Criminal Law Defence and Dwelling Act 2011

suicide_circus

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0113/home.html
So this new act comes into force today, we now all have a legal right to defend our homes against intruders. About time!

Dear scumbags,

I have my trusty shillelagh at the ready, come get some!

Regards,
Householder.

Sindri

suicide_circus wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0113/home.html
So this new act comes into force today, we now all have a legal right to defend our homes against intruders. About time!

Dear scumbags,

I have my trusty shillelagh at the ready, come get some!

Regards,
Householder.

Challenge Accepted.

Plazaman

Wooohooo, now I can still cower in fear in my wardrobe secure in the knowledge that I could kill the drug crazed maniacal burglar downstairs if I wanted too.

suicide_circus

Plazaman wrote: »

now I can still cower in fear

With that softcock attitude I suspect you spend much of your life doing that.

Duggy747

Now I can set up my traps like Home Alone!

Cee-Jay-Cee

I'm oiling up my trusty 12bore as we speak!

Caoimhín

I wasn't waiting for Alan Shatter to give me permission to defend my family and home from intruders.

o1s1n

Caoimhín wrote: »

I wasn't waiting for Alan Shatter to give me permission to defend my family and home from intruders.

I don't think anyone was.

But at least now you don't have to worry about the aftermath.

Jamesyrp007

Will this reasonable force allow home owners to get firearms for home defense.. People who own guns have an unfair advantage for defense if they can use them..
I'm getting a 12 gauge soon, but love to declare my true intentions for use..

quinnie123ie

I think reasonable force = not beating them to a pulp, pretty much only doing what is necessary to detain or remove them... personally i think you should have full rights to do whatever you please if you are protecting your castle and family within...

(i have personal experience of trying to protect my home and got charged and convicted for dislocating one of the potential intruders noses in my driveway)

can anyone please give a proper definition of "reasonable force" from a legal view point????

membersonly

This was posted on one of the regional boards I read aswell.

Peoples reactions to it are hilarious, rejoicing as if it's going to affect their day to day life. Almost willing their house to be broken into so they can unleash their own brand of justice.

I wonder what they'd actually do if confronted with a burglar.

Big Nasty

Jamesyrp007 wrote: »

Will this reasonable force allow home owners to get firearms for home defense.. People who own guns have an unfair advantage for defense if they can use them..
I'm getting a 12 gauge soon, but love to declare my true intentions for use..

If you have a legally registered shot gun and someone breaks in to your house and is threatening your life then it's cool to shoot them, and now it's legal too!

quinnie123ie

membersonly wrote: »

This was posted on one of the regional boards I read aswell.

Peoples reactions to it are hilarious, rejoicing as if it's going to affect their day to day life. Almost willing their house to be broken into so they can unleash their own brand of justice.

I wonder what they'd actually do if confronted with a burglar.

You need to remember a burglar is going to be equipt with at least a screw driver or a crow bar of sorts, and will also be full of adrenolin from the fear of getting caught... i also heard a new tactic is that they boil the kettle and leave it at the bottom of the stairs in case anyone comes down... i think guns are a bit extreme, but we should be allowed go beyond reasonable force... I might get a crossbow the next time i am abroad

SEPT 23 1989

Thank you Pádraig Nally

Tabnabs

Lots of misinformation going on both here and in the media in general, if you want some sensible advice on why this legislation makes little difference in reality and may actually be more restrictive, a good interview with a Senior Council on the radio yesterday

http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A3166052%3A83%3A12-01-2012%3A

Skip on to about 45 mins.

Stiffler2

Excellent, just placed an order for a mace and a samuri sword.
Looking forward to the legalised murder.

Now, just looking out my curtains here for a sales caller.

membersonly

quinnie123ie wrote: »

You need to remember a burglar is going to be equipt with at least a screw driver or a crow bar of sorts, and will also be full of adrenolin from the fear of getting caught... i also heard a new tactic is that they boil the kettle and leave it at the bottom of the stairs in case anyone comes down... i think guns are a bit extreme, but we should be allowed go beyond reasonable force... I might get a crossbow the next time i am abroad

Gonna assume you quoted my post by accident there.

Eric Cartman

'reasonable force' , i would consider it very reasonable to kill anybody who came into my house to rob me

AngryPensioner

Eric Cartman wrote: »

'reasonable force' , i would consider it very reasonable to kill anybody who came into my house to rob me

I agree. Once that the use of force is clearly propagated throughout the nation:eek:

hooradiation

Eric Cartman wrote: »

'reasonable force' , i would consider it very reasonable to kill anybody who came into my house to rob me

Fortunately, what you think doesn't really matter.

El Weirdo

Tabnabs wrote: »

Lots of misinformation going on both here and in the media in general, if you want some sensible advice on why this legislation makes little difference in reality and may actually be more restrictive, a good interview with a Senior Council on the radio yesterday

http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A3166052%3A83%3A12-01-2012%3A

Skip on to about 45 mins.

Quit yer sense-talking!

I'm gonna shoot me some scumbags! Yeeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaaaaw!

Biggins

o1s1n wrote: »

I don't think anyone was.

But at least now you don't have to worry about the aftermath.

To be honest, we did previously as there is a ruling that already touches upon this area: http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/23fd4a34bad801d980256ec50047a0a8/aded5c6b04f391478025725d00516c14?OpenDocument

Stiffler2

El Weirdo wrote: »

Quit yer sense-talking!

I'm gonna shoot me some scumbags! Yeeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaaaaw!

regardless of the law if anyone broke into me house I'd murder them & then bury them in the mountains ( after pi$$ing on their corpses first )

johnr1

Does anyone know if this "obligation to retreat if possible" bullcrap has been taken out ?

I don't think I'd be worrying about the finer points of the law in the event of being confronted by a burglar, I'd be figuring out if he/I were better armed, and if I could take him or not.

Fromthetrees

I think I'd just want the bad man to go away if I was on my own.
My daughter sleeps with me though and if I thought she was in danger even for a second I would try to kill the intruder, I don't care what the law says now or before or in the future, if my girls in trouble he's getting the claw hammer until he isn't moving, I keep it in my wardrobe.

Manic Moran

johnr1 wrote: »

Does anyone know if this "obligation to retreat if possible" bullcrap has been taken out ?

It was never there to begin with. This law is really political show boating, it just codifies already extant common law. At least, I guess, it rectifies some misconceptions.

NTM

Phenomenally Phrank

Huzzah!! Decent, respectable Folk 1, Ruffians O!

The_Minister

This legislation changes nothing.

woodoo

Lets play shoot the burglar.

Anonymous2020

johnr1 wrote: »

Does anyone know if this "obligation to retreat if possible" bullcrap has been taken out ?

I don't think I'd be worrying about the finer points of the law in the event of being confronted by a burglar, I'd be figuring out if he/I were better armed, and if I could take him or not.

Yes, it has been removed.:cool:

westendgirlie

Am I allowed to chop their thieving fingers off?
Then I"ll stick a chopped off digit in each nostril, each ear and a thumb up the bum.

Let the burgling commence!!!

Cicero

westendgirlie wrote: »

Am I allowed to chop their thieving fingers off?
Then I"ll stick a chopped off digit in each nostril, each ear and a thumb up the bum.

...as long as its "reasonable force"...I believe the answer is yes....