Czech/Slovak TV on Astra 3a/3b at 23.5 degrees Dish Size

zg3409

Hi,

I have set up a dish pointed at 23.5 East to get Czech and Slovak Language Channels. The dish is about 70cm and it picks up Astra3B 23.5 channels fine. The Astra 3A 23.5 channels are much weaker and I could not receive any of them. They are on a much narrower beam for central europe.

I can get access to decryption cards so that should not be a problem.

Here is some related info:
http://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/allczech.html

I know there is an alternative UPC provided signal but it seems to be a monthly subscriptions which is a non runner (The other cards are free/very cheap)

This site says the signal for Astra3A is zero
http://www.lyngsat.com/astra23.html

So is anyone else getting this?

The main question is what dish size would I need to pick up 23.5A in Dublin?

Also on a side note I think many of the channels are starting to move from central beam to europe wide beam. Anyone know any more on this

banie01

If its the CSlink/Skylink channels you are after you should have no probs getting these on an 80cm dish.
I have 23.5e in a multiLNB setup at a 7.5degree offset and I get these packages in at high strength along with the German KDhome pack and others too.
I think all told I'm pulling in @ 260 services from 23.5e.

That said I have issues getting any reception at all on the Sat BG package....
I pull in the Astra 3D Demo channel at 91%SNR and 90%AGC yet I can only get the Ocko Channel at 41%SNR and 2%AGC.
And as for the Sat BG transponders since I reverted to my old multiblock...I'm not getting a peep from them.
I did receive this for a while on an experimental bar setup but it wasn't great in wind so I ditched it for the time being.
Frustrating when I'm trying to view a 3pm match on the SAT BG channels and can't get a signal!!! LOL

zg3409

I get some of the channels but no Astra 3A at 23.5

Astra HD and 3D are fine as they are on a wide beam.

Such as:
12525 V tp 14
12565 H tp 15 Central Europe H

Which is on a narrow beam


Can you receive either of the above tranponders with any quality?

banie01

zg3409 wrote: »

I get some of the channels but no Astra 3A at 23.5

Astra HD and 3D are fine as they are on a wide beam.

Such as:
12525 V tp 14
12565 H tp 15 Central Europe H

Which is on a narrow beam


Can you receive either of the above tranponders with any quality?

Just checked and No, I can get decent AGC but almost 0 SNR, nothing viewable tho...Sorry

Maybe one of the folks on here with a motorised dish could give those tps a try for you.
As like I said I am using 23.5 at an offset and a check on a motorised dish would give a better approximation of reception at prime focus.

zg3409

Thanks for that help.

I am looking at this thread (from 2006) which seems to indicate a 1.1M dish in Kilkenny but a 1.8M dish in Wales.

If I could get better info it would help:

http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/fringe-reception-general/58597-astra-3a-uk-reception-dish-size-map.html

You will need to log in to see map

snaps

Strange ive a 1.1m dish here in Mayo, I have no problems with the CS/Skylink transponders, Canal Digitaal transponders, satellite BG transponders, but cannot pull in ONE Kabel Kiosk channel from Germany. Some channels are extremely strong.

zg3409

Based on this map:
https://sat.ses.com/webservice/images/7407017

I think I would need greater than 1.2M (in theory).

Some people note the newer HD channels are all on the wider beam so over the coming years it may not be as important.

Peter Rhea

snaps wrote: »

Strange ive a 1.1m dish here in Mayo, I have no problems with the CS/Skylink transponders, Canal Digitaal transponders, satellite BG transponders, but cannot pull in ONE Kabel Kiosk channel from Germany.

That's the Europe-wide beam on 3B, I can get that on a Lidl camping dish (you're probably referring to the CS/Sky link stuff on 3A).

banie01

I just rescanned 23.5e there and pull in 267 services including Kabel, but no joy on Sat BG for me.
I had it on a different bar setup until last week but I swapped back to the old bar as it wasn't stable in high wind and need readjusting after every strong blow.
The previous setup allowed me extra scope for aiming the LNB(height/twist/skew)that the multiblock won't allow which was useful on 9e and 23.5 but which I can live without for rock solid reception on everything else :P

snaps

Just to note as well, you will need a DVB S2 (HD) receiver for the satellite BG channels as they are mpeg 4, so if using a normal DVB S receiver you wont get any signal.

banie01

snaps wrote: »

Just to note as well, you will need a DVB S2 (HD) receiver for the satellite BG channels as they are mpeg 4, so if using a normal DVB S receiver you wont get any signal.

Well aware of that Thanks tho.
I'm using a vu duo, could receive the Sat BG when I used my other Bar the pointability made a big difference to being able to peak the signal.
But since I've gone back to the multiblock I've had no joy pulling it in.

banie01

Right, I was out in the thankfully dry and windless weather this morning
And after a little rearrangement of my LNBs and moving an Inverto Multiconnect to the 23.5 position I'm now pulling in 394 services compared to the 260 I was getting yesterday.

To the OP I rechecked those TPs you were after and I can get 1 but not the other, see below and hope this helps.
This is on a Triax TD88 btw.

zg3409 wrote: »

I get some of the channels but no Astra 3A at 23.5
12525 V tp 14 Getting 40%SNR and 93%AGC
12565 H tp 15 Central Europe H Still not getting above 3% SNR on this TP

zg3409

What channel are u getting on:
>12525 V tp 14 Getting 40%SNR and 93%AGC

Is it DVB-S2 (HD) or not?

From different online databases this transponder was DVB-S (SD) with CT 24
TV Noe

as per:

http://www.flysat.com/tv-cz.php

but other places have it now as a HD channel

Astra2Connect

http://www.satbeams.com/channels?beam=6251

So I think some of this information is out of date.

It's listed as 27500 8/9 so it should be easy to check.

The dish size shown here:
http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?beam=6251

shows feck all signal in Ireland

However on one site it shows no Astra 3A transmissions at all. I don't know what is right.

Manc-Red

88cm getting a booming signal on Sat BG package on 23e here in Dublin - New frequency for the Fight HD channels etc is 11817.00 V 27500 5/6....

EPL HD was supposed to be on that package in December - their own website had info on it in November..... No sign of it yet

banie01

zg3409 wrote: »

What channel are u getting on:
>12525 V tp 14 Getting 40%SNR and 93%AGC

Is it DVB-S2 (HD) or not?

From different online databases this transponder was DVB-S (SD) with CT 24
TV Noe

as per:

http://www.flysat.com/tv-cz.php

but other places have it now as a HD channel

Astra2Connect

http://www.satbeams.com/channels?beam=6251

So I think some of this information is out of date.

It's listed as 27500 8/9 so it should be easy to check.

The dish size shown here:
http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?beam=6251

shows feck all signal in Ireland

However on one site it shows no Astra 3A transmissions at all. I don't know what is right.

1st off I find Lyngsat to be very poor for updates and accuracy, Satbeams is better and is improving all the time but if you want best accuracy check kingofsat or lyngsat(bigger userbase/frequent updates)

You seem to be getting confused as to your reading of the TP charts.
You are looking at 2 different TPs on 12525, one is horizontal, one is vertical
I receive both, the Horizontal carries the Astra2connect signal and is seperate from the vertical(Which is what you originally asked about)
The Vertical TP carries

Czech republic General CS Link Cryptoworks
Irdeto 2 8001 160 80 cze 1024 160 2011-11-27 +
Prima Family
Czech republic Entertainment CS Link
SkyLink Cryptoworks
Irdeto 2 8002 161 84 cze 1025 161 37 2012-01-04 +
CT 1
Czech republic General CS Link
SkyLink Cryptoworks
Irdeto 2 8003 162 88 cze 1026 162 40 2011-01-26 +
CT 2
Czech republic General CS Link
SkyLink Cryptoworks
Irdeto 2 8004 163 92 cze 1027 163 43 2011-01-26 +
CT 1 Severní Morava
Czech republic News CS Link Cryptoworks
Irdeto 2 8005 164 96 cze 1028 164 2011-11-27 +

CT 24
Czech republic News CS Link Clear 8006 165 100 cze 1029 165 52 2008-12-15 +
CT4 Sport
Czech republic Sport CS Link
SkyLink Cryptoworks
Irdeto 2 8007 166 102 cze 1030 166 32 2011-01-26 +
Noe TV Czech republic Religious CS Link Clear 8008 167 106 cze 1031 167 55 2008-12-15 +
CRo 1-Radiozurnal CS Link Clear 8018 177 cze
209 cze 1041 177 2007-03-06
CRo 2-Praha CS Link Clear 8019 178 cze
210 cze 1042 178 2007-03-06
CRo 3-Vltava CS Link Clear 8020 179 cze
211 cze 1043 179 2007-03-06
Proglas CS Link Clear 8021 180 cze 1044 180 2007-03-06
CRo 2+6/CRo 7 CS Link Clear 8022 181 cze 1045 181 2007-03-06
CRo Region CS Link Clear 8023 182 cze
212 cze 1046 182 2007-03-06
BBC CZ CS Link Clear 8024 183 cze 1047 183 2007-03-06
CRo D-dur CS Link Clear 8025 184 cze 1048 184 2007-03-06
CRo Leonardo CS Link Clear 8026 185 cze 1049 185 2007-03-06
CRo Radio Cesko CS Link Clear 8027 186 cze 1040 186 2007-03-06
CRo Radio Wave
And I receive all these channels on a TD88 at 7.5degree offset.

The info you have regarding an FEC of 8/9 on this TP is either wrong, or very new and the TP broadcasts in DVB-S currently.
Hope that helps you some bit

banie01

Manc-Red wrote: »

88cm getting a booming signal on Sat BG package on 23e here in Dublin - New frequency for the Fight HD channels etc is 11817.00 V 27500 5/6....

EPL HD was supposed to be on that package in December - their own website had info on it in November..... No sign of it yet

I was having a spacing issue on my bar til this morning...
A bit of LNB rearranging sorted it out for me
Previously I was getting Astra3D at 88snr and 85agc but could only get Ocko Tv at 44snr and 2agc!!!(2 tps I use for alignment on that bird)
And not a sniff of the Sat BGs despite CSlink Skylink and Canaal TPs all booming in for me..
It was down to using a twin LNB at 23.5 position, swapped it over with a slim LNB and have Sat BG and all else available again
And have Ocko in at 83snr and 93agc now....all good

Edit: pulling in 394 services now.

dxhound2005

Nothing above 12207 for me. I used to get 12525 and 12725 I think but nothing now. I do get the Kabel V transponders between 11475 and 11675 but H's are too weak to lock.

1.1 m dish in Dundalk. My newish Dr HD F15 shows signal strenghts in dB's which reads to 20 dB (maxed out by Channel 4 HD on 28) and around 5 dB gives a solid signal. 11475 etc around 8 dB, strongest tp overall 12188 18.3 dB.

285 TV and 9 radio channels. BG tp's are very strong as well 11817 17 dB.

zg3409

banie01 wrote: »

You seem to be getting confused as to your reading of the TP charts.
You are looking at 2 different TPs on 12525, one is horizontal, one is vertical
I receive both, the Horizontal carries the Astra2connect signal and is seperate from the vertical(Which is what you originally asked about)
And I receive all these channels on a TD88 at 7.5degree offset.

I have a 70cm dish in Dublin and I get neither transponder. I see

dxhound2005 cannot get these in Dundalk on a 1.1M dish either

So if you can get both (and you are in Ireland) what is the secret? (I have a HD box and aligned the dish with a spectrum analyser)

banie01

zg3409 wrote: »

I have a 70cm dish in Dublin and I get neither transponder. I see

dxhound2005 cannot get these in Dundalk on a 1.1M dish either

So if you can get both (and you are in Ireland) what is the secret? (I have a HD box and aligned the dish with a spectrum analyser)

Well I'm also pulling over 100 more services than DXhound on 23.5 which is suprising to me too,to say the least.

I'm further south than both you and DXhound but also further east(Limerick)
as for the secret, I don't have one other than time
But perhaps a 70cm is too small for what you're trying to get no matter how well you align the dish.
As I've said I use a TD88 and receive both 12525 tps but not the 12605.

banie01

zg3409 wrote: »

So if you can get both (and you are in Ireland) what is the secret? (I have a HD box and aligned the dish with a spectrum analyser)

Just a little screenshot of one the Skylink channels on the 12525v TP that you're after.
I included the info bar to show the TP info...
As your 'if' up there left me feeling a little fraudulent