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Price of my Service!! Correct or incorrect??

  • 07-01-2012 7:33pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭


    Hi guys,

    I got my 2005 VW Passat serviced today (full service). The total price is €300. Just wondering if this is about the norm?

    I got the following done:
    • Front Brake Pads
    • 2 Dipped headlight bulbs
    • 1 Brake bulb
    • 2 fuses for rear brake lights
    • Oil Filter, plugs etc
    • Oil Change
    • 2 wiper blades
    • Usual checks, e.g lights, coolant etc etc
    Garage rang me with the price earlier. Not collecting the car until Monday so won't see bill until then. Just want to know if this is the going rate roughly?

    Thanks in advance!!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    • Oil Filter, plugs etc

    You sure they did the plugs??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Bernardas


    Its looks like you brought your car to autorised Super Puper diller workshop.Wrong place.Places like this usaly could change only bulbs and pads.No more than that.And has nice woman on reception desk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Looks fairly reasonable to me. You could pay €40 for the wipers alone. Don't know how much the pads would be put I'd guess with fitting you wouldn't any change out of €100. That leaves €160 for the rest so it looks cheap to me. I know bulbs and fuses cost next to nothing but it still takes time to fit them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Bernardas


    veetwin wrote: »
    Looks fairly reasonable to me. You could pay €40 for the wipers alone. Don't know how much the pads would be put I'd guess with fitting you wouldn't any change out of €100. That leaves €160 for the rest so it looks cheap to me. I know bulbs and fuses cost next to nothing but it still takes time to fit them.

    Pads 25 euros max.2 bulbs 4 euros.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Bernardas wrote: »
    Pads 25 euros max.2 bulbs 4 euros.


    Fitted?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    If you have /any/ sort if DIY capability at all you should be checking your own lights and fuses and fixing them as you go. No doubt they'll charge you for washer fluid too, the biggest con in servicing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    Sounds reasonable?

    Wiper blades for Passats are fairly expensive, pads, labour plugs etc.

    Not too bad.

    Probably used proper oil too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    Sounds about right to me. Whoever said €25 for a set of front pads for a Passat obviously has a different source to mine!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Hi guys,

    I got my 2005 VW Passat serviced today (full service). The total price is €300. Just wondering if this is about the norm?

    I got the following done:
    • Front Brake Pads
    • 2 Dipped headlight bulbs
    • 1 Brake bulb
    • 2 fuses for rear brake lights
    • Oil Filter, plugs etc
    • Oil Change
    • 2 wiper blades
    • Usual checks, e.g lights, coolant etc etc
    Garage rang me with the price earlier. Not collecting the car until Monday so won't see bill until then. Just want to know if this is the going rate roughly?

    Thanks in advance!!!

    What engine is in the passat?

    Assuming petrol as you mention plugs and imagine you bougt all the parts yourself from a local motor factors :


    Front Brake Pads - 40
    2 Dipped headlight bulbs -10
    1 Brake bulb - 2
    2 fuses for rear brake lights - 1
    Oil Filter - 15 (genuine VW)
    plugs - 30 (standard) 80-100 (irridium)
    Oil Change - 50
    2 wiper blades - 20
    Usual checks, e.g lights, coolant etc etc - obviously visual checks are free, but if you need to top up, you need a quantity of each liquid, so we will assume a misc value of 20.

    Total is 40+10+2+1+15+(30 or 80)+50+20+20 = 188 (238 if higher spec plugs used) then you would have to carry out the work yourself or pay a friend, mate, relative, mechanic to do the work which most would charge probably about 80-100 labour maybe?

    So the grand total of 288 or 338 if using irridium or similar spec plugs going the nixer route.

    I dont think you were charged too high imo, but it all depends on what you include in the etc etc points you mention.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Bernardas


    veetwin wrote: »
    Fitted?

    Take 2 wheels off 10 minutes.Change brake pads 20 minutes.30 minutes all togheter.Usaly labor cost in Super Puper workshops is 50 euros per hour.Once when I paid 20 euros for replace my one bulb.I do this job my self at home.Oil change togheter with filter and oil.50 euros.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    dahamsta wrote: »
    If you have /any/ sort if DIY capability at all you should be checking your own lights and fuses and fixing them as you go. No doubt they'll charge you for washer fluid too, the biggest con in servicing.

    We used to charge €1.27 for screenwash in a service, do garages often charge much more than that?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Bernardas wrote: »
    Pads 25 euros max.2 bulbs 4 euros.

    €4 for two H7 bulbs, i dont think so :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    €40 Front Brake Pads
    €10.00 2 Dipped headlight bulbs
    €3.00 Brake bulb
    €1 fuses for rear brake lights
    €8 + €20 Oil Filter, plugs etc
    €40 Oil Change
    €35 wiper blades
    €3 Usual checks, e.g lights, coolant etc etc

    €140 labour, bit pricey for about an hours work. Was it a dealer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    Bernardas wrote: »
    Pads 25 euros max.2 bulbs 4 euros.

    I can only imagine the quality of the pads and bulbs you'd get for those prices.

    [boardskneejerkanswer]300 Euro???? My friend paid 4.75, one dead cat and three jelly beans for the same job yesterday!?! You were RIPPED OFF!!![/boardskneejerkanswer]

    Seriously, plugs can be anything up to 20 euro each. Decent oil costs enough too. I'm going to err on the side of reasonable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    €40 Front Brake Pads
    €10.00 2 Dipped headlight bulbs
    €3.00 Brake bulb
    €1 fuses for rear brake lights
    €8 + €20 Oil Filter, plugs etc
    €40 Oil Change
    €35 wiper blades
    €3 Usual checks, e.g lights, coolant etc etc

    €140 labour, bit pricey for about an hours work. Was it a dealer?

    Probably a bit of diagnosis for the brake lights not working too. I know it wouldn't be much, but still.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Possibly. Although fuses are the first thing they'd check I hope. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Bernardas


    When you bring your car to dillers workshops you pay for parts, to girl on reception,manager,second manager,and a litle bit to mechanic.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭galwayjohn89


    Seems reasonable to me. If it was a proper service and included all the checks as well I would be very happy with the price.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Bernardas wrote: »
    When you bring your car to dillers workshops you pay for parts, to girl on reception,manager,second manager,and a litle bit to mechanic.:)

    and, you point being?
    when you pay for petrol, you pay for the little stands that hold Jelly Babies in the store, also the little plactis holder that holds the toilet roll in the WC, all part of business, get over it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭aka accounts 2010


    kceire wrote: »
    What engine is in the passat?

    Assuming petrol as you mention plugs and imagine you bougt all the parts yourself from a local motor factors :


    Front Brake Pads - 40
    2 Dipped headlight bulbs -10
    1 Brake bulb - 2
    2 fuses for rear brake lights - 1
    Oil Filter - 15 (genuine VW)
    plugs - 30 (standard) 80-100 (irridium)
    Oil Change - 50
    2 wiper blades - 20
    Usual checks, e.g lights, coolant etc etc - obviously visual checks are free, but if you need to top up, you need a quantity of each liquid, so we will assume a misc value of 20.

    Total is 40+10+2+1+15+(30 or 80)+50+20+20 = 188 (238 if higher spec plugs used) then you would have to carry out the work yourself or pay a friend, mate, relative, mechanic to do the work which most would charge probably about 80-100 labour maybe?

    So the grand total of 288 or 338 if using irridium or similar spec plugs going the nixer route.

    I dont think you were charged too high imo, but it all depends on what you include in the etc etc points you mention.

    I should not have put plugs in the original post. It's a 1.9 TDI Red Eye Highline Comfortline Model, originally am English car so it's high spec!!

    General opinion seems to be that €300 seems about correct!!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    The price is certainly very reasonable.

    Did the garage give you any advise about when timing belt or brake fluid etc is due?



    Yet again, people quoting trade prices for parts and nixer labour rates is utterly irrelevant to the price anyone could expect to pay in ANY professional garage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Bernardas


    kceire wrote: »
    and, you point being?
    when you pay for petrol, you pay for the little stands that hold Jelly Babies in the store, also the little plactis holder that holds the toilet roll in the WC, all part of business, get over it!
    Sorry,I forgot about free cofee


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭AL 555


    Depending on mileage and service interval and the fact it's a TDi were the fuel/air/pollen filters also changed??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    €40 Front Brake Pads
    €10.00 2 Dipped headlight bulbs
    €3.00 Brake bulb
    €1 fuses for rear brake lights
    €8 + €20 Oil Filter, plugs etc
    €40 Oil Change
    €35 wiper blades
    €3 Usual checks, e.g lights, coolant etc etc

    €140 labour, bit pricey for about an hours work. Was it a dealer?

    Are my prices way off Owen? I fully understand the business that is making a profit. Assuming the plugs were regular Bosch €5 a pop jobs, and even allowing an extra €20 for miscellaneous, is €120 still not a lot for that work? (Baring in mind profit on parts too)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,789 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Bernardas wrote: »
    veetwin wrote: »
    Fitted?

    Take 2 wheels off 10 minutes.Change brake pads 20 minutes.30 minutes all togheter.Usaly labor cost in Super Puper workshops is 50 euros per hour.Once when I paid 20 euros for replace my one bulb.I do this job my self at home.Oil change togheter with filter and oil.50 euros.
    Do you then drive away on the rims
    or what ......????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    Are my prices way off Owen? I fully understand the business that is making a profit. Assuming the plugs were regular Bosch €5 a pop jobs, and even allowing an extra €20 for miscellaneous, is €120 still not a lot for that work? (Baring in mind profit on parts too)

    Sorry, been skulling back a litre of vodka pretty much all day, so I may be a wee bit without brain. Your prices are actually grand, but I'd assume regular plugs around a tenner each. Even at that, 100 Euro labour for what could be 2 hours work (Assuming mechanic isn't a robot) seems alright to me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    I don't see it as way off the mark myself, but think its bordering on the pricier side. I'll be joining you on your drinking endeavours in a few moments, bottoms up!


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Owen wrote: »
    Sorry, been skulling back a litre of vodka pretty much all day, so I may be a wee bit without brain. Your prices are actually grand, but I'd assume regular plugs around a tenner each. Even at that, 100 Euro labour for what could be 2 hours work (Assuming mechanic isn't a robot) seems alright to me!

    My local citroen dealer recently quoted 75e per hour plus vat @ 21%? for an hours labour so it sounds fine to me for a main dealer.

    You've reminded me the spark plug change on my car is not far off, Micks garage however sell them for €8 each rather than the 20e I paid before :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭mytime


    Stheno wrote: »
    My local citroen dealer recently quoted 75e per hour plus vat @ 21%? for an hours labour so it sounds fine to me for a main dealer.

    You've reminded me the spark plug change on my car is not far off, Micks garage however sell them for €8 each rather than the 20e I paid before :)


    Vat would be at 13.5% on labour and parts exlcuding tyres and batteries.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Gophur


    How does anyone end up needing 2 dipped headlight bulbs?

    Were you driving in the dark or blinding everyone with main beams? ( or the Irish way, driving with fog lamps on, annoying everyone?)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Yet again, people quoting trade prices for parts and nixer labour rates is utterly irrelevant to the price anyone could expect to pay in ANY professional garage.

    I think the reason people (and me) quote nixer/motor factor prices is to show that even doing it yourself, with the costs involved, the garage is being fair with their pricing.

    ie. someone comes on and says i was ripped off, my dealer charged me €100 for work.
    but then to price up those parts in a shop is €40, plus nixer labour = €80 in total, so maybe the €100 from the dealer with warranty etc doesnt look so bad now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭swhyte027


    Sounds about right to me. Whoever said €25 for a set of front pads for a Passat obviously has a different source to mine!


    Well george u may check again as vw and Audi now do economy pads for that price in the main dealer I think they actually might be 26 but ring them n I bet I'm not far off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    They don't do the pads for the OP's Passat in the economy range, only the smaller Golf type pad.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    I'd have expected the pollen and air-filter elements to be changed too, but over-all I'd say a decent enough job for a fair enough price. Just check your invoice before you leave and maybe ask if the filters were scheduled for change or were they checked and deemed to be OK.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Just out of curiousity do dealers/mechanics usually charge a mark up on parts?

    Asking as I have had in the past to pick up parts for my car from scrappies etc, and/or Micks garage, and my mechanic just charges the labour for them.

    If he gets parts he's happy to give me the receipts for them too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    Yes garages charge markup on parts usually. I would have thought that was normal practice across lots of different types of business for parts sourced and/or stocked, not just the motor trade?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Yes garages charge markup on parts usually. I would have thought that was normal practice across lots of different types of business for parts sourced and/or stocked, not just the motor trade?

    Thanks :), I was just being curious tbh, had no idea, and it's different from my experience of my last two mechanics, both of them were indys.

    Prior to that I just sent the car in to be serviced and paid the bill :)

    Another garage I know list the price of the parts on the actual bill, and you can compare it :) and it's same as e.g. micks garage, but that's another indy :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    But don't forget that the mechanic will charge mark up on the price he pays, the trade price, not the price you pay. My parts supplier always gives me 2 prices, the price the customer would pay if they walked in off the street to buy the same ones - which is what I charge my customers, and I pay the lower trade price. So even though there's markup, it's not quite the rip off people sometimes here claim it to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    We give a full breakdown of each individual part on our invoices. Over the past while I have started to reduce the margin we take on parts and make the difference up in labour to keep the overall cost of the job the same. This makes sense in the current environment for lots of reasons, some of which are clear to see in this thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Bernardas


    Do you then drive away on the rims
    or what ......????

    Wheels could be taken of per 5 minutes and put back per same time.

    Further.

    I spent money in original autorised Super Puper workshop.I paid for some points check,they check everything.And they had replace my side light bulb.And make timing belt adjustment.I paid 270 euros.Once when I leavt workshop I found :

    One side light bulb was lot brighter than another
    On check of my car they did not see broken ( shorter ) spring on my rear wheel.I knew about that before I brought car in.For points check was paid 40 euros.
    Timing belt was not properly adjusted.And noises came back on next day.
    Question : For what I paid 270 euros to autorised diller ? ( I would not like tell this company name ).Answer : I just brought 270 euros them for nothing.
    Once I had replace air filter.Mechanic in garage took batery off from my car.Took cover of from engine place.What was on way.And took air filter off.This took arround hour to replace air filter.I paid 30 euros.Plus I brought my filter.After 17 000 km I had replace air filter again.I took only cover on top of from engine place.Take batery off was not needed ! And change the filter per 30 minutes.Saved 30 euros ( nearly half tank of diesel )
    I brought my car to change dim light bulb to autorised Super Puper diller service.Bulb was replaced per 15 minutes for 20 euros.Same procedure I did at home next time.Before I bought 2 ( dim lights ) bulbs in Halfords.For 19 euros.Next time I bought another on corner shop for just 8 euros.11 euros saved.
    I had change oil.Asked about price in autorised Super Puper car service.And got price 80 euros.Local garage on corner made this job for me for just 30 euros.I brought my oil and filter what I bought for 22 euros.Nearly half tank of diesel saved again.
    My brake pads on front.Started "singing".I asked about price in autorised Super Puper diller workshop for put some grease on brake pads.They told this will cost me 50 euros.Becouse this is very big job take wheels off.I paid to local guy on corner.Who sell the tyres.For same job just 10 euros.I did not dealing about price.He told me,I paid.40 euros saved ( half tank of the diesel )
    I had problem with fuse.And brought car to normal big garage.Guys told me they will change fuse per one hour.Too big job.Job was done at home per much shorter time.Now when I know what is what.And mechanics tell me this is big job I just laughing to them eyes.

    I am man.You could imagine how much they will ask for price from woman !!!


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Thanks George, makes perfect sense now, the mechanic/garage as a bigger customer gets a trade discount, I as a joe off the street pay the asking price.

    Very fair tbh, I'd the lovely experience recently of paying £30 for a reconditioned part that new costs £8 but is no longer made by alfa :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    Bernardas wrote: »
    Super Puper

    Epic. I think I've seen that movie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    As above, our invoices, as with any professional business I'd have though, give full parts and labour breakdown.

    Parts have a trade price and an RRP, You generally charge the customer the retail price and pay for the parts at trade price, the same as a carpenter/electrician etc would. This price difference, along with labour charges is where your margin lies and where your profit is made. Its simple business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    If it's a main dealer with genuine parts I wouldn't think it's too bad. It's enough but you weren't ripped off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Bernardas wrote: »
    Pads 25 euros max.2 bulbs 4 euros.

    Where are you buying your parts dude? Any chance of your suppliers phone number? Because I'm obviously going to the wrong guy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Bernardas wrote: »
    Wheels could be taken of per 5 minutes and put back per same time.

    Further.

    I spent money in original autorised Super Puper workshop.I paid for some points check,they check everything.And they had replace my side light bulb.And make timing belt adjustment.I paid 270 euros.Once when I leavt workshop I found :

    One side light bulb was lot brighter than another
    On check of my car they did not see broken ( shorter ) spring on my rear wheel.I knew about that before I brought car in.For points check was paid 40 euros.
    Timing belt was not properly adjusted.And noises came back on next day.
    Question : For what I paid 270 euros to autorised diller ? ( I would not like tell this company name ).Answer : I just brought 270 euros them for nothing.
    Once I had replace air filter.Mechanic in garage took batery off from my car.Took cover of from engine place.What was on way.And took air filter off.This took arround hour to replace air filter.I paid 30 euros.Plus I brought my filter.After 17 000 km I had replace air filter again.I took only cover on top of from engine place.Take batery off was not needed ! And change the filter per 30 minutes.Saved 30 euros ( nearly half tank of diesel )
    I brought my car to change dim light bulb to autorised Super Puper diller service.Bulb was replaced per 15 minutes for 20 euros.Same procedure I did at home next time.Before I bought 2 ( dim lights ) bulbs in Halfords.For 19 euros.Next time I bought another on corner shop for just 8 euros.11 euros saved.
    I had change oil.Asked about price in autorised Super Puper car service.And got price 80 euros.Local garage on corner made this job for me for just 30 euros.I brought my oil and filter what I bought for 22 euros.Nearly half tank of diesel saved again.
    My brake pads on front.Started "singing".I asked about price in autorised Super Puper diller workshop for put some grease on brake pads.They told this will cost me 50 euros.Becouse this is very big job take wheels off.I paid to local guy on corner.Who sell the tyres.For same job just 10 euros.I did not dealing about price.He told me,I paid.40 euros saved ( half tank of the diesel )
    I had problem with fuse.And brought car to normal big garage.Guys told me they will change fuse per one hour.Too big job.Job was done at home per much shorter time.Now when I know what is what.And mechanics tell me this is big job I just laughing to them eyes.

    I am man.You could imagine how much they will ask for price from woman !!!


    I doubt there is any reasoning with that mindset in fairness.


    Its always possible to get things done on the cheap...you pay for quality though.

    I'd say your car has been fully maintained as per the manufacturers specifications:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Bernardas wrote: »
    Take 2 wheels off 10 minutes.Change brake pads 20 minutes.30 minutes all togheter.Usaly labor cost in Super Puper workshops is 50 euros per hour.Once when I paid 20 euros for replace my one bulb.I do this job my self at home.Oil change togheter with filter and oil.50 euros.
    10 mins a side for pads is a bit on the skimpy side. When doing my own, I prefer to have a good look around the brakes, make sure everything is nicely clean and free moving, check out the wear on the old pads, compare old wth new, have a look at the brake lines, making sure nothing rubbing etc.
    I also usually like to put the wheels back on but maybe for time saving, it would be worth running on the discs.
    Any garage that would quote me 10 mins a side or brakes pads wouldnt get the work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Bernardas


    mickdw wrote: »
    10 mins a side for pads is a bit on the skimpy side. When doing my own, I prefer to have a good look around the brakes, make sure everything is nicely clean and free moving, check out the wear on the old pads, compare old wth new, have a look at the brake lines, making sure nothing rubbing etc.
    I also usually like to put the wheels back on but maybe for time saving, it would be worth running on the discs.
    Any garage that would quote me 10 mins a side or brakes pads wouldnt get the work.

    Next time I would like bring my car to you.Becouse usaly mechanics does not care about anything except changing brake pads,.But I afraid I will have make long way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Bernardas


    Gary ITR wrote: »
    Where are you buying your parts dude? Any chance of your suppliers phone number? Because I'm obviously going to the wrong guy

    Apec Pad 1190 bought in local Motor Factors for arround 25 euros.Sorry about bulbs.4 euros each.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Bernardas wrote: »
    Next time I would like bring my car to you.Becouse usaly mechanics does not care about anything except changing brake pads,.But I afraid I will have make long way.


    Your the one saying it should only take 10 mins to change brake pads.

    So you want a mechanic who will spend time, using his training to inspect your car properly, but you don't expect to pay for it?


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