NQT Induction Year in England

lestat21

Hi, I'm in the process of applying to a school in England for the first time.

Since graduating, I have only worked in Adult Education so Im nowhere near completely the required 300 hours experience required by the teaching council. Does this mean that I will have to complete a NQT induction year in England??

I've already been in touch with the school I'm applying to at the moment, and they're willing to employ someone for a NQT induction year. I just want to know if this is my only option. I've read online that some English teachers have had very bad experiences in this year!

raytray

Presume you did the dip in Ireland? If so, you cannot do the NQT induction year in the UK to be a fully qualified teacher. You can do it for CPD but it will not get you QTS in the end. You must satisfy the requirements of the country that you trained in. Therefore, if you were to get a job in the UK, once you do your 300 hours, you send the form off to the Irish TC, get fully qualified, then the English TC recognise you as qualified too. I would just make the school aware that this is the situation as they probably don't know this...my school didnt anyway.

lestat21

raytray wrote: »

Presume you did the dip in Ireland? If so, you cannot do the NQT induction year in the UK to be a fully qualified teacher. You can do it for CPD but it will not get you QTS in the end. You must satisfy the requirements of the country that you trained in. Therefore, if you were to get a job in the UK, once you do your 300 hours, you send the form off to the Irish TC, get fully qualified, then the English TC recognise you as qualified too. I would just make the school aware that this is the situation as they probably don't know this...my school didnt anyway.

Thats absolutely brilliant advice. When you were applying to your school did you explain the situation as part of the application or at interview??

raytray

No I didn't because I didn't know the situation at that stage! My school said they would sort it out but all they did was try get me to do the NQT year so I rang the GTC myself and found out that it was pointless. However, if I was you I would let them know. It may stand in your favour as it costs the school money for the NQT year and also they won't have to give you 10% extra planning time which is another + for them. I know the planning time may seem nice but if you do the NQT year you will need it!

roly84

Hi, I qualified in Irleand and like you I came to England to gain my 300hrs.
The england systems says that when you qualify as a teacher either though a PGCE (like our Hdip) or the GTP (on the job training - not available in Ireland) then you have to complete a NQT year (newly qualified teacher) before you are recognised.
This involves hours of observations, comlpiling a huge folder of observations/strategies/self refection and such (almost like the Hdip alover again!). I am an NQT mentor for some NQT's in my school and I feel really sorry for them! NQT are on a lower payscale than qualified teachers.
When I came over 2 other friend of mine did also. We got jobs in 3 different schools. None of us had to do an NQT year and all 3 of us got signed off with the teaching council of Ireland after our first year.
DO NOT accept an NQT job as they just want to pay you less and you will have more to do!!
I recommend getting a job in a Catholic school as they look favouably on Irish teacher. Also before you take a job make sure you read the Ofsted report for the school (Normally found on the school website). School are rated from 1-4 1 being outstanding 4 beind unsatisfactory.
Honestly, they are worth a look. DO NOT go to a school that is a 4 or has been in their last few ofsteds! thread carefully when the school is a 3.
Also don't take a job over the phone - they are desperate!!! If they are a decent school worth going to, they will fly you over for an interview.
I have been here for 4 years now in 2 different schools and the opportunity for promotion is fantastic. I made deputy head in maths in 2 years over here. I am delighted with my C.V now but more delighted to be moving home in July.
The pay is about 60% of what it is at home and the work load is MENTAL -'most'/'Some' students are difficult and challenging and you need to have a though skin if you pick the wrong school.
It is a different system completly than home and takes adjusting to!
Choose wisely and enjoy.
If you need any more info let me know.

raytray

Yes totally agree. I work in a Catholic school and not only do the Catholic schools look favourably on Irish teachers but the working conditions and student behaviour are very good also.
I actually got hired as an NQT at the time (but then it transpired that I wasn't one!) but my place were so good they put me on pay point 3! And I knew at the interview that it was going to be a good place to work. As you said as well, good places pay for the airfare which mine did and paid for my hotel.
Have to disagree about ofsted. If its secondary school I wouldnt work there if behaviour was below a 2!
If you don't mind me asking roly are you just leaving your job in the UK without having one at home? That's one think that annoys me over here- having to give so much notice before you leave.

roly84

Yes, unfortunately I am moving home without a job. I think that will be the only way of doing it because as you say, you have to give so much notice, and in Ireland jobs are advertised one week, interviews the next week and starting the following week!
I would ideally have gone home at Christmas but I need to save money to tie me over until I find a job when I get home.
I am also actually looking into maybe going to Oz so I am researching teaching over there and getting my qualifications recognised so that could be an option:)

raytray

I know. I'm pretty much in the exact same boat, except I'm looking into the middle east if all else fails!

E Fahey

Hi, I had read the above thread and I am interested in moving to England when I finish my hdip in July to get my dip done. I have read that you said not to say you are an NGT because it has to be done through the irish teaching council. Will a school still take you on if you say that? Did you just apply for jobs online and travel over for an interview?

It would be great to hear back,

E

anniejay

Under the new Teaching Council of Ireland Regulations all newly qualified teachers must complete a period of induction. This means attending 12 two hour sessions at a local Education Centre. This is called the NITP programme and runs throughout the year on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday nights. Once you have completed your 300 hours teaching and attended your 12 sessions you are eligible for full registration (QTS) in Ireland which means you are also eligible for QTS in the UK once the Teaching Council has signed you off.
Unfortunately if you are teaching in the UK to get your 300 hours(as most of us are - there being NO jobs at home - is anyone on the Teaching Council aware of that???) you can't make any of the 12 sessions. I asked the Teaching Council about this and they said they are "aware" of this and "had a few phone calls" and "maybe" will look at the option of making the 12 sessions available online "in the future"!!!!! When pressed on this they were so vague it was a waste of time talking to them.
So, if any of you out there want to avoid doing an NQT year in the UK (like having to do the Dip all over again and which is recognised by the Teaching Council for Registration in Ireland - and would prefer to be treated on the same basis as those lucky enough to get a job at home- WOULD YOU CONTACT THE TEACHING COUNCIL AND ASK FOR A SUMMER COURSE FOR IRISH TEACHERS IN THE UK!!!
COMPLAIN!!!
BOMBARD THEM!!
THIS IS NOT FAIR! Tel: Teaching Council of Irealnd: LoCall 1890 224 224 or +353 (0)1 651 7908
Email: postprimaryregistration@teachingcouncil.ie

troubledlady

Hi, sorry I am probably asking/repeating what has already been stated above but I'm a bit confised. I'm just finished my hdip in Ireland and have applied for a job in Harlow, Essex through an agency called Uteach. I had a phone interview with the school today and they have offered to fly me over for an interview and pay for my hotel. Anyway I have not completed my 300 hours for the teaching council or the 12 hour sessions at a local education center. Does this mean I will be considered an NQT in the UK and have to complete all the folders, observations and self reflection as outlined above? Thank you.

StrawberryJazz

Ok this is absolute madness. What is worse is that nobody seems to be informed of the same thing.
Firstly, I was employed by an English school having finished my degree but not the induction year requirements of the country in which I was educated (300 hours and workshops yadda yadda) so please take the job. Earn the money and the experience. Take the job.

Secondly, you can absolutely, 100% gain QTS working abroad. I have a letter from both Ruari Quinn's office and my local TD telling me that I do not have to attend the workshops if I receive professional development in England. The ITC are full of crap. Why is nobody strident about their rights? You've worked damn hard to get that teaching degree, and some bureaucratic idiots are trying to keep their jobs relevant by forcing these workshops on you. Hired full time, I completed 300 hours by November. By February my school had formally observed me four times and I attended twelve after school workshops (at the school that lasted 1 hour) that were much more relevant to my professional development than anything provided by the TC. They were convient to attend, at my school and were over by 4:15pm. My headteacher signed Form B for me and I got my QTS in Ireland and the UK by the end of February.

You can absolutely do your NQT year in another country. Why aren't you insisting on your right to a decent livelihood? The Irish Government and the ITC have failed us in providing legitimate work. Under current conditions you may get your QTS in Ireland in four or five years, but if another country will provide you with the work for the next few years, the ITC have no right to disregard that experience just because they have no petty control over it.
If you do not complete 300 hours in the next 3 years they have the right to void your teaching qualification. This is the point you have to bring up and be firm with about. Seriously, what happened to standing up for what you believe in? Hassle your local TD and the Minister of Education stridently into confirming that earning a living is something they need to support. It worked for me.

mel84

raytray wrote: »

Presume you did the dip in Ireland? If so, you cannot do the NQT induction year in the UK to be a fully qualified teacher. You can do it for CPD but it will not get you QTS in the end. You must satisfy the requirements of the country that you trained in. Therefore, if you were to get a job in the UK, once you do your 300 hours, you send the form off to the Irish TC, get fully qualified, then the English TC recognise you as qualified too. I would just make the school aware that this is the situation as they probably don't know this...my school didnt anyway.

Hi ray,

No you are wrong on that, the induction year IS recognised by the Irish Teaching Council and if you do your induction year with a mentor in the UK, you are also exempt from the workshops in Ireland I got a perm job with a school in the UK through a small company called KS education- u can find them on fb at

rebel girl 15 wrote:

Hey

what agency did you go through? I'm with one atm, but want to switch, don't think they are working well for me tbh

Hi ! Sorry I took so long to reply! There is a small agency that only deal with permanent posts they are called KS Education their link is https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ks-Education/347091222063694 the Irish girls that run the office in Ireland are great I really recommend them-