Anonymous Attacks Israel?

Brown Bomber

Just as a follow up Stuar's "Israel under cyber attack" thread I thought I'd share this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VKwtxeYiFs

Apparently there is an Anonymous campaign to targer Israel, and the two could be connected...

(the CT is an illegal hacker group perhaps attacking a sovereign state)

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

how is that a conspiracy theory?

Brown Bomber

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

how is that a conspiracy theory?

Cyber terrorism is illegal. It's not that complicated.

This is the related Anonymous press release:

Anonymous: Operation Free Palestine

Dear Citizens of the world,
We live in the most troubled times! Ravaged by debt, enslaved by greed, and trapped by media lies! Our lives have become such a burden, that we forgo the very basic instincts of our being - to care for our fellow brothers and sisters, We must dare to speak out in support of the Palestinian people who resist and endorse the horrific existence brought upon them through our blood thirsty imperial crusade.

The people of Palestine wake up in fear everyday knowing it may be their last; they walk the streets with military tanks aiming at them, they have to go through military checkpoints every day just to get to school or work, they are denied their basic human rights, they are shot at from point blank range for peacefully protesting, innocent Palestinian children are used as human shields by the Zionist IDF soldiers.

We at Anonymous and TeaMp0isoN would like you to take a few minutes out from your busy lives and just imagine the following existence for you, your family or those you hold dear:

Imagine you wake up with no hope every day, imagine your very existence, the future of your children, even the future of your nation was decided by the bullets of an occupying force! Imagine your children growing up accepting death as an inevitable consequence of being who they are! Imagine accepting the indignity of being searched, denied the freedom of movement in your own country; imagine having to queue up at a check point with a terminally or fatally wounded child only to be told that a non medic has decided that you cannot pass, imagine having to take your child back home to watch them die knowing that there is nothing you can do! Imagine watching an illegal settler forcing you and your family from your home, imagine the authorities aiding them, imagine your children watching their children playing in the back yard - with their toys, imagine you having to live outside in a tent watching them redevelop your home! Imagine what you would say to your child when he/she asks why!

Imagine seeing F16's terrorise your children, imagine being unable to sleep, traumatised, scared, crying - imagine this happening every day! Imagine bombs tearing the limbs of your children, imagine seeing 1, 2, 3, 4 or more of your children laid out on the floor looking at you, fear stuck on their face, lifeless, not breathing, some seeming at peace, others ravaged by shrapnel, eyes missing, hands burnt, intestines slowly sliding out of an open wound, head missing, bits of their skull missing, imagine seeing your child in hospital screaming, crying, suffering, looking at you with pleading eyes, begging eyes to help take the pain away, imagine knowing there is nothing you can do because illegal weaponry like white phosphorus was cooking their insides.

just imagine what you would do!

Would you worry about your bills? Would you worry about your car, your TV, your trainers, your holiday? Would you buy the products that financed this suffering, Would you support the men and women who did this, Would you call them a defence force and the victims the terrorists? WOULD YOU?

that is EXACTLY what you are doing when you drink Coca Cola, eat a Big Mac or buy pampers for your baby and do you know about the other everyday Israeli products you purchase from which the profits gained are used to fund the suffering of the palestinian people. Do you realize the taxes that you pay feed the forces that traumatize the people of Palestine, Of course not you're more worried about not having free health care.

The people of Palestine have been robbed of their land and their freedom, the Racist Zionist state is killing innocent Palestinians using illegal chemical weapons, the governments of the world have ignored the war crimes committed by Israel, will you ignore these illegal methods and war crimes too?

Israel has been committing genocide, infanticide, and every day homicide since 1948 and the world and her citizens have been aiding and abetting and financing this! We are all complicit in the murder of the innocent! It's time to make a stand!

Anonymous, TeaMp0isoN and many other hacktivists from around the world have united, we may not be able to stop the Zionist regime, but the least we can do is raise awareness and educate people by defacing zionist websites, Operation Free Palestine is about educating the blind and terrorising the terrorist, the tables have turned, the time has come

Existence is resistance,

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget,

Expect us.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

jaywalking is illegal but i dont think there's much of a conspiracy there

stuar

Thank you Brown Bomber, I was about to rewrite my post but no need now, I was disturbed before I could get into mine so had to cut and run, so rather than plead with humanji I'll run with yours;).

Thanks for the anonymous link, wasn't aware of it and actually blows mine away now, mine was only my imagination running away with me.

Here's the jist of my "theory" until I saw your post.

My CT was that it is infact Iran cyber attacking Israel and testing the waters for further badder attacks in response
to stuxnet and other cyber attacks originating from Israel and also for the economic sanctions imposed on Iran,
hence testing the banking system of Israel and causing mayhem.

Thats that fecked now:o.

But just read an article that says....actually I'm a lazy git so I'll C&P, I've bolded some of the interesting bits.

The hacker released the details of some 6,000 active accounts late Thursday, on top of the 15,000 made public earlier in the week, said Yoram Hacohen, the head of Israel’s data protection agency.

The hacker claims to have published details about 400,000 Israelis and blamed the “Zionist lobby” for covering up the size of the leak, in remarks published on the Internet on Thursday.

“I’ve hacked much more than you can imagine,” wrote the hacker, who goes by the pseudonym 0xOmar and affiliates himself with group-xp, a known Saudi hacking group.

He claimed that he collected close to a million Israeli credit card numbers and would soon publish them all.

Hacohen called it a “cyber crime,” and the head of the Israeli Visa CAL company, Israel David, told Israel Army radio it was a “technological terror attack on the citizens of Israel.”

Credit card companies say only a few hundred dollars had been fraudulently spent on the hacked cards. They said they swiftly closed affected accounts and were boosting their staff for the weekend in case more data is released.

The governmental data protection regulator was more worried about Israelis’ personal details, like ID numbers, email addresses and passwords, which were also posted online and that could be used by identity thieves.

Israelis weren’t the only ones affected. Hacohen said personal data belonging to a few hundred people around the world, who purchased Jewish art and objects on an online site, was also compromised.

Hacohen said his agency was investigating the case and was considering asking Interpol for assistance in apprehending the hacker. He also called on “good hackers” around the world to assist Israel in catching the offender.

But really what do Israel expect?, stealing passports, creating virus's/worms, cyber attacking and old fashioned attacking at will, it's about time somebody got to them.

Brown Bomber

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

jaywalking is illegal but i dont think there's much of a conspiracy there

Okay...So you know what isn't a conspiracy. Now you can now what is a conspiracy:

Conspiracy is an inchoate, or preparatory, crime. It is similar to solicitation in that both crimes are committed by manifesting an intent to engage in a criminal act. It differs from solicitation in that conspiracy requires an agreement between two or more persons, whereas solicitation can be committed by one person alone.
Conspiracy also resembles attempt. However, attempt, like solicitation, can be committed by a single person. On another level, conspiracy requires less than attempt. A conspiracy may exist before a crime is actually attempted, whereas no attempt charge will succeed unless the requisite attempt is made.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy

Naturally organised cyber terrorism campaigns fit this description so perhaps we could move on?

stuar

Anybody know where he publishes them?, could do with a new house and some cheap land.

Brown Bomber

stuar wrote: »

Anybody know where he publishes them?, could do with a new house and some cheap land.

Found this, but doesn't seem to legitimate, but what do I know?

Hi

It's 0xOmar from group-xp, largest Wahhabi hacker group of Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Arabia hackers of Anonymous hacking movement.

We have posted this message in pastebin, but it seems they have deleted the file. So I try to use this page.

We decided to relase first part of our data about Israel.

and bla bla bla...

we claimed to have leaked 400000, wich eventually summed to only 6000 working ones

and a Uber ****load of usless ones.

the super secured government servers we hacked, were just some shopping website databases..

and those 6000 working were closed just couple of hours later by the credit companies

the credit companies were harmed by our great hacking skills, just as a tank harmed by a toothpick.

so it seems we're just a bunch of usless

http://pastebin.com/LJqYxbV8

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Found this, but doesn't seem to legitimate, but what do I know?
http://pastebin.com/LJqYxbV8

Looks like my instincts were correct. The above apparently is fake and attempt at damage limitation, which is being quoted by the media.

http://www.cyberwarnews.info/2012/01/06/israeli-server-hacks-more-attacks-to-come-another-11k-ccs-released/

stuar

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Looks like my instincts were correct. The above apparently is fake and attempt at damage limitation, which is being quoted by the media.

http://www.cyberwarnews.info/2012/01/06/israeli-server-hacks-more-attacks-to-come-another-11k-ccs-released/

Goodman!

He's up to bigger and better things it seems, CC were testing the waters, military next?, nice house on a hilltop anyone?, maybe a few olive tree's.

http://pastebin.com/13nJQQ9p

stuar

Seem's all his links are gone offline now:mad:.

Thats the house, hillside, olive tree's etc, etc, etc out the window for now.

28.I've hacked much more than you can imagine, but I hate fake media and Zionist lobby in media and internet.
29.If needed maybe in next time I start sharing all data I have downloaded from Israeli military contractor companies and let the world have their all documents, I'm thinking to
30.
31.start doing it from an Israeli company which creates jammers and eavesdropping devices.
32.
33.For now, you can download Israeli credit cards from below URLs which includes torrent, just search Credit Cards.rar.torrent in torrent sharing sites.

Tzar Chasm

I'm curious as go how one could go about using these stolen credit cards if you weren't already set up in a

Tzar Chasm

I'm curious as go how one could go about using these stolen credit cards if you weren't already set up in a criminal system?

Surely if you order something it has to be delivered and that requires an address, at which point you would be promptly arrested, or am I missing something obvious

ArphaRima

And then Anonymous members from Israel retaliate, joined by Jewish American etc..etc.. Anonymous members.
Anonymous isnt a defined group so individual "members" (or non-members) can do as they please in its name.

stuar

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I'm curious as go how one could go about using these stolen credit cards if you weren't already set up in a criminal system?

Surely if you order something it has to be delivered and that requires an address, at which point you would be promptly arrested, or am I missing something obvious

Set up a number of bogus paypal accounts and a real one, use the first false one for your theiving, 2nd bogus persona buys it and sells it, 3rd bogus buys a fictional nothing from the 2nd, 3rd bogus buys a fictional nothing from your real account, now your money is washed, transfer to your bank account, buy a house and some land......or just go and kick some people off their land, claim its your God given right and get some heavies with big guns to back you up, either way, same thing.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Looks like my instincts were correct.

You actually think Anonymous have a Wahhabi membership? Come on...

I seriously doubt this person would sign off "Long live King Abdullah" if he were part of any Wahhabi group right now.

I bet he's Iranian...

The cc numbers are torrents on Megaupload, and about 10 other sites...

Jonny7

studiorat wrote: »

You actually think Anonymous have a Wahhabi membership? Come on...

I seriously doubt this person would sign off "Long live King Abdullah" if he were part of any Wahhabi group right now.

I bet he's Iranian...

The cc numbers are torrents on Megaupload, and about 10 other sites...

They are saying he's in Mexico. I wouldn't like to be in his shoes if he hasn't covered his tracks.

studiorat

Jonny7 wrote: »

They are saying he's in Mexico. I wouldn't like to be in his shoes if he hasn't covered his tracks.

plenty of hackers out there would dox him just for kicks...

davoxx

studiorat wrote: »

plenty of hackers out there would dox him just for kicks...

no they would not, they'd do it for the lolz :pac:

Tzar Chasm

stuar wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I'm curious as go how one could go about using these stolen credit cards if you weren't already set up in a criminal system?

Surely if you order something it has to be delivered and that requires an address, at which point you would be promptly arrested, or am I missing something obvious

Set up a number of bogus paypal accounts and a real one, use the first false one for your theiving, 2nd bogus persona buys it and sells it, 3rd bogus buys a fictional nothing from the 2nd, 3rd bogus buys a fictional nothing from your real account, now your money is washed, transfer to your bank account, buy a house and some land......or just go and kick some people off their land, claim its your God given right and get some heavies with big guns to back you up, either way, same thing.

That looks rather complicated and probably still on the wrong side of legal

Maybe I could use the cc numbers to make generous donations to viva palestine orhesbolla

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

But really what do Israel expect?, stealing passports, creating virus's/worms, cyber attacking and old fashioned attacking at will, it's about time somebody got to them.

What a stupid statement. Stealing CC numbers only affects the Israeli people directly involved not those in power.

I am going to assume you don't have a problem with Israeli people themselves, and if you do, probably best
not to admit it on these forums.

studiorat

Jonny7 wrote: »

What a stupid statement. Stealing CC numbers only affects the Israeli people directly involved not those in power.

I am going to assume you don't have a problem with Israeli people themselves, and if you do, probably best
not to admit it on these forums.

Same as the hacker admitted himself, just did it to cause harm to Israeli people.

Tzar Chasm

Well I suppose if israel is a democracy then attacking the people is fair game, they elected the government and policy is supposed to be driven by the will of the people

ArphaRima

Well I suppose if israel is a democracy then attacking the people is fair game, they elected the government and policy is supposed to be driven by the will of the people

Same justification is used by suicide bombers blowing themselves up on schoolbuses. Well done.

September 11, 2001 anyone? London/Madrid bombings. In fact any act of terrorism against a democracy.

Seriously flawed logic.

studiorat

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

they elected the government and policy is supposed to be driven by the will of the people

Like Ireland for instance?

ArphaRima

studiorat wrote: »

Like Ireland for instance?

Actually if you are referring to our economic woes I do blame the Irish people. We caused our own suffering. Both through direct action (purchasing supremely overpriced homes) and indirect (voting the g0bsh1tes in who supported it).

Quite different to explicitly inviting bloodshed and terrorist attack.

studiorat

fluffer wrote: »

Quite different to explicitly inviting bloodshed and terrorist attack.

Explain please?

ArphaRima

studiorat wrote: »

Explain please?

Tzar Chasm's post

Well I suppose if israel is a democracy then attacking the people is fair game, they elected the government and policy is supposed to be driven by the will of the people

Not directed towards you studiorat, sorry.

Tzar Chasm

studiorat wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

they elected the government and policy is supposed to be driven by the will of the people

Like Ireland for instance?

Very much so, we roll over and take it as a population, there are no mass protests here so why would the elected government not think that the majority will of the people is being represented

Seems to me that the majority of people in Israel have no problem with the apartheid state and the illegal landgrabs, so they are responsible for whatever consequences those actions bring upon themselves.

And yes before someone asks same for america re 9/11 ignorance of their nations foreign policy is no defence against the ramifications of that policy, its every citizens duty to be aware of what the country is doing I. Your name

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

And yes before someone asks same for america re 9/11 ignorance of their nations foreign policy is no defence against the ramifications of that policy, its every citizens duty to be aware of what the country is doing I. Your name

Holy ****!

Tzar Chasm

What don't you get

As far as I see it

Saudi terrorists atacked the US because they objected to US expansinisim in their region and its support of israel.

This is/apparently considerees terrorism

US. Forces attacks Afghanistan as they harbored these Saudis as is with keeping with their customs and laws

This is apparently Not called terrorisim

Sacksian

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Very much so, we roll over and take it as a population, there are no mass protests here so why would the elected government not think that the majority will of the people is being represented

Seems to me that the majority of people in Israel have no problem with the apartheid state and the illegal landgrabs, so they are responsible for whatever consequences those actions bring upon themselves.

And yes before someone asks same for america re 9/11 ignorance of their nations foreign policy is no defence against the ramifications of that policy, its every citizens duty to be aware of what the country is doing I. Your name

So, what if you're part of the minority that does oppose these policies and you end up suffering the - as you call them - "consequences"???

Are you to blame because your rhetoric wasn't convincing enough to turn around national policy??

It really is a seriously ****ed-up attitude...

Tzar Chasm

Yes we are, I take the fact that the bailouts are still being paid out as a massive personal afront, however despite my best efforts to rally the population I have failed.
This leaves me with two choices

Leave the country
Grin and bear it

I'm not in a position to leave the country as I haven't finished my degree yet, so for now I have to suffered the consequences of the majority decisions

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

What don't you get

As far as I see it

Saudi terrorists atacked the US because they objected to US expansinisim in their region and its support of israel.

This is/apparently considerees terrorism

US. Forces attacks Afghanistan as they harbored these Saudis as is with keeping with their customs and laws

This is apparently Not called terrorisim

Wow.. you mean it wasn't an inside job?

Tzar Chasm

Jonny7 wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

What don't you get

As far as I see it

Saudi terrorists atacked the US because they objected to US expansinisim in their region and its support of israel.

This is/apparently considerees terrorism

US. Forces attacks Afghanistan as they harbored these Saudis as is with keeping with their customs and laws

This is apparently Not called terrorisim

Wow.. you mean it wasn't an inside job?

Hardly, however the US administration at the time may have had prior warning and decided to let it happen anyway as it served their interests. There is also the angle that the s audi terrorists became aware of all the evil shot the wmricans were up to because they trained them in the art of being evil ****bags to begin with

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Hardly, however the US administration at the time may have had prior warning and decided to let it happen anyway as it served their interests. There is also the angle that the s audi terrorists became aware of all the evil shot the wmricans were up to because they trained them in the art of being evil ****bags to begin with

Which was the American's public's fault anyway.. so the US government is not really to blame right?

Brown Bomber

How many new "terrorists" were made today?

A youtube video was released showing marines in full combat gear pissing onto bloodied, supposed Talibani corpses as they laugh and joke.
http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2012/01/11/DC34561

ArphaRima

And yes before someone asks same for america re 9/11 ignorance of their nations foreign policy is no defence against the ramifications of that policy, its every citizens duty to be aware of what the country is doing I. Your name

I think the level of accountability that the voting public has is somewhat lower. Paying with their lives because 51% voted for THAT guy?

Before I go too far here I have no problem with Palestinians targeting Israeli soldiers or Iraqis attacking American soldiers. Nor do I mind that it is guerilla-style with remote bombings etc.
What I do abhor is targeting civilians and declaring them legitimate targets.

Busy streets, airliners, buses, trains etc. All invalid in my eyes. Under any circumstance.

Brown Bomber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrJ551FFWp0

To the government of the state of Israel.

We are Anonymous.

For two long we have tolerated your crimes against humanity and allowed your sins to go unpunished.

Through the use of media deception and political bribery, you have amassed the sympothies of many. You claim to be democratic, yet in reality this is far from the truth, in fact your only goal is to better the lives of a select few while carelessly trampling the liberties of the masses. We see through the propaganda that you circulate through the main stream media and lobby through the political establishment.

Your Zionist bigotry has displaced and killed a great many. As the world weeps you laugh while planning your next attack. All of this is done under the veil of peace but so long as your regime exists peace shall be hindered.

You label all who refuse to comply with your superstitious demands as anti semetic. And have taken steps to ensure a nuclear holocaust. You are unworthy to exist in your current form. and will therefore face the wrath of anonymous. Your empire lacks legitimacy and because of this you must govern behind a curtain of deceit. We will not allow you to attack a sovereign country based upon a campaign of lies. Your grip over humanity will weaken and man will be closer to freedom.

But before this is accomplished the people of this world will rise against you and renounce you in all your worth. Our crusade against your reign of terror shall commence in 3 steps.

Step one will be initiated after the release of this video and will be comprised of systematically removing you from the internet.

Step two will be later disclosed and is already in initiation. And as for step 3, well think of this one as a present from Anonymous to you. We will not stop untill the police state becomes a free state.

We are anonymous.

We are legion.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget.

Israeli government; Expect us.

studiorat

Fake video...

Not Anonymous, not that there actually is a group by that name. It's an internet meme.
However, Israel is almost never mentioned in any Anonymous discussion areas. The same day this was released Anonymous were hacking Assad's email server! No mention of this video.

So it's basically anti-Israeli propaganda dressed up to look like it's coming from a cohesive group. Iranian quite possibly. More likely a couple of media students with nothing better to do...

jackiebaron

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I'm curious as go how one could go about using these stolen credit cards if you weren't already set up in a criminal system?

Surely if you order something it has to be delivered and that requires an address, at which point you would be promptly arrested, or am I missing something obvious

It's easy to create a new credit card and then just pull its maximum limit out of the wall. You wear a nice hoodie and sunglasses to avoid identification at the ATM. You then walk off with a wad of cash and sling the (now most likely cancelled) card into a bin and move on to the next cashpoint with card number 2.

davoxx

studiorat wrote: »

Fake video...

Not Anonymous, not that there actually is a group by that name. It's an internet meme.
However, Israel is almost never mentioned in any Anonymous discussion areas. The same day this was released Anonymous were hacking Assad's email server! No mention of this video.

So it's basically anti-Israeli propaganda dressed up to look like it's coming from a cohesive group. Iranian quite possibly. More likely a couple of media students with nothing better to do...

since when was anon a cohesive group as well as an Internet meme??

i'm not sure why you think this is clearly a fake, odds are that it is real, the anonpress youtube channel is well synced with anon, but sure let's blame iran ... coz that's not propaganda.

studiorat

Someone trying to make it look like a group, or who thinks it's a real group. It's not that hard to grasp is it?

You seem to think that the anonpress youtube channel is "well synced" with who?

According to comment's on anonpress' facebook page we have

I hope everyone is cautious of all and any anti-semitic extremists who try to use anonymous to spread their bull****. I've seen it happen, at least on facebook, entire pages have been basically taken over by neo-nazis and the craziest conspiritards out there.

Plenty of people on the you tube channel aren't fooled either. Anonymous' has been used plenty of times for all sorts of things, I don't buy that this video comes from any bunch of hackers anywhere. Just someone using the name...

If you were looking for someone with a grudge against both Anonymous and Israel, you wouldn't have to look much further than Iran. I'd say because of Anonymous' campaigns in the past.

Here's the same video again from a different user who joined up on the same day they first posted the video : http://www.youtube.com/user/AnonymousSolution

davoxx

studiorat wrote: »

Someone trying to make it look like a group, or who thinks it's a real group. It's not that hard to grasp is it?

it would be a lot easier if people were consistent ... it's a group, no it's a meme, no it's all of the above and not at the same time, actually it's the iranians, quite possibly why not ...

yeah just stick to the facts, it's easier to verify or not.

studiorat wrote: »

You seem to think that the anonpress youtube channel is "well synced" with who?

with anon obviously ... that should be easy to grasp ...

studiorat wrote: »

According to comment's on anonpress' facebook page we have

yeah .. gotcha quite possibly iranians ...

seriously you make a silly point and then you play the antisemitic card?
i'm sure you can see the flaw in using anonpress' facebook page to discredit a video on their own youtube channel ... oh wait who posted that comment? quite possibly the iranians ...

fact: being against israel's policy is not the same as being antisemitic.

studiorat wrote: »

Plenty of people on the you tube channel aren't fooled either.

that is true, but then we have those who are and claim the iranians made it, quite possibly ... you know spreading propaganda ...

studiorat

davoxx wrote: »

it would be a lot easier if people were consistent ... it's a group, no it's a meme, no it's all of the above and not at the same time, actually it's the iranians, quite possibly why not ...

For the 3rd time, some people think it's a group the same as Lulz or chaos etc. are. And some people want you to think that.

I reckon the video was made by people posing as the "Anonymous" hackers ie. those who support the Occupy movement and the crews who run denial of service attacks on the media industry.

I still maintain it's got more to do with the feud between the Arab and Israeli hackers that's been going on, than what people refer to as Anonymous.

The language on the video is not anti-Israeli it's anti-Semitic. Seems you can't tell the difference. Hardly surprising really...

davoxx

studiorat wrote: »

For the 3rd time, some people think it's a group the same as Lulz or chaos etc. are. And some people want you to think that.

so? people think that and people want other people to think otherwise, and then there are people that want other people to think otherwise to what the other people were thinking, and then there is your assertion that it was probably the iranins ...
for the third time, at least be consistent when you refer to anon as a group not a meme ... it's confusing when you both deny the existence of anon and then claim that they are a cohesive group.

studiorat wrote: »

I reckon the video was made by people posing as the "Anonymous" hackers ie. those who support the Occupy movement and the crews who run denial of service attacks on the media industry.

so now you agree that there are anon hackers? are they a meme?

studiorat wrote: »

I still maintain it's got more to do with the feud between the Arab and Israeli hackers that's been going on, than what people refer to as Anonymous.

i'm sure you do, you have an agenda and you must stick to it regardless of evidence to the contrary ... maybe you'd like to invade iran for this video? call it an act of war or something ...

studiorat wrote: »

The language on the video is not anti-Israeli it's anti-Semitic.

obviously didn't watch the video or read the transcript ...

"To the government of the state of Israel." => anti israeli

"We are Anonymous." => anti carrying id

"For two long we have tolerated your crimes against humanity and allowed your sins to go unpunished." => anti israeli

"Through the use of media deception and political bribery, you have amassed the sympothies of many. You claim to be democratic, yet in reality this is far from the truth, in fact your only goal is to better the lives of a select few while carelessly trampling the liberties of the masses. We see through the propaganda that you circulate through the main stream media and lobby through the political establishment."

"Your Zionist bigotry has displaced and killed a great many. As the world weeps you laugh while planning your next attack. All of this is done under the veil of peace but so long as your regime exists peace shall be hindered." => anti israeli

"You label all who refuse to comply with your superstitious demands as anti semetic. And have taken steps to ensure a nuclear holocaust. You are unworthy to exist in your current form. and will therefore face the wrath of anonymous. Your empire lacks legitimacy and because of this you must govern behind a curtain of deceit. We will not allow you to attack a sovereign country based upon a campaign of lies. Your grip over humanity will weaken and man will be closer to freedom." => anti israeli

"But before this is accomplished the people of this world will rise against you and renounce you in all your worth. Our crusade against your reign of terror shall commence in 3 steps." => anti israeli

"Step one will be initiated after the release of this video and will be comprised of systematically removing you from the internet." => anti israeli

"Step two will be later disclosed and is already in initiation. And as for step 3, well think of this one as a present from Anonymous to you. We will not stop untill the police state becomes a free state." => anti israeli

"We are anonymous. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget."

"Israeli government; Expect us." => anti israeli

what part of that is antisemitic?

studiorat wrote: »

Seems you can't tell the difference. Hardly surprising really...

incorrect, i can tell the difference, obviously you can't or won't, but then again you think the iranians did it.

surprisingly your rhetoric knows no reason, but then again i'm never really surprised by what you post ...

studiorat

I'd say it's more likely to be someone posing as computer hackers, possibly one side of the current feud I mentioned.

As the world weeps you laugh while planning your next attack.

Sounds like it's straight from the Protocols to me... I notice you don't bat an eyelid. Brainwashed by the persons who use the Palestinian cause as a front for their anti-semitism, quite a few about too. It's my opinion that this is the case with the OP anyway.

So you actually think the people who made the video are computer hackers? And not someone claiming to be?

To simplify, who do you think made the video? Or do you simply believe it because it ticks all the boxes for you?

davoxx

studiorat wrote: »

Anon(apparently iran in disguise) wrote:

As the world weeps you laugh while planning your next attack.

Sounds like it's straight from the Protocols to me...

i duuno, probably sounds like world peace to you as well ... why am i not surprised?
but despite what spin you want to put on it, it is not in the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", but i'm sure you think that was written by the Iranians ...

studiorat wrote: »

I notice you don't bat an eyelid.

why should i? i notice you've failed to show that it is antisemitic as you claimed ...

studiorat wrote: »

Brainwashed by the persons who use the Palestinian cause as a front for their anti-semitism, quite a few about too.

huh? what has the Iranians got to do with Palestine? we know you hate the Iranians, are you admitting that you are so brainwashed you can't tell the difference between Iran and Palestine? i hope you are the only one ...

studiorat wrote: »

It's my opinion that this is the case with the OP anyway.

and that would be based on nothing, and can not be backed up, forgive me but what does that make your opinions worth?

studiorat wrote: »

So you actually think the people who made the video are computer hackers? And not someone claiming to be?

i never made claim one way or the other, you claimed it was antisemitic and made by Iranians.
you also implied i was brainwashed and then accused me of not being able to tell the difference between being antisemitic and anti-Israeli.

you really should apologise for those blunders.

studiorat

Who do you think actually made the video then?

Do you think the same people made this one ?

davoxx

studiorat wrote: »

Who do you think actually made the video then?

Do you think the same people made this one ?
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does not address the fact that you claimed that Iranians where behind this video and not anon, because anon is assumed to fight the good fight, so you immediately run out trying to discredit the video based purely on your own biased agendas.

does not really address the fact that the original video was not antisemitic like you claimed and that your claim that i could not tell the difference between antisemitic and anti-Israeli was false. now does it?

moving goal posts, trying to draw my opinion into another video to give you another invalid way to act the facts will not work.

you should apologise for implying that i was antisemitic.

studiorat

So who made the second video? Any opinion at all? Looks to me like you just want to believe it because it allies with your prejudices