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Shooting at night with a lamp

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Im yet to come accross this garda you speak of homer. Got a name? Pm me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 offalyvoere22


    gearoidol wrote: »
    garv123 wrote: »
    • You need permission from the landowner.
    • Dont fire in the direction of a road, house or livestock.
    • You cant shoot from a vehicle.
    • As regards distance from road, everyone says different and the english law is 60 feet. Dont think it mentions it in irish law, but im sure you can use common sense.
    • Caliber doesnt matter as long as you're sure of your backstops.


    Told the uncle who shoots with years today that u are allowed shoot at night barring the above conditions and he point blank refused to believe me.He rang the local seargent in front of me and seargent said "absolutely nobody allowed shoot at night except wildlife rangers".

    Where does that put me as i shoot in the same region as this seargent if he ever catches me out at night lamping?
    When i applied my silencer i told the firearm officer i need it for shooting at nite and lamping.she said no problem work away.i think it depends on the garda


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    What it all boils down to is the simple fact that firearms regulations and their use is a fairly detailed field of knowledge that only represents a small fraction of a very busy Garda's workload.

    As a consequence it's probably not a service priority either so every once in a while a bit of mutual understanding and courtesy goes a long way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    When i applied my silencer i told the firearm officer i need it for shooting at nite and lamping.she said no problem work away.i think it depends on the garda


    Nope it doesnt, the garda in the Op's situation are wrong. Simples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Ghost.


    Two or three men in a vehicle.

    What if the man holding the lamp from the vehicle is not in posession of his firearm? But another passenger in the same vehicle is in posession of his own firearm.

    Sure the man with the lamp cannot be considered to be hunting as he has no firearm. And the man with the firearm cant be deemed to be using a lamp for hunting as he is not using a lamp.

    Is that right or wrong?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Ghost. wrote: »
    Two or three men in a vehicle.

    What if the man holding the lamp from the vehicle is not in posession of his firearm? But another passenger in the same vehicle is in posession of his own firearm.

    Sure the man with the lamp cannot be considered to be hunting as he has no firearm. And the man with the firearm cant be deemed to be using a lamp for hunting as he is not using a lamp.

    Is that right or wrong?

    Wrong unfortunately.

    According to the definitions in the act, searching for fauna is considered hunting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 offalyvoere22


    Vegeta wrote: »
    Ghost. wrote: »
    Two or three men in a vehicle.

    What if the man holding the lamp from the vehicle is not in posession of his firearm? But another passenger in the same vehicle is in posession of his own firearm.

    Sure the man with the lamp cannot be considered to be hunting as he has no firearm. And the man with the firearm cant be deemed to be using a lamp for hunting as he is not using a lamp.

    Is that right or wrong?

    Wrong unfortunately.

    According to the definitions in the act, searching for fauna is considered hunting.


    Tell me this,if im out lampin and garda happins to see the lamp and come over,dose he or she have the power to seize my firearm ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    Tell me this,if im out lampin and garda happins to see the lamp and come over,dose he or she have the power to seize my firearm ?

    Are you breaking the law? or do they spot you in the middle of a field you have permission to be in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 offalyvoere22


    garv123 wrote: »
    Tell me this,if im out lampin and garda happins to see the lamp and come over,dose he or she have the power to seize my firearm ?

    Are you breaking the law? or do they spot you in the middle of a field you have permission to be in?

    Iv a legal firearm,legal silencer,permissions and no houses for well over 500 meters. Everyone has a differant answer to this question .evan the garda i deal with says work away but reading this tread she seems to be wrong. I just wanna know if they can seize my gun or not.cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Ghost.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ghost. viewpost.gif
    Two or three men in a vehicle.

    What if the man holding the lamp from the vehicle is not in posession of his firearm? But another passenger in the same vehicle is in posession of his own firearm.

    Sure the man with the lamp cannot be considered to be hunting as he has no firearm. And the man with the firearm cant be deemed to be using a lamp for hunting as he is not using a lamp.

    Is that right or wrong?


    Wrong unfortunately.

    According to the definitions in the act, searching for fauna is considered hunting.
    So if what you say is correct, according to the definition of the act all bird watchers and nature watchers are in fact hunting!
    As are any farmers checking their livestock at night with a lamp from a vehicle. They would technically be breaking the law if they did so from a vehicle.
    It wouldnt surprise me if that was the case.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Tell me this,if im out lampin and garda happins to see the lamp and come over,dose he or she have the power to seize my firearm ?

    If you have:

    Permission to be where you are.
    All licenses in order.
    Not doing something illegal like lamping deer etc.
    Not shooting from the road.

    Then I don't see how they can take it from you. I think you can be told to "move on" though.

    I've been stopped a fair few times on my way to and fro by the long arm of the law, also while geared up in a field after crossing one field to another. Conversation usually goes like this:

    Guard: Evenin, what ya at?
    Me: Howdy, just out after a few foxes.
    Guard: Have you got a license for that yoke?
    Me: Yep, want to see it?
    Guard: No/yes (usually no).
    Guard: Who's land are you on:
    Me: Joe Bloggs.
    Guard: Does he know you're here at this?
    Me: Yep.
    Guard: You have a license for that?
    Me: Yep, still have it :D Want to see it?
    Guard: Ah, no, see any fox yet? There's a lad I see crossing the road regular near Seamus' house around 2am..... etc.

    Once you're not acting the bollix out and about, and you're not acting the bollix with them they're grand.

    Only sticky point is when someone else has been acting the bollix out and about and they're P'd off about calls to the station. Cos it's hard to prove you're not the bollix to a fella who see's lamping as only a nuisance.

    As they say in the films "Just act normal" :D They're only out doing a job.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Tell me this,if im out lampin and garda happins to see the lamp and come over,dose he or she have the power to seize my firearm ?
    Hunting is not just the act of shooting. Hunting is infact the enitre process of searching for and shooting at quarry. So using a lamp from a vehicle is the same as (legally) shooting from a vehicle - ie not allowed.

    Now the only time a Garda can seize the firearm is if they believe you to be causing reckless endangerment. I'm paraphrasing here.
    Ghost. wrote: »
    So if what you say is correct, according to the definition of the act all bird watchers and nature watchers are in fact hunting!
    No.

    Bird watchers by the very defintion are watching birds, and not searching for them for the purposes of shooting them - ie. hunting. There is a law regarding the photograohing of wildlife that i'm not overly familiar with but will try and find it.
    As are any farmers checking their livestock at night with a lamp from a vehicle. They would technically be breaking the law if they did so from a vehicle..
    Again no.

    The purpose is not for hunting. I mean a farmer is not going throught the fields, "lamping" his livestock for the purpose of hunting it. Now if he was out shining a light on his livestock and had a rifle/shotgun in the car e moght have a harder time explaining his actions.

    Nobody is saying its not slightly daft. However there are instances when its is allowed (whether legally or by the deiscretion of any Garda on the scene) and others when it is not allowed. That is why certain laws are vague. It leaves the final say with the Garda in question.


    The simple fact is this.
    • Shooting form a vehicle whether on a road, moving, stationary, in a field, etc is illegal.
    • Lamping from a vehicle is also illegal.
    If in doubt, stop, put feet on the ground, and have yourself covered.
    Also this has come up again, and again with different distances, etc.
    .............but to stay legal you need to go into the field to shoot(60 yards now mesured in meters or so they say.
    I know thats from the NARGC website, and for safety reasons i'm not going to say "ignore" it, but as the only (vaguely) related law states 60 feet (18mtrs/20yards/), and this has not been amended since it still stands.

    Of course, as said before, if anyone can find anything new or some amendment to this i'd happily like to be corrected.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Ezridax wrote: »
    No.

    Bird watchers by the very defintion are watching birds, and not searching for them for the purposes of shooting them - ie. hunting. There is a law regarding the photograohing of wildlife that i'm not overly familiar with but will try and find it.

    Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

    The hunting definition specifically makes allowances for bird watchers and photographers.
    but does not in this Act include stalking, attracting, searching for or lying in wait for any fauna by an unarmed person solely for the purpose of watching or of taking or making photographic or other pictures, and kindred words shall be construed accordingly;

    Also fauna are defined as wild animals and as livestock are not wild animals then farmers would not be breaking the law checking their stock with a lamp from a vehicle


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    So there ya have it lads your "just checkin the stock" for the farmer........






    Joke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭Spunk84


    So there ya have it lads your "just checkin the stock" for the farmer........

    Joke

    :D i think we have a loophole Lads :eek: seriously if your stopped or a gard happens upon you at night whilst lamping. Stay calm, relax and be truthful with them.Usually they know who owns the land or the farmer so if you start lying or making up things they will go to town on you.Been pulled by gards a few times and it always ends up showing them how to call a fox in:p ...Most of them are human and actual have never seen someone lamping before. I always ask them do they want to go off for a half hour and lamp which usually breaks the tension:cool:

    If they tell you to move one then do so! Doesn't mean you cant drive around the other side of the field and lamp back to your original position again.


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