Unsure of the validity of this, but obviously a Madrid Fan..

thebullkf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhYU_znLSRk

DoctorGonzo08

thebullkf wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhYU_znLSRk

Haha love it. But it really doesn't matter what proof you put forward, the simple understanding and explanation you get is always the same.

When an English team are found to dive or cheat, it is disgracful and unacceptable.

When Barcelona (and Spain for that matter) do it, it's clever football.

Them are the breaks. Have given up even arguing about this and just accepted it.

Professional Griefer

Bloody good footballers though.

Warper

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Haha love it. But it really doesn't matter what proof you put forward, the simple understanding and explanation you get is always the same.

When an English team are found to dive or cheat, it is disgracful and unacceptable.

When Barcelona (and Spain for that matter) do it, it's clever football.

Them are the breaks. Have given up even arguing about this and just accepted it.

Its more like when an English team does it, it is because the foreigners brought it in.

Fr Tod Umptious

Warper wrote: »

Its more like when an English team does it, it is because the foreigners brought it in.

It's called 'anticipated contact'.

DoctorGonzo08

Warper wrote: »

Its more like when an English team does it, it is because the foreigners brought it in.

Picking on that comment and not the other just confirms my point.

The_Kew_Tour

Warper wrote: »

Its more like when an English team does it, it is because the foreigners brought it in.

That kinda confirms what he was trying to say though:p

Mr. Presentable

Looks more like a Chelsea fan to me judging by his other videos.

DoctorGonzo08

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Looks more like a Chelsea fan to me judging by his other videos.

Would make sense giving the focus on the Chelsea game. The one that was more frustrating would have been the Arsenal game.

thebullkf

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Looks more like a Chelsea fan to me judging by his other videos.

i didn't check his others, thanks for correcting me though....

CongoPowers

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Would make sense giving the focus on the Chelsea game. The one that was more frustrating would have been the Arsenal game.

which one? when Van Persie was sent off? what did Barça do other than totally outplay Arsenal in that game?

they can't control the referee's decisions. if they could, Abidal would have stayed on against Chelsea, Diego Milito's goal would have been rightly ruled offside and Bojan's would have stood. or had a penalty when Ibrahimovic's shirt was ripped lolol.

every team has players guilty of diving. and surrounding the referee. tbh, I just find it funny that English teams are seen to be any better with regards to these things. you come to just accept the antics at this stage, though. when I watch MOTD and see crazy diving, asking the refs for cards etc, I don't even take notice anymore because that's just how all football teams behave now.

a big meh to the whole thing. would like it to change, but it won't.

astonaidan

Ah lads its long known Barca are the most overprotected team in the world, I abousletly hate Barca cause they get away with murder and then play up over everything, They are the least classy team in the world and it sickens me when the sheep fans jump on the im a barca fan bandwagon

LuckyLloyd

Nothing new here. Cheats gonna cheat. And Barcelona players / fans gonna have no problem with unmanly behaviour. 'But their football is the prettiest' is all they care about.

elefant

astonaidan wrote: »

Ah lads its long known Barca are the most overprotected team in the world, I abousletly hate Barca cause they get away with murder and then play up over everything, They are the least classy team in the world and it sickens me when the sheep fans jump on the im a barca fan bandwagon

I seriously don't know where this has started to come from recently. Mourinho claiming Barca are helped by referees when I, and many other fans of Spanish football, have been tearing our hair out for years with the amount of decisions that go Real Madrid's way in league games.

Barca aren't any more protected, they're just better.

DoctorGonzo08

CongoPowers wrote: »

which one? when Van Persie was sent off? what did Barça do other than totally outplay Arsenal in that game?

they can't control the referee's decisions. if they could, Abidal would have stayed on against Chelsea, Diego Milito's goal would have been rightly ruled offside and Bojan's would have stood. or had a penalty when Ibrahimovic's shirt was ripped lolol.

every team has players guilty of diving. and surrounding the referee. tbh, I just find it funny that English teams are seen to be any better with regards to these things. you come to just accept the antics at this stage, though. when I watch MOTD and see crazy diving, asking the refs for cards etc, I don't even take notice anymore because that's just how all football teams behave now.

a big meh to the whole thing. would like it to change, but it won't.

Seriously? I take it you are a Barca fan so because that game was Barca at their worst in the first half. Alves & Valdes in particular were a disgrace.

What goes around comes around, and I'm not saying Barca always have the refs decision, Milito's goal is a prime example of how Barca can get stung too. But to say Barca don't do it, or are not the worst offenders is a little on the biased side. I think it is as a result of the best team in the world doing it that so many others are doing it too. Don't underestimate the influence Barca has on football, both negative and positive. It is no coincidence that the adoption of possession football and 4-5-1 has become so popular since Barca have perfected it.

carlcon

They've been at this long before Jose took over at Madrid, so it's got nothing to do with him complaining... we've been talking about these cheats for years.

But as has been said... they're talented cheats, so it's ok.

RandolphEsq

elefant wrote: »

I seriously don't know where this has started to come from recently. Mourinho claiming Barca are helped by referees when I, and many other fans of Spanish football, have been tearing our hair out for years with the amount of decisions that go Real Madrid's way in league games.

Barca aren't any more protected, they're just better.

Last night case point example, Ronaldo should've been sent off but the ref was at the Bernabeau so bottled it. He then goes and scores twice to sink Athletic Bilbao.

SlickRic

Madrid are over-protected too.

you just don't see it as much in the Clasicos for instance, because Madrid are too must trying to brutalise Barca.

Barca playact, and yes it's unsavory, but guess what, the vast majority of footballers do it, so getting on the high horse about one team just because they're excellent at football (which is the only reason people are REALLY getting on their back)m is hilarious.

i'd prefer my team to be over-protected pansies than cynical, hatchet-men tbh.

Red Crow

I'd disagree that Madrid are being over protected. The referee was fair enough overall last night. Maybe Ronaldo's should of been sent of for being a d1ck but Kaka, Benzema, Ozil all can take a pen too.

Also the referee gave some atrocious decisions against Madrid too but Athletic Club bottled lots of good chances last night.

Lass should of walked too last night so I can see where people are coming from.

Mr. Presentable

carlcon wrote: »

They've been at this long before Jose took over at Madrid, so it's got nothing to do with him complaining... we've been talking about these cheats for years.

But as has been said... they're talented cheats, so it's ok.

Thread going off on a tangent, but this is not unique to Spain. Man U have for years been at the benefit of questionable decisions, as have Juventus, Inter, Liverpool, Marseilles. Which dog barks the louder scares the handler more.

Oh, and I think the video is unrepresentative, invalid.

Hulk Hands

SlickRic wrote: »

Barca playact, and yes it's unsavory, but guess what, the vast majority of footballers do it, so getting on the high horse about one team just because they're excellent at football (which is the only reason people are REALLY getting on their back)m is hilarious.

No they don't. Look at the premier league, there are very few cases of high profile players who playact every so often (Suarez, Nani etc) and they get chastised very regularly for it. The majority of the Barca players are at it. Look at that video, and count how many of them were acting up. And remember, that was only 3/4 games that was shown, they're at it all year round.

LuckyLloyd

SlickRic wrote: »

Madrid are over-protected too.

you just don't see it as much in the Clasicos for instance, because Madrid are too must trying to brutalise Barca.

Barca playact, and yes it's unsavory, but guess what, the vast majority of footballers do it, so getting on the high horse about one team just because they're excellent at football (which is the only reason people are REALLY getting on their back)m is hilarious.

i'd prefer my team to be over-protected pansies than cynical, hatchet-men tbh.

There is a lot of professional football being played outside of the Premiership and La Liga.

As for the last sentence, what the **** is the difference? You're cheating either way.

RasTa

I'm also fed up of hearing this "premiership players do it" argument as it's not the case. Although Albrighton did make a meal out of a stamp yesterday but very rarely do we see players going down holding their faces, rolling around the floor when no contact was made.

Just imagine how many rolls Messi, Pepe, Busquets etc would have completed if Ballotelli had of stamped on them like Parker.

Even Nani is turning into a hard mofo

dfx-

astonaidan wrote: »

Ah lads its long known Barca are the most overprotected team in the world, I abousletly hate Barca cause they get away with murder and then play up over everything, They are the least classy team in the world and it sickens me when the sheep fans jump on the im a barca fan bandwagon

One booking or maybe two I think...a sustained, shared hack job on mostly one player. And before Mourinho too. Sneijder, Drenthe, Ramos several times, Gago..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAOZDdGj6rI

If diving stops that sort of attack or the one below, then I'm all for it for any team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-k8NNeb3Kk

Pepe, Marcelo, Ramos as ever, Alonso, Arbeloa, Di Maria

RasTa

dfx- wrote: »

One booking or maybe two I think...a sustained, shared hack job on mostly one player. And before Mourinho too. Sneijder, Drenthe, Ramos several times, Gago..



If diving stops that sort of attack or the one below, then I'm all for it for any team.



Pepe, Marcelo, Ramos as ever, Alonso, Arbeloa, Di Maria

Are you joking? I watched all the first and 2mins of the second and seen one nasty rake on the back of Messi and the rest was nothing you wouldn't see on any given weekend anywhere,

dfx-

They're not acceptable challenges, whether you see them everywhere or not.

RasTa

dfx- wrote: »

They're not acceptable challenges, whether you see them everywhere or not.

So ban tackling then? I've no clue what point you are trying to make.

LuckyLloyd

dfx- wrote: »

They're not acceptable challenges, whether you see them everywhere or not.

Would you prefer if we banned sliding tackles at the top level then? Or physical contact entirely? Futsal on grass is what you're after, right?

dfx-

Drenthe's kick at Messi wasn't a sliding tackle, neither was Gago' or Sneijder's or several of Arbeloa's in the second clip or Ramos or Pepe. Alonso's tackle in the second video was probably the nearest to a sliding tackle that was near the ball.

They were just kicking the opponents. And only getting the odd yellow card. So Barcelona were not protected.

LuckyLloyd

dfx- wrote: »

Drenthe's kick at Messi wasn't a sliding tackle, neither was Gago' or Sneijder's or several of Arbeloa's in the second clip or Ramos or Pepe. Alonso's tackle in the second video was probably the nearest to a sliding tackle that was near the ball.

They were just kicking the opponents. And only getting the odd yellow card. So Barcelona were not protected.

So two wrongs make a right?

DoctorGonzo08

dfx- wrote: »

Drenthe's kick at Messi wasn't a sliding tackle, neither was Gago' or Sneijder's or several of Arbeloa's in the second clip or Ramos or Pepe. Alonso's tackle in the second video was probably the nearest to a sliding tackle that was near the ball.

They were just kicking the opponents. And only getting the odd yellow card. So Barcelona were not protected.

What is all this about protection for Barca?? Are you saying every team just go out and hack lumps out of Barca players the entire game? You swear they were made of porcelan judging by the fans defence and players theatrics.

LuckyLloyd

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

What is all this about protection for Barca?? Are you saying every team just go out and hack lumps out of Barca players the entire game? You swear they were made of porcelan judging by the fans defence and players theatrics.

Oh man, you didn't get the memo! You're not allowed to foul Barca ever, or impose any manner of physical pressure on them. Infact, anything other than standing back and admiring their short passes is downright evil, and indicative of a neanderthal approach to football. If you don't agree with this completely, then you are obviously in favour of leg breaking tackles and inflicting career ending injuries.

You're welcome.

dfx-

No, that Barcelona are not protected as per "we all know they're the most overprotected team out there". And some of those tackles are identical to the tackle that Ujfalusi that got a red card and Messi's ankle that swelled up. Or indeed van Persie tried it last year too.





Let's not pawn them off as things you'd see everywhere and hence being ok or sliding tackles.

DoctorGonzo08

I just find it odd that the majority of Barca fans on here are using every excuse to justify their playacting, without every standing by their decision either. It is either Barca need protection, or jump from one extreme to another. Can you not agree that play acting, like Barca have and regularly do is wrong, embaressing and has as little a part of the game as the stomp by Pepe, or the kick tackle by Carvalho. You don't have to be either a hatchet team or a team of faires. You can be in the middle and just play football.

RasTa

dfx- wrote: »

They were just kicking the opponents. And only getting the odd yellow card. So Barcelona were not protected.

Hmmmm, actually there is no point.

DoctorGonzo08

dfx- wrote: »

No, that Barcelona are not protected as per "we all know they're the most overprotected team out there". And some of those tackles are identical to the tackle that Ujfalusi that got a red card and Messi's ankle that swelled up. Or indeed van Persie tried it last year too.





Let's not pawn them off as things you'd see everywhere and hence being ok or sliding tackles.

Of course not. It's only Barca that recieve swollen ankles. Sure Silva wasn't out for City because of bruising to his ankle, but then again he didn't roll the length of the pitch either. Ben Arfa & Stuart Holden didn't have their legs shattered (I know its not as severe as a swollen ankle but still). The point is that none of these players have felt it necessary to play act to 'protect' themselves. They just get on with the game and let the ref do his job.

dfx-

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Of course not. It's only Barca that recieve swollen ankles. Sure Silva wasn't out for City because of bruising to his ankle, but then again he didn't roll the length of the pitch either. Ben Arfa & Stuart Holden didn't have their legs shattered (I know its not as severe as a swollen ankle but still). The point is that none of these players have felt it necessary to play act to 'protect' themselves. They just get on with the game and let the ref do his job.

Yeah, maybe you're right, Ujfalusi shouldn't have been sent off. The referee was clearly over-protective by issuing a red card. It was a fair 'tackle', sure it was only a swollen ankle, it's only bad if it's a shattered leg or something you wouldn't see elsewhere every weekend. In fact, he should've given a free out to Atletico Madrid and booked Messi for simulation like that he gets away with every week against these heroic defenders 'tackling' him.

karma_

dfx- wrote: »

One booking or maybe two I think...a sustained, shared hack job on mostly one player. And before Mourinho too. Sneijder, Drenthe, Ramos several times, Gago..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAOZDdGj6rI

If diving stops that sort of attack or the one below, then I'm all for it for any team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-k8NNeb3Kk

Pepe, Marcelo, Ramos as ever, Alonso, Arbeloa, Di Maria

Some of those tackles on Messi are closer to assaults.

DoctorGonzo08

dfx- wrote: »

Yeah, maybe you're right, Ujfalusi shouldn't have been sent off. The referee was clearly over-protective by issuing a red card. It was a fair 'tackle', sure it was only a swollen ankle, it's only bad if it's a shattered leg or something you wouldn't see elsewhere every weekend. In fact, he should've given a free out to Atletico Madrid and booked Messi for simulation like that he gets away with every week against these heroic defenders 'tackling' him.

Exactly what I'm saying!

Did you not see the part I have said about extremes? Obviously not. To say Barca are the only ones who recieve those tackles is just plain stupid. To stand by their play acting is just ridiculous. It can be seen in no other way than blatant cheating. If you want to take pride in that part of Barcas game, more power to you. You obviously haven't a clue about the sport at all.

Guy:Incognito

Two team loads of divers argueing over who's the biggest team of divers.

dfx-

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Did you not see the part I have said about extremes? Obviously not. To say Barca are the only ones who recieve those tackles is just plain stupid. To stand by their play acting is just ridiculous. It can be seen in no other way than blatant cheating. If you want to take pride in that part of Barcas game, more power to you. You obviously haven't a clue about the sport at all.

I'm not really defending their playacting.

I originally quoted the nonsense that Barcelona are the most over-protected team - look it's there 10 or so posts into the thread. I showed examples where Barcelona are kicked up and down the pitch with impunity and regularity against Madrid. There was one red card shown in all those challenges similar to Ujfalusi's that saw a straight red.

Pepe wasn't even booked for the assault 0:40 in to the CdR final clip. If Barcelona were over-protected, there'd be more red cards.

CongoPowers

astonaidan wrote: »

Ah lads its long known Barca are the most overprotected team in the world, I abousletly hate Barca cause they get away with murder and then play up over everything, They are the least classy team in the world and it sickens me when the sheep fans jump on the im a barca fan bandwagon

bitter.

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Seriously? I take it you are a Barca fan so because that game was Barca at their worst in the first half. Alves & Valdes in particular were a disgrace.

What goes around comes around, and I'm not saying Barca always have the refs decision, Milito's goal is a prime example of how Barca can get stung too. But to say Barca don't do it, or are not the worst offenders is a little on the biased side. I think it is as a result of the best team in the world doing it that so many others are doing it too. Don't underestimate the influence Barca has on football, both negative and positive. It is no coincidence that the adoption of possession football and 4-5-1 has become so popular since Barca have perfected it.

didn't Arsenal fail to get a shot on target in that game?

I don't really mind about the Milito goal or any of the other crazy calls, because they go against every team at one stage, depends on the referee. also never said Barça don't have players guilty of diving, think I said the opposite actually, saying pretty much every team do.

as for Barça influencing other teams diving etc, can't really take that point seriously, no offense intended.

it's like talk of United being helped at home for years, obviously they have players guilty of cheating (for lack of better word), but for sure they've had bad calls given against them as well, sometimes due to opposition players cheating.

this same stuff was said about Madrid early noughties, the great Milan side after that (although they were guilty of trouble at home lol), it's normal for the team dominating to be criticized in this kind of way.

and again, it's lunacy to carry on as if English sides are any better. part of the modern game unfortunately. everywhere.

Davaeo09

I had typed out a really long post explaining the two sides of this coin. But it really comes down to this..

Barca, like the majority of top sides in soccer right now, have SOME squad members who do dive. It is a problem with the sport in general, and some thing needs to be done to stop it.

This thing of exclusively blasting Barcelona for a widespread issue only serves to highlight the bitterness of some posters on here.

Davaeo09

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Can you not agree that play acting, like ALLOT of teams have and regularly do is wrong

Fixed that for you...
If you feel the need to mention Barcelona in particular your making your argument sound like a vendetta.

Bodhisopha

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

I just find it odd that the majority of Barca fans on here are using every excuse to justify their playacting, without every standing by their decision either. It is either Barca need protection, or jump from one extreme to another. Can you not agree that play acting, like Barca have and regularly do is wrong, embaressing and has as little a part of the game as the stomp by Pepe, or the kick tackle by Carvalho. You don't have to be either a hatchet team or a team of faires. You can be in the middle and just play football.

Hello, i guess you could consider me a Barca fan, or fanboy if you would prefer. I think the play acting is justified in some of the games in which Real have set out to play particularly dirty, it's not pretty but it's the best tactic to employ in such a scenario. It's Real who invariably set the standard in such games, it's them who prefer not to play football. Barca would obviously prefer a good clean game of football and run in clear winners as they did in the league meeting at Camp Nou between the two last season. Clearly a good old fashioned game of football suits Barca.

To say they regularly do it is incorrect and you obviously have an agenda most likely fueled by foaming at the mouth jealousy. Of course there are isolated incidents in Barca games just like there are in any game in any league across the world. You are taking exceptional circumstances and applying them across the board like many others have done.

I suggest you quit your silliness, stop being such an ingrate and praise the footballing gods for the greatest team you are ever likely to see in your lifetime.

SlickRic

1) i'm not a Barca fanboy - i've had many run-ins with some very pro-Barca people on this forum.

2) i prefer their "cheating" to Madrid's hatcheting, simply because one doesn't seek to physically harm the opponent.

Barca act like clowns with some of their playacting, but most footballers in the major leagues do it in some form. that's a fact. it doesn't excuse it, but it's a part of the game.

i don't want physicality out of the game at all. but i don't see the need for the bullying tactics Madrid use. you can be in your face, high tempo, high pressure on the opposition without trying to kick them off the pitch. that is not football, and anyone who pretends it is is fooling themselves because of their own disdain, or jealousy, of Barca's success tbh.

be physical without going about it like a classless bully, like Liverpool used to do in it's Rafa pomp (i'm using that example because I'm a Liverpool fan, and it's the first that comes to mind; there are many, many other examples).