childminding costs

childminderxx

Hi I was wondering how much is the going rate for a childminder to look after 2 children in the childrens home?
I think 8euro is alot as that would bring it up to 380euro for the week even though i know my friend gets 420euro for the week but thats nearly someones wages.. Im not on social welfare and i dont like parents telling me to go on it. im not going on it as if i get caught like... so i also need a decent wage as well to live on like.. im 20 years old and have qualifications in childcare.
thank you

Alanerin218

childminderxx wrote: »

Hi I was wondering how much is the going rate for a childminder to look after 2 children in the childrens home?
I think 8euro is alot as that would bring it up to 380euro for the week even though i know my friend gets 420euro for the week but thats nearly someones wages.. Im not on social welfare and i dont like parents telling me to go on it. im not going on it as if i get caught like... so i also need a decent wage as well to live on like.. im 20 years old and have qualifications in childcare.
thank you

I honestly have no idea what they are supposed to charge anymore... I did some child minding years ago (just moved to galway and haven't found a child minding job here yet tho) and I only charged less than 150 a week, since that is what I can make and still be on the dole. But also I have no training as a child minder, just love kids and they tend to like me as well, but I was a child minder for a good few years!

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Be careful with childminders and make sure they are HSE registered. Ring the HSE and they will send you out a list and phone around to see what the average price is.

childminderxx

you should go onto galway advertiser theres always people looking there..

galwegians

a lot of people i replied to for childminding vacancies only pay 5 euro a hour and expect you to do all the housework as well as mind the children,

bet they wouldent work for five euro an hour.

childminderxx

galwegians wrote: »

a lot of people i replied to for childminding vacancies only pay 5 euro a hour and expect you to do all the housework as well as mind the children,

bet they wouldent work for five euro an hour.

No they wouldnt, i applied for a job 3 days a week minding 3 kids and she was offering 10euro an hour.. unfortunatly i didnt get it prob someone said theyd do it for less.. but the parents think that hey your on the dole i shouldnt pay u as much.. like i rang this woman she was looking for a childminder for 5 days a week it was 45 hours and she was offering 200euro for the week!!! she said well im paying u cash u can sign on, thats highly illegal like.. plus it doesnt pay me to sign on as id be only getting 70 a week..

Lola92

It depends on a few things. If you are minding the children in their own home then you are treated as an employee of the parents. They have to pay you at least minimum wage (8.65 an hour) plus PRSI contributions etc.

If it is in your own home then you can earn up to €15,000 per year with out having to register as self employed with revenue afaik. You might need to take out public liability insurance though to be covered and be registered. You can set what ever price you want - reflecting if it was a regular job or a one off, if you are providing food etc.

childminderxx

there are no parents out there that is willing to pay 8.65 an hour.. well none that I have seen except the lady that was offering 10euro an hour.. like when i got my first job i was only getting for 4.50an hour but than i asked her for more and she said the best she could do was 6euro an hour but i got 66 euro a day but unfortunatly that ended.. but there was a woman looking for a childminder and expexted me to work 14hours a day for 60euro!! thats crazy like and that was just 3 days a week.. so 42 hours for 180euro.. i obv said no but all parents say the same thing why dont u go on the dole... that should be an excuse to pay me a **** wage..

Lola92

Well regardless of what they might like to pay you, if you are working for them in their home then they are legally obliged to pay you minimum wage as an employee. As you have said yourself you can't claim for the dole and work without declaring it to the social welfare as it would affect your payments.

I used to get €10 an hour but that was for babysitting the odd night out and not regular set hours which was reflected in the money I was paid. It really astounds me sometimes how little money people are willing to pay for the care of their children - their most important possessions!

Also would the parents be willing to pay you bank holidays and other paid holidays that they get from work? Other wise you might find yourself without any income for weeks during the summer and around Christmas etc. If I were you I would get all of this agreed and in writing maybe with how much notice you would each expect to be given if the arrangement were to come to an end.

Something worth considering anyway.

childminderxx

ya no parents are going to pay bank holidays or days off etc.. its very unfair.. thats why im looking for work as a nanny now as id get alot more money

tatli_lokma

Lola92 wrote: »

Well regardless of what they might like to pay you, if you are working for them in their home then they are legally obliged to pay you minimum wage as an employee.

I don't think you have this right...as far as I know the childminder is the one who should be registering themselves as self employed and paying their own PRSI, tax etc. Its not the parents - they are not your employers in the sense you mean, they are contracting you to provide a service in their home in the same way as you conract a builder or a cleaner etc. They are paying for a service, it is different from paying a wage. Very few parents are going to go through the formal hassle of setting themselves up as an employer and providing a contract and paying PRSI and all that the regulations entail.

A childminder is a self employed person, and as such can charge whatever they want for that charge, they are not subject to €8.65 minimum wage for themselves (this would only be an issue if they hire staff themselves and have to pay them). If you chose not to register yourself and go down that route then unfortunately you can't really negotiate much in the way of pay per hour - the parent will pay what they can afford. Also, even if you don't claim dole, if revenue found out you were getting income from childminding and not declaring it they could audit you. for the money you are talking about its not worth it, as on the rates you quote you would not earn enough to have a tax liability. So if you are not claiming dole then it would be worth registering properly with revenue as self employed.

It also means that if you ever do want to go down the road of claiming dole, it will be easier to explain what you have been doing for the last however many years.

Lola92

Little Ted wrote: »

I don't think you have this right...as far as I know the childminder is the one who should be registering themselves as self employed and paying their own PRSI, tax etc. Its not the parents - they are not your employers in the sense you mean, they are contracting you to provide a service in their home in the same way as you conract a builder or a cleaner etc. They are paying for a service, it is different from paying a wage. Very few parents are going to go through the formal hassle of setting themselves up as an employer and providing a contract and paying PRSI and all that the regulations entail.

A childminder is a self employed person, and as such can charge whatever they want for that charge, they are not subject to €8.65 minimum wage for themselves (this would only be an issue if they hire staff themselves and have to pay them). If you chose not to register yourself and go down that route then unfortunately you can't really negotiate much in the way of pay per hour - the parent will pay what they can afford. Also, even if you don't claim dole, if revenue found out you were getting income from childminding and not declaring it they could audit you. for the money you are talking about its not worth it, as on the rates you quote you would not earn enough to have a tax liability. So if you are not claiming dole then it would be worth registering properly with revenue as self employed.

It also means that if you ever do want to go down the road of claiming dole, it will be easier to explain what you have been doing for the last however many years.

That would be correct if you were using staff through a childminding or nannies agency, as you would be availing of a service. Or indeed if they were running a childminding business from their own home. But if you take on someone to mind children in your home then you are classed as there employer. This is taken from Childminding Ireland :

Should I pay my Childminder's PRSI and deduct income tax?
A Childminder who minds children in her/his own home is self-employed and liable for their own tax / PRSI. However, if the minder minds children in your home the Childminder is deemed to be an employee and you must pay all relevant tax and Social Insurance contributions.

Moonbeam

Little Ted wrote: »

I don't think you have this right...as far as I know the childminder is the one who should be registering themselves as self employed and paying their own PRSI, tax etc. Its not the parents - they are not your employers in the sense you mean, they are contracting you to provide a service in their home in the same way as you conract a builder or a cleaner etc. They are paying for a service, it is different from paying a wage. Very few parents are going to go through the formal hassle of setting themselves up as an employer and providing a contract and paying PRSI and all that the regulations entail.

A childminder is a self employed person, and as such can charge whatever they want for that charge, they are not subject to €8.65 minimum wage for themselves (this would only be an issue if they hire staff themselves and have to pay them). If you chose not to register yourself and go down that route then unfortunately you can't really negotiate much in the way of pay per hour - the parent will pay what they can afford. Also, even if you don't claim dole, if revenue found out you were getting income from childminding and not declaring it they could audit you. for the money you are talking about its not worth it, as on the rates you quote you would not earn enough to have a tax liability. So if you are not claiming dole then it would be worth registering properly with revenue as self employed.

It also means that if you ever do want to go down the road of claiming dole, it will be easier to explain what you have been doing for the last however many years.

That is incorrect.
You employ the childminder in your home as your employee. Minimum wage applies and you pay their prsi.

If your children go to the childminders home then their earning up to 15k are tax exempt and they pay their own prsi.

tatli_lokma

apologies - misread OP - I thought they were doing it in their own home...eventhough I now realise OP was clear on it! I didn't read it properly, its late, I'm tired, I should be in my bed before I give more incorrect advice! apologies!

childminderxx

oh i wish parents did pay minimum wage be so much handier..
Little Ted its all okay