock off him he seems to hold size, his calves have a similar head on a lot of them, not that sweet in the head. We used RSJ too and he brought plenghty of size but is gone now.
We used one straw of MBV on a very good cow and have a serious calf, probably show quality.

we only use the PG bulls i think ill use OZS, PDA and FL21 and see how they go.
your probably write id get a far more stylish calf from OZS and he'd bring the height. anyway no matter what bulls we use there be bad calves aswel as the goods ones

Bizzum

What price is Panda per straw?

limo_100

Bizzum wrote: »

What price is Panda per straw?

i dont no but i think including the service fee and all it was no more than €35. I have a heifer due to him probably round the 15feb so he better be good cause iv being encouraging everyone ta use him neighbours, friends, on this so he better not let me down

Bizzum

limo_100 wrote: »

i dont no but i think including the service fee and all it was no more than €35. I have a heifer due to him probably round the 15feb so he better be good cause iv being encouraging everyone ta use him neighbours, friends, on this so he better not let me down

You'll know Panda's calves anywhere. They all have white heads and black eyes and ears!:D

tanko

I sold a april 2011 fl22 bull calf out of a highlander heifer 350kgs for 960 euros last week. Perfect bull for heifers, used HCA last year. Panda is a good bull but too hard calving for heifers imo.

Ashill5

i have a couple of good angus heifers. My A.I. man is suggesting on using AHZ on them. Has anybody used him and more important were you hapy with the results!:rolleyes:

limo_100

Ashill5 wrote: »

i have a couple of good angus heifers. My A.I. man is suggesting on using AHZ on them. Has anybody used him and more important were you hapy with the results!:rolleyes:

If there small he wont bring alot of height to the mix. i havent used him but he look an all right bull

limo_100

tanko wrote: »

I sold a april 2011 fl22 bull calf out of a highlander heifer 350kgs for 960 euros last week. Perfect bull for heifers, used HCA last year. Panda is a good bull but too hard calving for heifers imo.

that was a great price. how do you find HCA calves? Have you PDA calves on the ground?

island of tighe

ive just spent 15 minutes looking at 2011/12 pg catalogue as im struggling to keep up with all ye well versed limousin men!!!!!.for what it is worth i would use fl21 on heifers and fl25 on cows.id say panda straws will be expensive as semen is limited.i never heard of ozs until now.not being used around here at all

im am using my ronick hawk stock bull on heifers here as i am buying replacement heifers.im doing diy ai on cows while indoors,using ryp (bb) cost 15 euro per straw

Bizzum

island of tighe wrote: »

for what it is worth i would use fl21 on heifers

On his calving figures he wouldn't jump out at me as a bull for heifers. 7.2% CDiff
1* within breed or 2* across breeds 98% reliability. Ranking in the bottom 10% of his breed. Depends on the heifer though I suppose!

I note PG touting FL21 as a producer of 'very milky' daughters. Yet as I read his figures he seems to have peaked at +6.74kgs milk in April 10 or €67 milk (15% Reliability) only to head south in subsequent evaluations to his latest figures in Dec 11 of -3.08kgs milk or -€30 milk (71% Reliability).
Hard to see the 'very milky' daughters on those figures.

pakalasa

Bizzum wrote: »

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ICBF haven't come out and said it directly but their milk figures are sh1te. That's why now, they are talking about weighing calves at a younger age on farms before meal feeding starts. All the other data, they can stand over, like fertility, calving diff, weanling value etc. Milk figures always have very low Rel figures. Look at the Saler bull RIO, his milk figures shot up this year. Malibu, the Lim bull was sold for years as a very milky bull. Now his figures show only 2 stars for milk.
Nothing worst than calving a heifer down at 3 years to find she hasn't a drop of milk.

FL21 - wouldnt use on heifers either.

Indubitable

I know people that swear by SIX. He isn't easy calved by any means so a cow maybe on her 3rd or 4th calf with good pre-calving management would be a good idea. I have seen some cows off him and they really do impress.

adne

Indubitable wrote: »

I know people that swear by SIX. He isn't easy calved by any means so a cow maybe on her 3rd or 4th calf with good pre-calving management would be a good idea. I have seen some cows off him and they really do impress.

I've seen a few calves from six and all have great quality. What are peoples thoughts on rua? I would not be a fan and the calves are mental

tanko

limo_100 wrote: »

that was a great price. how do you find HCA calves? Have you PDA calves on the ground?

Yeah, was delighted with that price, was a black calf with good shape and frame but not much muscle. I have eight heifers incalf to HCA due in march/april. Dont have any panda calves, just heard a couple of good reports about him. Only have run of the mill commercial cows but am thinking about buying some ON DIT and NEXEN straws. Anyone any opinions on these?

Indubitable

Are straws for Rocky (ROX) still available? We used to use him a lot in the past. I see progressive genetics have an easy calving polled bull called VKG. Does anyone have any experiences with him? Could be very good for heifers for their 1st calf if he gave middling good calves and I wouldn't have to chase around dehorning them.

limo_100

pakalasa wrote: »

ICBF haven't come out and said it directly but their milk figures are sh1te. That's why now, they are talking about weighing calves at a younger age on farms before meal feeding starts. All the other data, they can stand over, like fertility, calving diff, weanling value etc. Milk figures always have very low Rel figures. Look at the Saler bull RIO, his milk figures shot up this year. Malibu, the Lim bull was sold for years as a very milky bull. Now his figures show only 2 stars for milk.
Nothing worst than calving a heifer down at 3 years to find she hasn't a drop of milk.

FL21 - wouldnt use on heifers either.

PG don't have a system for testing milk in the offspring my ai man was saying one day. he said FL21 has lots of milk in his pedigree even if its not rated that highly in the stars. The french bulls that are tested for there figures are more reliable

limo_100

Indubitable wrote: »

I know people that swear by SIX. He isn't easy calved by any means so a cow maybe on her 3rd or 4th calf with good pre-calving management would be a good idea. I have seen some cows off him and they really do impress.

I'd say they'd be big powerful cows wit lots of muscle are they??

ddogsbollix

i had 2 calves off rockys son CXM and they were very good!!! easy calving too!

Indubitable

limo_100 wrote: »

I'd say they'd be big powerful cows wit lots of muscle are they??

Muscley alright. Seems to be doing well on larger framed cows from what I have seen.

ddogsbollix wrote: »

i had 2 calves off rockys son CXM and they were very good!!! easy calving too!

Wasn't he a test bull in progressive genetics? Think I saw him in a book 2 years ago. Looked long from the picture anyway.