Archibishop of Granada Legitimates Rape

CiaranMT

Those crazy Catholics are at it again...

Javier Martinez, Archibishop of Granada, trying to outdo his dear pontiff:

Source

Spanish bishop legitimates rape

The Archbishop of Granada, Javier Martinez, said in his Christmas sermon that it was acceptable for women who have had an abortion to be raped.

Author Manuel António Pin expresses his outrage in the daily Jornal de Notícias: "The Spanish Church won't let anyone dissuade it from its intolerant traditions. ... After [Prime Minister] Mariano Rajoy, who is close to the Church, announced his intention of 'extirpating the putrid secular abortion law' that was passed under Zapatero's government I was given a copy of a Christmas sermon delivered by the Archbishop of Granada in which he says that 'a woman who has an abortion gives a man absolute licence to abuse her body without restrictions because she has committed a sin as if she had a right to do so'. ... For the Archbishop Hitler's and Stalin's crimes (he forgot Franco's) were 'less dreadful than abortion'. In such situations even a non-believer wishes there was a God to condemn these people."

(Emphasis mine)

Source for those who speak-a-the-Portuguese

Original Sermon

krudler

jesus fcuking christ...

RachaelVO

He's clearly as daft as a bag of drenched cats...

Dangerous all the same!

Dermighty

Women are bitches.

MagicSean

That doesn't say anything about rape

Homer

Rape is such a strong word.. Prefer the "struggle snuggle" myself..

rainbow kirby

What the fúcksticks.

jcf

Should be under the hazards of belief thread.

Once again Religion shows us how it poisons people's minds..

passarellaie

CiaranMT wrote: »

Those crazy Catholics are at it again...

Javier Martinez, Archibishop of Granada, trying to outdo his dear pontiff:

Source



(Emphasis mine)

Source for those who speak-a-the-Spanish

Original Sermon

You are a complete liar and troll.This so called original piece for those that speak the Spanish(what an asshole) IS IN PORTUGUESE

Duggy747

Fùcking hell, if you came out with this sort of comment while you represented a business you'd have your ass fired out the door in seconds.

CiaranMT

passarellaie wrote: »

You are a complete liar and troll.This so called original piece for those that speak the Spanish(what an asshole) IS IN PORTUGUESE

Apologies, I picked this up from A&A. :pac:

So, no, I'm not a liar. Neither am I multilingual. Please calm your jets on the troll-calling.

passarellaie

Duggy747 wrote: »

Fùcking hell, if you came out with this sort of comment while you represented a business you'd have your ass fired out the door in seconds.

THE Clareman has been on something Biddy Earley gave him.He quotes us the original version which turns out to be in Portuguese.The Spanish left that part of the Iberian peninsula 300 years ago.Hes simply a provocateur

MagicSean

Is "legitimates" even a real word?

passarellaie

CiaranMT wrote: »

Apologies, I picked this up from A&A. :pac:

So, no, I'm not a liar. Neither am I multilingual. Please calm your jets on the troll-calling.

So what are you quoting stuff for when you dont even know what language its in.you are just another little Anti Catholic asshole.Do you work for the Times or RTE by any chance

Scamaill

Not again..



(Emphasis mine)

Source for those who speak-a-the-Portuguese

Original Sermon[/QUOTE]

admiralofthefleet

rape was always legal as far as the catholic cult was concerned

the original sermon is spanish...
the other source is portugese

CiaranMT

MagicSean wrote: »

Is "legitimates" even a real word?

Yes....?

passarellaie wrote: »

So what are you quoting stuff for when you dont even know what language its in.you are just another little Anti Catholic asshole.Do you work for the Times or RTE by any chance

Reported.

I am pie

Maybe check the article before launching a flame war ; )

Date - 2009 , language Portuguese. Spaniards involved = 0.

mikom

passarellaie wrote: »

you are just another little Anti Catholic asshole.

Nice one......

My name is URL

Well this is going well so far

passarellaie

Scamaill wrote: »

Not again..



(Emphasis mine)

Source for those who speak-a-the-Portuguese

Original Sermon

[/QUOTE]

Where does it say what the little RTE boy said it did

ejmaztec

passarellaie wrote: »

So what are you quoting stuff for when you dont even know what language its in.you are just another little Anti Catholic asshole.Do you work for the Times or RTE by any chance

Don't hold back on our account.

passarellaie

passarellaie wrote: »

Where does it say what the little RTE boy said it did

http://www.eurotopics.net/en/home/presseschau/archiv/article/ARTICLE98503-Spanish-bishop-legitimates-rape

in the first link he gave, if you weren't so busy hurling abuse

CiaranMT

passarellaie wrote: »

Where does it say what the little RTE boy said it did

I only wish I was on one of those big fat RTÉ salaries.

passarellaie

bluewolf wrote: »

http://www.eurotopics.net/en/home/presseschau/archiv/article/ARTICLE98503-Spanish-bishop-legitimates-rape

in the first link he gave, if you weren't so busy hurling abuse

I asked to show us in the original Spanish version not what some RTE boy translated. show us

billymitchell

Bloody jesuits!!

ejmaztec

passarellaie wrote: »

I asked to show us in the original Spanish version not what some RTE boy translated. show us

I thought you said it was Portuguese?

Delirium

passarellaie wrote: »

I asked to show us in the original Spanish version not what some RTE boy translated. show us

There's a link to the Spainish version in the opening post of the thread.

passarellaie

passarellaie wrote: »

I asked to show us in the original Spanish version not what some RTE boy translated. show us

it's in the fcuking OP

tigger123

passarellaie wrote: »

I asked to show us in the original Spanish version not what some RTE boy translated. show us

Is this thread touching a nerve perchance?!

Corkfeen

passarellaie wrote: »

I asked to show us in the original Spanish version not what some RTE boy translated. show us

Bringing the tone down as per usual. There's not a global conspiracy against christianity, it's not out fault that they make these absurd statements. :pac:

Pace2008

passarellaie wrote: »

THE Clareman has been on something Biddy Earley gave him.He quotes us the original version which turns out to be in Portuguese.The Spanish left that part of the Iberian peninsula 300 years ago.Hes simply a provocateur

Tut tut... insulting and outright hating anyone who happens to disagree with your point of view. Honestly, what do you think Jesus would make of that?

passarellaie

bluewolf wrote: »

it's in the fcuking OP

Show us where if you know show us

nozzferrahhtoo

passarellaie wrote: »

Where does it say what the little RTE boy said it did

From what I hear the main focus of the objection to the Bishops statements comes from lines like "Eso le da a los varones la licencia absoluta, sin límites, de abusar del cuerpo de la mujer". Essentially what the Bishop is saying is that since the woman has ravaged her own body (by engaging in abortion) that this gives other people license to ravage her body too.

My own Spanish and Portuguese are both poor so I can add nothing more than this, but this does appear to be the crux of the ire people are directing at it. Hope that helps.

DrumSteve

In terms of random quotes that don't make much sense"... a woman who has an abortion gives a man absolute licence to abuse her body without restrictions because she has committed a sin as if she had a right to do so" ranks up there with "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

ejmaztec

Pace2008 wrote: »

Tut tut... insulting and outright hating anyone who happens to disagree with your point of view. Honestly, what do you think Jesus would make of that?

He would have wept.

28064212

passarellaie wrote: »

Show us where if you know show us

From the OP's link to the original sermon (was the text "Original Sermon" too hard to find?):

El mundo puede llamarlo estupidez. Yo le llamo valor. Pero matar a un niño indefenso, ¡y que lo haga su propia madre! Eso le da a los varones la licencia absoluta, sin límites, de abusar del cuerpo de la mujer, porque la tragedia se la traga ella, y se la traga como si fuera un derecho: el derecho a vivir toda la vida apesadumbrada por un crimen que siempre deja huellas en la conciencia y para el que ni los médicos ni los psiquiatras ni todas las técnicas conocen el remedio.

I'd like to see the reaction of the congregation..

passarellaie

DrumSteve wrote: »

In terms of random quotes that don't make much sense"... a woman who has an abortion gives a man absolute licence to abuse her body without restrictions because she has committed a sin as if she had a right to do so" ranks up there with "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

What he says in the context of the paragraph is that the mother killing her own baby is as bad as man abusing her without limits.
I dont agree with him but thats the context its in

nozzferrahhtoo

ejmaztec wrote: »

He would have wept.

Hard to say how he would have reacted to this particular issue given his own existence was said to have been predicated on an impregnation that was not invited and likely not entirely consensual. Or at least that is the story she used as a likely cover up for something like "I cheated on you with someone else from the carpenters guild and I got knocked up. I just can not say no to a man with a long piece of wood."

it doesn't say "as bad as", it says "gives men the license, without limits, to"

CiaranMT

passarellaie wrote: »

What he says in the context of the paragraph is that the mother killing her own baby is as bad as man abusing her without limits.
I dont agree with him but thats the context its in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX9BNzaaFmY

Benny_Cake

passarellaie wrote: »

DrumSteve wrote: »

In terms of random quotes that don't make much sense"... a woman who has an abortion gives a man absolute licence to abuse her body without restrictions because she has committed a sin as if she had a right to do so" ranks up there with "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

What he says in the context of the paragraph is that the mother killing her own baby is as bad as man abusing her without limits.
I dont agree with him but thats the context its in

It's a pity you didn't read it first and then post that instead of abusing other posters? You're not exactly giving a good impression of the Catholic Church.

28064212

passarellaie wrote: »

What he says in the context of the paragraph is that the mother killing her own baby is as bad as man abusing her without limits.
I dont agree with him but thats the context its in

That is not what he says. "Eso le da a los varones la licencia absoluta...." means "That gives men the absolute licence to...".

Where in the paragraph I quoted does he use a comparison?

CiaranMT

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Hard to say how he would have reacted to this particular issue given his own existence was said to have been predicated on an impregnation that was not invited and likely not entirely consensual. Or at least that is the story she used as a likely cover up for something like "I cheated on you with someone else from the carpenters guild and I got knocked up. I just can not say no to a man with a long piece of wood."

Quality. A1 sir!

The Internet Explorer

Delusions, delusions everywhere,

Call me an asshole I don't care,

Something something, something there,

Something else but something where.

Biggins

If what the Bishop said is true as some are reading it - its:

1. Very stupid.
2. Tries to say that one persons 'wrong' - makes a another persons actions totally right?
3. Further shows how much little Rome knows about its own people they award in higher and higher organisational status.

...And thats just some thoughts of mine to begin with.

IF true - as someone else rightly pointed out - if anyone said this in any other day/night job, they arse would be fired big time - and rightly so.

mikom

passarellaie wrote: »

The Archbishop of Granada, Javier Martinez, said in his Christmas sermon that it was acceptable for women who have had an abortion to be raped.

That's it, I'm never watching coronation street again.

MagicSean

I read it as " A woman who has had an abortion has desecrated her body and made it into a tool of sex as opposed to a tool of procreation."

Nothing at all to do with non-consensual sex.

MagicSean

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I could read it as 'I like cake' if I wanted to, that wouldn't make it true though.

That's similar to what the journalist did.