JUDO AND BJJ

jitz

Highlight of one of the best judo practitioners in the world using some of his awesome bjj

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I6-3ScFYcA&feature=related

Barry.Oglesby

jitz wrote: »

Highlight of one of the best judo practitioners in the world using some of his awesome bjj

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I6-3ScFYcA&feature=related

Awesome vid! Thanks!

jitz

No worries Barry, it's nice to see someone combine both arts so effectively at such a high level of competition.

Performance Martial Arts

Love that video !!!

nobbo

Great vid. He's been around a while and I'm a massive fan of Flavio Canto. It even pisses me off to no end as a judoka when some referees dont give him(or me ) a chance on the ground to execute some of his fantastic techniques.

Barry.Oglesby

nobbo wrote: »

Great vid. He's been around a while and I'm a massive fan of Flavio Canto. It even pisses me off to no end as a judoka when some referees dont give him(or me ) a chance on the ground to execute some of his fantastic techniques.

And is there a difference in interpretation of the newaza rules among refs? Looking at that video there I thought there was a few matches that went on a bit longer than I'm used to on the ground. Bear in mind I know very little about Judo refereeing.

Doug Cartel

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

And is there a difference in interpretation of the newaza rules among refs?

Rule of thumb is that at lower level competitions the refs will tend to leave you work away on the ground until you stop making any progress. At higher levels they get more strict about standing you up. In the Olympics, it gets kind of ridiculous, and it seems they'll stop you in the middle of rolling someone into a pin.

Looking at that video there I thought there was a few matches that went on a bit longer than I'm used to on the ground. Bear in mind I know very little about Judo refereeing.

It's a highlight video, and they've picked the more exciting bits. They're not going to show all the times guys were stalling out in turtle until the ref reset them.

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nobbo wrote: »

Great vid. He's been around a while and I'm a massive fan of Flavio Canto. It even pisses me off to no end as a judoka when some referees dont give him(or me ) a chance on the ground to execute some of his fantastic techniques.

Maybe we should have more points scoring opportunities on the groud.

The main difference I find in BJJ and Judo on the ground is apart from a hold down in Judo the focus is on a submission, no points for passing guard, knee rider's etc.. Maybe bring back the Koka (smallest score) for such techniques.

I can not see any good reason what so ever why more point scoring opportunities can not be introduced into judo newaza.

Another thing I'd like to see scraped is the rule that a ref can not get on their knee's to see whats happening on the ground - currently the ref must remain standing.

Apart from that the clip is good, but nothing spectacular IMO. Lots of Sumi Gaeshi and other sacrifice throw's transitioning in to newaza - most ref's in my experience would let such techniques develope into something on the ground.

nobbo

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

And is there a difference in interpretation of the newaza rules among refs? Looking at that video there I thought there was a few matches that went on a bit longer than I'm used to on the ground. Bear in mind I know very little about Judo refereeing.

I'm not sure what the rule states exactly, but I assume its basically as long as you are making progress you will be given time to a certain extent.

But even with this, there is a huge variation between Irish and other refs, and local competitions and international comps. Some give you a lot(sometimes too much) to try to hold/submit your opponent, while other would call matte(stop) even if you've just landed on the ground but not in a good position.

At this years Irish open I was watching one mat with an Irish, English and Sweedish ref on it. The difference was amazing with everything from scoring to time on the ground. The English referee was particulary stingy with time on the ground, the Swede was middle of the road while the Irish one gave a good bit of time.

So it really depends on the referee as to how much time you get. Its is subjective so at the end of the day its the refs call.

Burnt

IJF Referee Manual Introduction, Contest Procedures wrote:

Matte in Ne Waza

In the opinion of the judge, if there is no demonstrated progression in ne waza the judge should indicate his/her wish for the referee to call matte.

http://www.intjudo.eu/IJF_Referee_Manual_Introduction/Contest_Procedures_/Contest_Procedures

If you want to get more time on the ground, the best way is to "show" the referee the progress you're making. Make each step of the techniques; strong, deliberate and clear, almost like a demonstration in training.

You will often see guys just pulling frantically on an arm to get a juji. It doesn't really cut it with most refs. You have show the ref "look i'm here in position; now i've trapped the arm, now i'm going to break uke's grip on the arm with some skill, now i'm applying the lock etc...

Barry.Oglesby

Burnt wrote: »

http://www.intjudo.eu/IJF_Referee_Manual_Introduction/Contest_Procedures_/Contest_Procedures

If you want to get more time on the ground, the best way is to "show" the referee the progress you're making. Make each step of the techniques; strong, deliberate and clear, almost like a demonstration in training.

You will often see guys just pulling frantically on an arm to get a juji. It doesn't really cut it with most refs. You have show the ref "look i'm here in position; now i've trapped the arm, now i'm going to break uke's grip on the arm with some skill, now i'm applying the lock etc...

Okay yes the same would be in BJJ rules for passivity.