Tilt and Turn Aluclad Sliding door anyone?

Troy McClure

Does anyone have a Tilt and Turn Sliding door.? or know anything about them. It is more cost effective than a normal sliding door with same U value in a aluclad slider.

Carlow52

Cant help with the costing but I have always preferred them to sliding doors as there is less wear and tear on the air tightness seals and you get a better seal.
They are also easier to use as you get older: I know loads of older folk who have a problem with sliding porch doors: I have replaced quite a few with hinged doors

edit: I misread the OP question.
I though he meant the doors that tilt back like windows or open like doors. mea culpa

Troy McClure

The thing is I cant seem to find one to see it in person. I am worried that a tilt and turn sliding door will have a lot of parts that may break easily, or wont be as airtight as a normal sliding door.
http://www.viking.ee/en/doors/slidingfolding-doors

I would love to see one. Do you know of one in the Carlow/Kildare area I could look at in aluclad?

sas

Troy McClure wrote: »

The thing is I cant seem to find one to see it in person. I am worried that a tilt and turn sliding door will have a lot of parts that may break easily, or wont be as airtight as a normal sliding door.
http://www.viking.ee/en/doors/slidingfolding-doors

I would love to see one. Do you know of one in the Carlow/Kildare area I could look at in aluclad?

Sliders are referred as either:
(a) Lift and slide. This is the common type you see here.
(b) Tilt and slide. This is what it appears you are asking about.

I have a lift and slide which cost a bloody fortune and I'm having airtightness issues with it. Spoke to a passive house builder and he says they always appear to give trouble.

The reason I chose it over the tilt and slide is because we really hated the base rail of the mechanism. First off the threshold is about 3 inches high on any that I saw. There is more that can go wrong as you suggested. Also there is a big ugly plastic cover along the bottom of one of the sashes that covers the mechanism.

If I had my time again I'd skip the slider. For now I wil have to persevere with the slider I have and see if we can get it fixed.

Troy McClure

Hi Sas,
I seen that plastic cover on the video above and I agree it's not pretty. However we are going for a dark colour and so can the cover.
Did you actually see one up close? I would love to but cant find one in the country to look at!
When you were doing your research did you get any feed back on them? Why are they not popular here? My guess is the fabricators in this country not been tooled for them, but I cant really understand why they are cheaper than normal sliding door, when they have more parts.

sas

Troy McClure wrote: »

Hi Sas,
I seen that plastic cover on the video above and I agree it's not pretty. However we are going for a dark colour and so can the cover.
Did you actually see one up close? I would love to but cant find one in the country to look at!
When you were doing your research did you get any feed back on them? Why are they not popular here? My guess is the fabricators in this country not been tooled for them, but I cant really understand why they are cheaper than normal sliding door, when they have more parts.

Yes, I've seen the tilt and slides in the flesh. No good to you though because the company that brought me to see the project don't exist anymore.

If you contact any of the passive house window agents they will be able to put you in touch with previous customers. They seem to be popular in PHs.

Another reason I had to dismiss them is because they have a maximum size per individual pane that was less than I needed. The lift and slide doors can have larger individual sections.

Not sure why they aren't popular here. I suspect it's because the lift and slide is easier make and looks nicer. Airtightness isn't a concern for 99% of people here anyway so that wouldn't have put them off.

No idea why they are cheaper either but that was the case when the PH companies were pricing for me too i.e. it's not just in Ireland.

Troy McClure

Thanks Sas
When you were inquiring about them what kind of feedback were you getting. When you seen them did they look sturdy and strong? Any reason you think they are not suitable here that you know of?

Thanks for the feedback.

sas

Troy McClure wrote: »

Thanks Sas
When you were inquiring about them what kind of feedback were you getting. When you seen them did they look sturdy and strong? Any reason you think they are not suitable here that you know of?

Thanks for the feedback.

The only house I saw them in, the owner wasn't present. So I don't know what they thought about them.

After that house we decided that a tilt and slide wasn't for us, so I stopped looking into them.

Tmurf

We put 2 into our new build.
No problems as yet.
The thing I don't like about them, which I didn't notice before we put them in is there is an Alu clad piece along the bottom of the door ope that the door closes to.
When door is open you have to step over it (about 2-3").

Just a trip haz.
Other then that all good

sas

sas wrote: »

Sliders are referred as either:
(a) Lift and slide. This is the common type you see here.
(b) Tilt and slide. This is what it appears you are asking about.

I have a lift and slide which cost a bloody fortune and I'm having airtightness issues with it. Spoke to a passive house builder and he says they always appear to give trouble.

The reason I chose it over the tilt and slide is because we really hated the base rail of the mechanism. First off the threshold is about 3 inches high on any that I saw. There is more that can go wrong as you suggested. Also there is a big ugly plastic cover along the bottom of one of the sashes that covers the mechanism.

If I had my time again I'd skip the slider. For now I wil have to persevere with the slider I have and see if we can get it fixed.

With Hindsight what type of door would you exchange it for ?? What do you think of the folding doors ?

sas

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With Hindsight what type of door would you exchange it for ??

If it's to open then I'm not aware of any option other than a hinged door if it can't slide.

Note: Bifold doors are hinged and I'd run screaming away from them. They look great and all may be well initially, but they have disaster written all over them in my opinion. A salesman for one such system pretty much admitted to me a few years ago that the airtightness of them will definitely degrade significantly over time. The period of time wasn't likely to be decades either!

There is also a concern with the airtightness of hinged double doors I'm told.
If you consider a typical single pane window, the opening part closes against a non moving part i.e. the surrounding frame.
With your typical double door setup, the 2 doors close against each other i.e. a movable part against a movable part. This could be avoided by having a centre mullion but that wouldn't exactly look right when both doors were opened i.e. instead of 1 big opening it would be seperated down the middle.

It's a mine field basically.