Tipsters - Can They Say What They Like

hucklebuck

Over the last week I have noticed that the time posted on Hugh Taylors website seems to be about 5 minutes before he posted it and when the selections appear the prices are well gone. If this is the case how can he say his record is hundreds of point profit?

This morning I was awake early and was outside the shops before the opened and I went onto betdaq and blue square and pricewises prices were gone already.

Not to mention the ones that say we had a winner at 6/1, yet they picked 3 in the race and they don't display their running total.

I am officially declaring shenanigans on tipsters!!

Big Daddy Cool

to be honest i prefer to do my own homework on horse and hardly ever look at what tipsters predict, because every 1 of them have a different opinion, i do however like gary o'brien on the ATR site, he is usually more right then wrong.

hucklebuck

I do my own research too but I was looking at Hugh Taylors record I was curious to see if he could be arbed but the price has been gone all week.

I am up before 7 during the week and just wake up around then at the weekend as I am used to it, I don't always get the racing post but when I head to the shops early the price is normally gone.

Big Daddy Cool

i see his tip in the 1 o'clock at lingfield is around 4-1, supposedly 11-2 when he put it up.

hucklebuck

Next one to appear in a minute

Big Daddy Cool

prince of thebes 12's from 16's with paddy power. nice price if it wins

hucklebuck

Hugh Taylor tweeted selection due up within 5 minutes, I went to his page and kept hitting refreshing and the page appeared at 10:13 with Prince of Thebes @ 16/1. It displayed as updated at 10:07 so 6 minutes earlier than it did.

I switched tab to betdaq where selection was 10.5 and Ladbrokes were 11/1

Yeah, sure you had +302 last year with fake prices and BOG!!

Colonel Sanders

Pricewise have often had a price advised in the post in the morning that was long gone before the previous day's racing was even finished. Usually at the big spring meetings

Off the top of My head I remember backing Degas Art in the triumph at 10/1 about 3pm the day before. Opened the post the next day & Segal had tipped it at 11/1.

Pj!

Hugh Taylor's column does update at the times displayed.
I spent a bit of time getting on his selections before and of course getting them as early as possible was crucial.
What I learnt was that refreshing a page doesn't necessarily update the page. It may pull it from the cache. There are ways around it and software that can be created to scan the page every second for updates.
You will get on. But the bookies won't like you for long.

Pj!

And as for Pricewise selections, certain bookmakers guarantee prices for a length of time in the morning. You have to learn who.
Plenty of people out there make it their business to get on every morning at advised prices.

hucklebuck

Pj! wrote: »

Hugh Taylor's column does update at the times displayed.
I spent a bit of time getting on his selections before and of course getting them as early as possible was crucial.
What I learnt was that refreshing a page doesn't necessarily update the page. It may pull it from the cache. There are ways around it and software that can be created to scan the page every second for updates.
You will get on. But the bookies won't like you for long.

Saturday was the third time this happened though. I was refreshing and once a minute I went to the home page and clicked his link and then the one in blue at the top of the page.

Do you back on the exchanges or bookies?

hucklebuck

Pj! wrote: »

And as for Pricewise selections, certain bookmakers guarantee prices for a length of time in the morning. You have to learn who.
Plenty of people out there make it their business to get on every morning at advised prices.

The bookie Segal advised best price on did not even have the market up at 6:30, not sure where he was getting the price.

Ok you may get the guaranteed price with the "unmentionable bookies" but do you it?

Curious as to why you don't mention the bookies concerned.

Harry Angstrom

I watch Mark Winstanley every week on RPTV. To be fair to the guy he's tipped a couple of winners over the past few weeks, but what annoys me about him is when they review his tips from the previous week and how he talks about laying off his losers on Betfair during the race, so he seems to make a profit on every single race he bets on, even if his selection is tailed off. I'm surprised he's not lying on a beach in the Bahamas right now after retiring early on all those races where he tipped losers but still made a profit. :rolleyes:

By the way, I gave up following Hugh Taylor because it's virtually impossible to get on at his advised prices. As soon as the tips are up, the prices are slashed. Happens most of the time.

Pj!

hucklebuck wrote: »

The bookie Segal advised best price on did not even have the market up at 6:30, not sure where he was getting the price.

Ok you may get the guaranteed price with the "unmentionable bookies" but do you it?

Curious as to why you don't mention the bookies concerned.

Did you do any research on this?
Have a look here. It's all under the bookmaker policy.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/tipping/


You can 'call shenanigans' on a lot of so called tipsters but Pricewise and Hugh Taylor simply look at the odds available and point out what is worth backing. Both show very good profits.
What more do you want them to do?

sting60

kijl

Huntey

sting60 wrote: »

Talking about poor tipsters and false advertising I think Kieran O Connell of the Star is in a league of his own.

Could be worse, he could tip up horses after they have won.

hucklebuck

Pj! wrote: »

Did you do any research on this?

Didn't know where to.

Pj! wrote: »

Have a look here. It's all under the bookmaker policy.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/tipping/

Thanks.

Pj! wrote: »

You can 'call shenanigans' on a lot of so called tipsters but Pricewise and Hugh Taylor simply look at the odds available and point out what is worth backing. Both show very good profits.
What more do you want them to do?

To me looking at the odds available means they are available, certainly with Hugh's column the 6 minute lag looks suss, whether the guys who post his column fill their boots before they post it is not beyond the realms of possibility.

thesandeman

They have to take down Hughs page while they are updating it.
Its possible the time shown is the time they start typing so that might explain some of the delay.
I also find that Ladbrokes hold their early price for about 10 minutes longer than the others so if Im backing HTs I usually go straight there rather than trying to catch which ever bookie he has recommended.
I might lose a point or so but Boyles, PP etc. would have the recommended price cut by 3 or 4 anyway by the time you get to them. It really pisses me off if I catch the price and then the 'price change alert' comes up when I hit place bet 20 seconds after Hugh has put up his selection.

Colonel Sanders

FWIW Hugh Taylor tipped Tatanen at 16/1 today. No idea what time it went on the website but the price was available this morning for a few hours if Oddschecker history is anything to go by

maalummoja

still have to rate him, 6/1 winner nass on saturday and had a few across the water. they are all the same though. try do my own homework.

thesandeman

Looks like my post above about the timing was correct.
Good interview with Hugh on 'fulltimebettingblog.com' in which he explains the procedure. Sorry but I cant linky from phone.