Another assault

YumDeiseMum

A young fella stabbed with a screwdriver outside Istanbul last nite.

What the hell is happening to this town ???

kryogen

It is literally full of scum late at night, alright thats a bit much, but the minority of scumbags has grown considerably and the level of violence used has increased from what I see.

The drugs and the recession have not helped matters

giles lynchwood

kryogen wrote: »

It is literally full of scum late at night, alright thats a bit much, but the minority of scumbags has grown considerably and the level of violence used has increased from what I see.

The drugs and the recession have not helped matters

Your forgetting the big one.ALCOHOL.

Faq

just heard on 2fm they caught an 18 year man

giles lynchwood

Gardai are doing a search of Micheal st now looking for a murder weapon wonder if if connected with this assault.

Funfair

giles lynchwood wrote: »

murder weapon.

:eek:

was the guy killed?

allgirlz

Funfair wrote: »

:eek:

was the guy killed?

Don't think so, I heard that he was in hospital on the news. This is not new though, I remember coming out of preachers (showing my age!!) and there would be full scale fights going on every Saturday night, we had to get locked into coney island one night it was so bad. Used to be the same after the Roxy too, I saw some choice goings on after that place and the guards were never anywhere to be seen! They need to have a garda presence in the town at night but seems like things have not changed in that respect.

giles lynchwood

Funfair wrote: »

:eek:

was the guy killed?

I overheard a Garda saying "search for a murder weapon" not sure if it's connected with this assault or another incident not in the media yet.

wellboytoo

I drove through that area last night at 11.30 and there was no one on the streets, like a ghost town, so it was not big crowds caused anything for sure.

Nypd

Saw a right row on johns street last was about 3am, all young lads going hell for leather.
Listening to news reports the age profile fits the stabbing.

YumDeiseMum

'twas purely a case of a scumbag out with a bag of cans and a screwdriver just looking for someone to start on. I mean what normal person carries a screwdriver or a hammer around with them. God be with the days when a fight was fair and the worst would happen would be a black eye or broken nose.

jo06555

YumDeiseMum wrote: »

A young fella stabbed with a screwdriver outside Istanbul last nite.

What the hell is happening to this town ???

Well let's hope the new garda cctv caught all this on camera , they should have s very clear view of Istanbul unless they had it faced up the cork rd or something ....

Professey Chin

allgirlz wrote: »

Don't think so, I heard that he was in hospital on the news. This is not new though, I remember coming out of preachers (showing my age!!) and there would be full scale fights going on every Saturday night, we had to get locked into coney island one night it was so bad. Used to be the same after the Roxy too, I saw some choice goings on after that place and the guards were never anywhere to be seen! They need to have a garda presence in the town at night but seems like things have not changed in that respect.

Tbh this is the case in a lot of areas. There really is fcuk all garda presence in towns in general. If nothing else the sight of them acts as a bit of a deterrent but I dunno if its just down to budget or nobody who calls the shots actually realising this.

jo06555

just heard it on wlr it seems the young lad was stabbed a few times

thomasm

Need to take these feckin scumbags like the hammer guy and screwdriver man and remove them permenanetly from society. They have been and will only be a burden, drain, leech, blight etc on society. No one will miss them and the country will be a better/safer place without them.

membersonly

Can anyone confirm whether it was a phillips or a flat head? I'll take a PM, thanks.

dayshah

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

allgirlz wrote: »

Don't think so, I heard that he was in hospital on the news. This is not new though, I remember coming out of preachers (showing my age!!) and there would be full scale fights going on every Saturday night, we had to get locked into coney island one night it was so bad. Used to be the same after the Roxy too, I saw some choice goings on after that place and the guards were never anywhere to be seen! They need to have a garda presence in the town at night but seems like things have not changed in that respect.

Tbh this is the case in a lot of areas. There really is fcuk all garda presence in towns in general. If nothing else the sight of them acts as a bit of a deterrent but I dunno if its just down to budget or nobody who calls the shots actually realising this.

I'd be happy to pay a few extra percent in tax if it means more Gardaí on the street.

jo06555

membersonly wrote: »

Can anyone confirm whether it was a phillips or a flat head? I'll take a PM, thanks.

Seriously

Professey Chin

dayshah wrote: »

I'd be happy to pay a few extra percent in tax if it means more Gardaí on the street.

Me too but it rarely means that unfortunately

Potential-Monke

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Me too but it rarely means that unfortunately

Get onto the TD's, it's due to the embargo on new recruits and the high number of retirements that there are less Gardai on the street. And especially at 4am you'll have very few on, and they also have to cover the entire Waterford City and parts of the county.

ROCKMAN

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Get onto the TD's, it's due to the embargo on new recruits and the high number of retirements that there are less Gardai on the street. And especially at 4am you'll have very few on, and they also have to cover the entire Waterford City and parts of the county.

OK Thats true and yes incidents and crimes can /will happen in places Hillview ,Cherrymount ,Passage ,Ballyduff etc etc but how often , its a numbers game ,they surely know where the hot spots are i.e town centre , every f**king weekend ...

Its not rocket science....

Potential-Monke

ROCKMAN wrote: »

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OK Thats true and yes incidents and crimes can /will happen in places Hillview ,Cherrymount ,Passage ,Ballyduff etc etc but how often , its a numbers game ,they surely know where the hot spots are i.e town centre , every f**king weekend ...

Its not rocket science....

It's true, it isn't rocket science, a monkey could plan it, but it's down to numbers.

Just like every city centre (usually) every weekend, but you still can't put Gardai there if there are no Gardai to put there... You'll notice some weekends there are more Gardai present at a time than others, it all depends on the amount working and other calls. Some nights could go by with very few calls, other nights could be non-stop, and you can't predict calls.

Nolanger

There was a full moon this week .

Finnbar01

Our problem lies with the courts.

We need proper sentences in this country and concurrent sentences ( in most cases) should be done away with.

We would actually be doing these lads a favour by locking them up for a few years, letting them think about what they've done and saving them from their own actions.

carefulnow100

The victim was a 23 yr old man, stabbed in the face, neck and back. The scumbag who apparently carried out the attack was an 18 yr old. Im not sure if this happened outside Istanbul, I think it was more towards centra. The ambulance crew was working on him in the doorway of mojo after 4 so weather he walked across the street after the attack or what.

There was a man suspected of carrying out the attack arrested shortly after.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0114/waterford.html

This town in gone to sh!t. Are 18 yr old's really walking around with screwdrivers in their pockets. And Ffs he stabbed him in the face and neck. I hope the fukcer is tried for attemted murder. Serious punishment is needed.

jo06555

carefulnow100 wrote: »

The victim was a 23 yr old man, stabbed in the face, neck and back. The scumbag who apparently carried out the attack was an 18 yr old. Im not sure if this happened outside Istanbul, I think it was more towards centra. The ambulance crew was working on him in the doorway of mojo after 4 so weather he walked across the street after the attack or what.

There was a man suspected of carrying out the attack arrested shortly after.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0114/waterford.html

This town in gone to sh!t. Are 18 yr old's really walking around with screwdrivers in their pockets. And Ffs he stabbed him in the face and neck. I hope the fukcer is tried for attemted murder. Serious punishment is needed.

Wont happen this fella will be walking the streets tonight probably after being released and a "file sent to the DPP" :rolleyes: even if he was sent down for attempted murder he would be back on the streets by time he 25 , and he will feel even more invincible and hard man then to cause more trouble ...

Funfair

dayshah wrote: »

I'd be happy to pay a few extra percent in tax if it means more Gardaí on the street.

There's enough carnage on the streets without bringing them in..

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/two-gardai-are-jailed-for-role-in-ferocious-arrest-assault-2927894.html

Finnbar01

Funfair wrote: »

There's enough carnage on the streets without bringing them in..

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/two-gardai-are-jailed-for-role-in-ferocious-arrest-assault-2927894.html

Wow, so two gardai get jailed because of assault and you tar and feather the whole lot of 'em?

Who would you ring if your house was broken into tonight?

carefulnow100

jo06555 wrote: »

Wont happen this fella will be walking the streets tonight probably after being released and a "file sent to the DPP" :rolleyes: even if he was sent down for attempted murder he would be back on the streets by time he 25 , and he will feel even more invincible and hard man then to cause more trouble ...

True, I just find it an absolute disgrace that this man walked around with a screwdriver, and at 4 in the morning decided to put it into another young lads neck.

He has no excuse, a glass bottle could have been picked up of the street, but this lad went out with a dangerous weapon and actually wanted to cause harm.

Scum of the highest order.

Funfair

I'd ring the guy's neck and then maybe the ambulance..


more then 2 Garda, the barracks is a breading ground for headbangers

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/garda-who-rugby-tackled-prisoner-in-cell-denies-assault-2967848.html

Potential-Monke

Funfair wrote: »

I'd ring the guy's neck and then maybe the ambulance..


more then 2 Garda, the barracks is a breading ground for headbangers

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/garda-who-rugby-tackled-prisoner-in-cell-denies-assault-2967848.html

So, ah, 3 Gardai out of approximately 150 is signs of a breeding ground for "headbangers"... Wow. Just, wow. I guess everyone that lives in Waterford then are hurley swinging, screwdriver carrying, hammer using, murdering bastards??? Or am i tarring the whole city with the actions of a few... Must be awful high up on your horse.

As for the case, without discussing the case, i'd imagine the worst he will get will be assault causing serious harm. Unless the victim dies. Very few get tried for murder, or even found guilty of manslaughter. There's an awful lot to prove in murder and manslaughter cases.

Funfair

Potential-Monke wrote: »

So, ah, 3 Gardai out of approximately 150 is signs of a breeding ground for "headbangers"... Wow. Just, wow. I guess everyone that lives in Waterford then are hurley swinging, screwdriver carrying, hammer using, murdering bastards??? Or am i tarring the whole city with the actions of a few... Must be awful high up on your horse.
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actually 5 members of the Waterford Garda out of 150 (your total) were in court for various charges lately.

that's compared to 5 assaults you mention out of 50,000 I think we have more to fear from the guards then the scumbags on your figures don't you :rolleyes:

Finnbar01

Funfair wrote: »

actually 5 members of the Waterford Garda out of 150 (your total) were in court for various charges lately.

that's compared to 5 assaults you mention out of 50,000 I think we have more to fear from the guards then the scumbags on your figures don't you :rolleyes:

You're having a laugh.. right?

Potential-Monke

Funfair wrote: »

Potential-Monke wrote: »

actually 5 members of the Waterford Garda out of 150 (your total) were in court for various charges lately.

that's compared to 5 assaults you mention out of 50,000 I think we have more to fear from the guards then the scumbags on your figures don't you :rolleyes:

Doesn't matter how many were in court, only 3 were convicted.

And I can guarantee you that there's hundreds upon hundreds of assaults that don't make the papers. Not to mention drug offences, driving offences, burglary, criminal damage, sexual offences, thefts, public order, the list goes on. So, you're wrong, you don't have more to fear. But, do everyone a favour and don't ring the guards if you need them, that way they can respond to someone who deserves their help instead.

I'm leaving it at that, too many threads get brought down by these kind of "debates".

Funfair

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Funfair wrote: »

But, do everyone a favour and don't ring the guards if you need them, that way they can respond to someone who deserves their help instead.

Grand

YumDeiseMum

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Our problem lies with the courts.

We need proper sentences in this country and concurrent sentences ( in most cases) should be done away with.

We would actually be doing these lads a favour by locking them up for a few years, letting them think about what they've done and saving them from their own actions.

Agree with you 100% here. To be totally honest and I'm not in any way condoning the guards acting like they are above the law, but it must be so so frustrating to be dealing with the same tramps week in week out, arresting them, building a case and sending them to court, only for the courts to give them a slap on the wrist and send them back out onto the streets to do the exact same thing again and again.

dayshah

The fact that three separate incidents happened, the rugby tackle, the given the fella slaps for peeing, and the turning the camera away (the last two are separate in that the gardaí weren't together at the time, but closely linked) suggests a certain culture developed in the Waterford Barracks amongst at least a minority.

I've never had any trouble with the Gardaí and always found them to be polite and grand. Unfortunately during the boom people had other career options, so the Gardái couldn't pick and choose who they let in the way they could prior to the boom. The Gardaí could probably pick the cream of the crop in terms of recruits at the moment, but the government won't put the money into recruitment and lots of experienced Gardaí (some of the best of them) are taking early retirement.

Unfortunately we'll always have scumbags (and I'm not convinced that in the past it was only ever fists). However the government can control the number of Gardaí. All in all though, I do feel safe when out on a Saturday night.

Manic087

YumDeiseMum wrote: »

Agree with you 100% here. To be totally honest and I'm not in any way condoning the guards acting like they are above the law, but it must be so so frustrating to be dealing with the same tramps week in week out, arresting them, building a case and sending them to court, only for the courts to give them a slap on the wrist and send them back out onto the streets to do the exact same thing again and again.

I honestly think the Court hands are tied as well. Even if they get a sentence they're out again after a few hours cos the prisons can't cope with the numbers. It all comes down to a question of money and basically in this country we don't fecking have any right now!

Bowlardo

lot of comments saying more funding for gardas

why this incident happened outside instanbul for christ sake there should be a garda presence there from 10-4 on a friday/saturday night in my opinion.

I like going out in waterford but there is no denying that there was always an air of menace around place.

Hoffmans

Funfair wrote: »

I'd ring the guy's neck and then maybe the ambulance..


more then 2 Garda, the barracks is a breading ground for headbangers

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/garda-who-rugby-tackled-prisoner-in-cell-denies-assault-2967848.html

why ya linkin pix of suggs there ,dont ya know ya cant act the maggot in the guards house of fun, although the cop went one step beyond cant see him takin the nightboat to cairo anytime s:p:pn...........

SillyMcCarthy

YumDeiseMum wrote: »

Agree with you 100% here. To be totally honest and I'm not in any way condoning the guards acting like they are above the law, but it must be so so frustrating to be dealing with the same tramps week in week out, arresting them, building a case and sending them to court, only for the courts to give them a slap on the wrist and send them back out onto the streets to do the exact same thing again and again.

I know a guy who had a gun put to his head.
Unfortunately the trigger was never pulled but we still live in hope.

To put down these people we need to personally do something about it.
Not to depend on the judiciary because the criminals know their
way about the justice system & it doesn't bother them being sent down.
A guy I know had a car stolen & he took his revenge on the guy who stole it.
There wasn't a Garda within 3 miles of where the incident took place so work it out for yourselves!

Max Powers

This whole knife thing started about 4/5 years ago, it was all over the news in England, it was the ideal time for the Gardai to nip it in the bud here by stopping and searching dodgy lookin people randomly. F-all was done and we will have to wait until some 12 year old/old person/teacher is killed before there is an outcry and something half hearted attempted by those in charge.

Professey Chin

Charged anyway

Man charged with stabbing
An 18 year old man has been charged in connection with a stabbing incident in Waterford City early on Saturday morning.Luke Rio with an address at St Dominicks Court, Bridge St, Waterford was charged under Section 4 of the Non-Fatal Offences against the Person Act and was remanded in custody to appear beforeWaterford District Court tomorrow.Gardai recieved a report that on Saturday morning that a male approached 23 year old Jonathan Milleawith an address at Connolly Place, Waterford and stabbed him 4 times with a screwdriver. Injuries were sustained to the face, neck and two wounds to the back. The suspect Luke Rio was arrested and taken to Waterford Garda Station where he was detained under Section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act and 8pm last night he was charged.Jonathan Millea remains in a critical condition in hospital. Waterford Gardai say If anyone has information or witnessed this incident they would ask them to get in contact with the Garda Station on 051-305300.

Wlr

S28382

i had an altercation with three lads one night outside my gf house they were looking around at houses to break into and i seen them check out the gf house and i challenged them and told them to fcuk off away from the house and two of them pulled out a hammer and a screw driver and the guy with the hammer took a swing at me luckily i was standing beside the green recycle bin and i kicked it at him and stood my ground after a bit of a stand off they went off full of their threats, i knew one of the lads from a place where i used to live and i told him he would be making a big mistake if he did anything and he definitely is a scumbag of the highest order, people like that need to be shown what its like to be the victim, i feel sorry for the guy that got stabbed, waterford scum is rising to a new level and the law cant cope with it, going out for a drink in waterford is like risking your life it aint worth it.

thomasm

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Charged anyway

Man charged with stabbing
An 18 year old man has been charged in connection with a stabbing incident in Waterford City early on Saturday morning.Luke Rio with an address at St Dominicks Court, Bridge St, Waterford was charged under Section 4 of the Non-Fatal Offences against the Person Act and was remanded in custody to appear beforeWaterford District Court tomorrow.Gardai recieved a report that on Saturday morning that a male approached 23 year old Jonathan Milleawith an address at Connolly Place, Waterford and stabbed him 4 times with a screwdriver. Injuries were sustained to the face, neck and two wounds to the back. The suspect Luke Rio was arrested and taken to Waterford Garda Station where he was detained under Section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act and 8pm last night he was charged.Jonathan Millea remains in a critical condition in hospital. Waterford Gardai say If anyone has information or witnessed this incident they would ask them to get in contact with the Garda Station on 051-305300.

Wlr

Gotta hope this is not random and there is a history of some sort behind it

kryogen

Heard a rumour the guy who was stabbed has died, havent been able to validate it yet though

YumDeiseMum

kryogen wrote: »

Heard a rumour the guy who was stabbed has died, havent been able to validate it yet though

That rumour isn't true

RightlyRandom

Same guy (the 18 y/o) was on the run for a few months during the summer, he was supposed to be sent down for something but skipped bail n took off. Never told his family but most of his friends knew where he was cos he kept in touch over Facebook, when he did eventually come back he was locked up did his time but its guys like him who never change think they're 'hard men' n do stupid things. Hope to god the guy who was stabbed is OK, n hope the other guy learn from this major mistake. He deserves everything he gets. SCUM!

jo06555

Any update on the injured man??

Nypd

kryogen wrote: »

Heard a rumour the guy who was stabbed has died, havent been able to validate it yet though

There is always silly rumours about like that, no link, no story

kkdela6

Scumbags wear short prison sentences as badges of honour. F*ckers should be castrated and tortured. If you go out and stab someone or cause any kind of long lasting damage, break into someones home or whatever, you immediately forfeit your rights as far as im concerned