pet passport question polish people out there

yashio

hi everyone,
just would like to know if anyone has been through this situation before
im looking at bringing a dog into ireland from poland as the dog is a lot cheaper out there to buy.i need to know the costs i could expect and waiting times.

my plan is to get micro chip,test for rabies and passport in poland first then get a plane to fly my dog over to ireland

andreac

But will it not cost more if you have to get it transported over from Poland then?

john t

snip--Off topic.

Wibbs

john t wrote:

good plan but dogs can be obtained/ got for near nothing from pounds, wheir you live in ireland?

Well I presume yashio has a particular dog or breed in mind, given the potential hassle involved and a pound/rescue dog doesn't exactly fit the bill.

I take it the dog is a rare breed that you can't source in Ireland or might cost over a thousand quid closer to home? In that case it might be significantly cheaper to buy in Poland alright(and you might have a wider choice of breeders and lines). That said the travel expenses could catch up with you. For a start I'm not sure the various Warsaw for 20 quid type airlines will take animals?

While I don't know the specific ins and outs, I do know someone who brought their pet dog to Ireland from France and there was a fair amount of paperwork involved and a delay of a few weeks. OK pain in the bum for an adult dog, but if it's a pup you're after those few weeks could be very important for socialisation and the like. I'd imagine you'd have to find out if the originating country in this case Poland has any restrictions on dogs or specific breeds of dogs leaving the country. Probably not, but you never know.

yashio

Wibbs wrote: »

Well I presume yashio has a particular dog or breed in mind, given the potential hassle involved and a pound/rescue dog doesn't exactly fit the bill.

I take it the dog is a rare breed that you can't source in Ireland or might cost over a thousand quid closer to home? In that case it might be significantly cheaper to buy in Poland alright(and you might have a wider choice of breeders and lines). That said the travel expenses could catch up with you. For a start I'm not sure the various Warsaw for 20 quid type airlines will take animals?

While I don't know the specific ins and outs, I do know someone who brought their pet dog to Ireland from France and there was a fair amount of paperwork involved and a delay of a few weeks. OK pain in the bum for an adult dog, but if it's a pup you're after those few weeks could be very important for socialisation and the like. I'd imagine you'd have to find out if the originating country in this case Poland has any restrictions on dogs or specific breeds of dogs leaving the country. Probably not, but you never know.

your on the ball there
its a english bulldog here there going for silly money 1500 is average with decent backround and colours etc.
poland its a lot cheaper,my gf is polish and is studying there-im back and forth every so often same as herself so this idea fell into place.

andreac

What price are they in poland? How would you get it back to ireland?

yashio

andreac wrote: »

What price are they in poland? How would you get it back to ireland?

depends an a lot ov things colour,backround,micro chipped etc etc
looking to fly him over if thats possible

mymo

Not many airlines will take dogs and those that do will mostly (that I know of) refuse flat faced breeds (bulldogs, shih ztu, etc), so I would have a call around the airlines first.

Just to add, the reason they refuse these breeds is that they are a high risk of respiratory problems and these are made worse by stress of flying. Also the pup would have to be over 10 or 12 weeks, depends on airline.

yashio

mymo wrote: »

Not many airlines will take dogs and those that do will mostly (that I know of) refuse flat faced breeds (bulldogs, shih ztu, etc), so I would have a call around the airlines first.

Just to add, the reason they refuse these breeds is that they are a high risk of respiratory problems and these are made worse by stress of flying. Also the pup would have to be over 10 or 12 weeks, depends on airline.

ye i read that somewhere alright if i cant get a plane i will be doing the LONG drive option

Aru

If it is a bulldog I would be very careful about travelling them by plane.Theres a reason that many airlines will no longer carry the poor creatures.They are much more likely to die aboard an aircraft then any other breed due to all the congenital airway issues.

If you are getting a bulldog I would advise doing a serious amount of work I and learn about the health issues affecting the breed-there are a lot of them!Breathing is the obvious one,but skin fold infections issues and allergies as well as issues with their deformed spines need to be considered.
As well as getting insurance.

They do tend to be absolutely lovely dogs and have great charactors.....but having seen this breed of dog struggle again and again and in some cases die under or after operations(vital ones that were attempting to fix their airway problems),despite the best of care and monitoring in the country I would Never advise anyone to get one.Heartache in dog form

yashio

Aru wrote: »

If it is a bulldog I would be very careful about travelling them by plane.Theres a reason that many airlines will no longer carry the poor creatures.They are much more likely to die aboard an aircraft then any other breed due to all the congenital airway issues.

If you are getting a bulldog I would advise doing a serious amount of work I and learn about the health issues affecting the breed-there are a lot of them!Breathing is the obvious one,but skin fold infections issues and allergies as well as issues with their deformed spines need to be considered.
As well as getting insurance.

They do tend to be absolutely lovely dogs and have great charactors.....but having seen this breed of dog struggle again and again and in some cases die under or after operations(vital ones that were attempting to fix their airway problems),despite the best of care and monitoring in the country I would Never advise anyone to get one.Heartache in dog form

thanks for you input i have done my research on health issues and i have made my mind up i am getting a bulldog thank you

Ellis Dee

In my experience, it would have been a lot easier to get Bin Laden into Ireland than a dog. I tried to do it once (take in a dog, not Bin Laden), but the red tape involved was just not worth it for the stay of a couple of months that I had planned for the dog.

I'm working from memory now, but here's a list of some of the things needed (from Finland in my case), but I assume it would be the same from Poland:

1. Rabies serum test, and then another test six months later. In other words, the whole process is going to take at least six months.

2. A microchip of a specific kind (see Department of Agriculture web site http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/pets/ ). Otherwise you will need to have your own scanner with you.

3. All vaccinations entered into a pet passport by a vet, worm and tick treatments shortly before you travel, and a certificate (in the local language and translated into English) from your local veterinary officer.

4. All papers faxed to the Dept. of Agriculture ten days before you travel.

5. When the dog arrives at Dublin Airport, it is taken to the animal hospital in Lissenhall for checking and returned to the airport within one hour. And that will be €200, thank you very much!

Aer Lingus do not carry dogs on European flights. Air France does, but not Paris-Dublin.

The only airline I could find willing to take my dog to Ireland was Lufthansa (via Frankfurt with a four-hour wait there).

I could have flown British Airways to London and taken the ferry from Britain to Ireland, but it seems the ferry operators on the Irish Sea do not take dogs, either.

ISDW

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I could have flown British Airways to London and taken the ferry from Britain to Ireland, but it seems the ferry operators on the Irish Sea do not take dogs, either.

Sorry, completely and utterly untrue. I travel by ferry on the Irish sea frequently with my dogs, as do a lot of other posters on here, I have travelled with Stena and Irish Ferries and Norfolk Line before it was bought out.

OP, the laws on movement of dogs changed on 1st January, it is now much easier to move a dog within the EU, just check out the dept of ag website, it will have all the information on. Now they don't need to wait the 6 months for bloodtests.

Wibbs

Aru wrote:

If you are getting a bulldog I would advise doing a serious amount of work I and learn about the health issues affecting the breed-there are a lot of them!Breathing is the obvious one,but skin fold infections issues and allergies as well as issues with their deformed spines need to be considered.
As well as getting insurance.

They do tend to be absolutely lovely dogs and have great charactors.....but having seen this breed of dog struggle again and again and in some cases die under or after operations(vital ones that were attempting to fix their airway problems),despite the best of care and monitoring in the country I would Never advise anyone to get one.Heartache in dog form

Yea I'd have to agree. It's very sad what's happened to the breed. They're among the worst examples of designed by fashion doggies with all the problems that brings. Though if people want that look and will not be dissuaded by good advice and sense, then the breeders will keep churning them out with these problems. IMHO and of course it is just my HO, I think it's damned close to animal cruelty.

ISDW wrote: »

Sorry, completely and utterly untrue. I travel by ferry on the Irish sea frequently with my dogs, as do a lot of other posters on here, I have travelled with Stena and Irish Ferries and Norfolk Line before it was bought out.

Ditto and no questions asked and no hassle involved. If anything very helpful. The only stipulation was that the dogs had to remain on the car deck in your car, so foot passengers may have an issue, but I don't know about that..

OP, the laws on movement of dogs changed on 1st January, it is now much easier to move a dog within the EU, just check out the dept of ag website, it will have all the information on. Now they don't need to wait the 6 months for bloodtests

Apparently there have been big changes alright according to a UK breeder I know. Much much easier than before.

Davy1020

Ellis Dee wrote: »

In my experience, it would have been a lot easier to get Bin Laden into Ireland than a dog. I tried to do it once (take in a dog, not Bin Laden), but the red tape involved was just not worth it for the stay of a couple of months that I had planned for the dog.

I'm working from memory now, but here's a list of some of the things needed (from Finland in my case), but I assume it would be the same from Poland:

1. Rabies serum test, and then another test six months later. In other words, the whole process is going to take at least six months.

2. A microchip of a specific kind (see Department of Agriculture web site http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/pets/ ). Otherwise you will need to have your own scanner with you.

3. All vaccinations entered into a pet passport by a vet, worm and tick treatments shortly before you travel, and a certificate (in the local language and translated into English) from your local veterinary officer.

4. All papers faxed to the Dept. of Agriculture ten days before you travel.

5. When the dog arrives at Dublin Airport, it is taken to the animal hospital in Lissenhall for checking and returned to the airport within one hour. And that will be €200, thank you very much!

Aer Lingus do not carry dogs on European flights. Air France does, but not Paris-Dublin.

The only airline I could find willing to take my dog to Ireland was Lufthansa (via Frankfurt with a four-hour wait there).

I could have flown British Airways to London and taken the ferry from Britain to Ireland, but it seems the ferry operators on the Irish Sea do not take dogs, either.

Sorry to correct you but from January 2012 any dog/cats coming from a EU country does not have to go to Lissenhall anymore upon arrival - a approved carrier can now arrange for the animals to be released at the airport once the pet passport and all documentation is correct

yashio

Davy1020 wrote: »

Sorry to correct you but from January 2012 any dog/cats coming from a EU country does not have to go to Lissenhall anymore upon arrival - a approved carrier can now arrange for the animals to be released at the airport once the pet passport and all documentation is correct

this is great news saves a lot of money

Davy1020

Yeah its about time as save a fortune for people

Mountainsandh

ISDW wrote: »

Sorry, completely and utterly untrue. I travel by ferry on the Irish sea frequently with my dogs, as do a lot of other posters on here, I have travelled with Stena and Irish Ferries and Norfolk Line before it was bought out.

OP, the laws on movement of dogs changed on 1st January, it is now much easier to move a dog within the EU, just check out the dept of ag website, it will have all the information on. Now they don't need to wait the 6 months for bloodtests.

OP, I'm awfully sorry to latch on to this thread, hope it's ok with you, I have a pet passport question too, and rather than start another thread...?

ISDW I have just checked the Dept of Ag site, since I just got a puppy and want to get him a passport to bring him along to France, and I did have a notion some friends told me there was a 6 months wait. So yes, the 6 months are not mentioned, which is brilliant, they just say 21 days after the rabies vacc minimum, and worming (some hours after), along with paperwork/chip.
My question is, since we go with the camper and sometimes stay over 21 days, is the rabies ok then to go in to France, and ok to come back too ? And would I have to call into a vet in France to re-worm before coming back to Ireland ?
Also, little fella will be just over 7 months by the time we travel, is rabies vaccine administered to young puppies, and what do you guys think about the ferry travel at that age ? The person who visited me from Germany with her dog said the dogs were kept in kennels down near the cars, and you could go and visit them ? Any of you had experience of that, and were the dogs ok ?

Thanks, and sorry again OP for the highjacking, and best of luck with the bulldog !

ISDW

Mountainsandh wrote: »

OP, I'm awfully sorry to latch on to this thread, hope it's ok with you, I have a pet passport question too, and rather than start another thread...?

ISDW I have just checked the Dept of Ag site, since I just got a puppy and want to get him a passport to bring him along to France, and I did have a notion some friends told me there was a 6 months wait. So yes, the 6 months are not mentioned, which is brilliant, they just say 21 days after the rabies vacc minimum, and worming (some hours after), along with paperwork/chip.
My question is, since we go with the camper and sometimes stay over 21 days, is the rabies ok then to go in to France, and ok to come back too ? And would I have to call into a vet in France to re-worm before coming back to Ireland ?
Also, little fella will be just over 7 months by the time we travel, is rabies vaccine administered to young puppies, and what do you guys think about the ferry travel at that age ? The person who visited me from Germany with her dog said the dogs were kept in kennels down near the cars, and you could go and visit them ? Any of you had experience of that, and were the dogs ok ?

Thanks, and sorry again OP for the highjacking, and best of luck with the bulldog !

As far as I understand it, yes, once you have the pet passport, you can go back and forth as often as you like - once all the vaccinations are in date obviously. You will need to have the worming done each time you come back from France but, if just travelling between Ireland and the UK you don't need to worm within that time frame. I think its between 1-5 days before travel. There are some other EU countries that you don't need to worm for, can't remember them all, but Finland is one of them. If you check the Dept of Ag site, or the DEFRA site, if you are going to be coming back through the UK, all the info will be on there.

My vet has done a lot of research, and initially was told by the vaccine companies that a dog couldn't have the rabies vaccine at the same time as other vaccinations or boosters, as it could affect the effectiveness. However, she recently attended a conference in the UK, and the only one that she was recommended not to do at the same time now was the kennel cough and the rabies. However, as I'm a worry wort, I am still leaving it at least 3 weeks between my dogs' boosters and a rabies vacc.

A puppy will be fine with the rabies vaccination I'm sure, its just another annual vacc for the dog to have.

Davy1020

yes agree with the above