Let's Replace our Government with a SuperComputer

Stiffler2

Do you think we could replace our government with a supercomputer ?
Could a program be written to deal with such a task ?

For major decisions a referendum could be done at almost every major decision. Just a matter of logging in & casting your vote, none of this paper ballet crap.

The supercomputer would then caculate it's decsion based on the votes.

The supercomputer would not be corrupt, make ill informed decisions and could mass email the Irish people when money is running tight or when we're borrowing too much.

If a program that runs on a supercomputer can calculate world wide weather algorithms then why not replace a governement with it.

This pc would sure get my vote over any of the rest anyway.

AnonoBoy

- Fix the economy!

"I'm sorry Stiffler2, I'm afraid I can't do that."

Saila

well considering they couldnt get electronic voting off the line Im going to say no

MrStuffins

I can't let you do that Dave.............

The Internet Explorer

That's all well and good, but computers can't bend you over and fuck you in the ass.

Stiffler2

Saila wrote: »

well considering they couldnt get electronic voting off the line Im going to say no

Ye well that's fair enough but that's because we're just tarded.
What if the germans came over and installed it for us then or the Japs ?
or any country that is excellent with such things.

If it can calculate global weather forecasts then surely it can do this ?

Stiffler2

The Internet Explorer wrote: »

That's all well and good, but computers can't bend you over and fuck you in the ass.

ehh - that's kind of my point.:rolleyes:

TheZohanS

Well if we're replacing like-for-like all we'll need is a Tamagotchi.

Proxy

Apart from Skynet etc (See Cameron, Schwarzenegger et. al.) A computer no matter how smart or how many heuristics involved would just calculate that X is greater than Y and cut X to a breakeven point. You can't program empathy, ethics, or anything as complex as running a country.

Seriously, the more I think of this suggestion... /facepalm

Saila

Stiffler2 wrote: »

If it can calculate global weather forecasts then surely it can do this ?

and look how accurate they are

Duggy747

"SuperComputer has recovered Ireland from an unexpected economic crash. Would you like to send a report?"

*Clicks Cancel*

...............

*Clicks on Solitare*

number10a

Estonia, a country that only has democracy for 20 years, has online voting for years now. If they can manage it, we can surely bring it in overnight!!!




Oh shìt, forgot where I live. We will still be using the paper and pencil to vote at the turn of the next century.

Blazer

Hasta la vista.......recession.

recylingbin

10 ENABLE BRIBE FUNCTION
20 RUN
30 LOOP

Snowie

skynet :eek:


are you crazy op :eek:

djk1000

Proxy wrote: »

Apart from Skynet etc (See Cameron, Schwarzenegger et. al.) A computer no matter how smart or how many heuristics involved would just calculate that X is greater than Y and cut X to a breakeven point. You can't program empathy, ethics, or anything as complex as running a country.

We can't seem to get that going with a human Government either...




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Stiffler2

Proxy wrote: »

Apart from Skynet etc (See Cameron, Schwarzenegger et. al.) A computer no matter how smart or how many heuristics involved would just calculate that X is greater than Y and cut X to a breakeven point. You can't program empathy, ethics, or anything as complex as running a country.

Seriously, the more I think of this suggestion... /facepalm

why can't ethics be programmed, it's just a set of rules as well ??
perhaps it should be a sub program though so it only takes ethics into account last. I think it would do a far superior job than any government the irish can churn out.

The computer could borrow for us and once it hits breakeven point it stops borrowing. No salaries involved either + it could be programmed not to listen to the public sector unions whom hold this country to ransom.

No more TD's, ambassadors, or ministers, for it to work properly though everything would have to be electronic.

example beds in hospitals could have sensors on them. Once the limit is reached the supercomputer could borrow some money to purchase some beds based on the calulations of how many are in a hospital at any given time, time of year etc..

No more bankhanders, corruption or people like Bertie or Charlie.

It'd be a Win Win

jonnyfingers

We don't need a super computer just flip a coin for every decision and let that decide our future.

KerranJast

You realise it would just say

- increase taxes
- cut spending

Damn you logic!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XblVVbqIHU

JerryHandbag

We can't afford a supercomputer so we'll just have to make do with an Atari Jaguar

Benny_Cake

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Do you think we could replace our government with a supercomputer ?
Could a program be written to deal with such a task ?

For major decisions a referendum could be done at almost every major decision. Just a matter of logging in & casting your vote, none of this paper ballet crap.

The supercomputer would then caculate it's decsion based on the votes.

The supercomputer would not be corrupt, make ill informed decisions and could mass email the Irish people when money is running tight or when we're borrowing too much.

If a program that runs on a supercomputer can calculate world wide weather algorithms then why not replace a governement with it.

This pc would sure get my vote over any of the rest anyway.

It sounds like what you are proposing is direct democracy through popular referendums, since all the supercomputer would seem to be doing is rallying votes. That would hardly require a supercomputer, my old Atari ST could probably manage it.

hooradiation

Stiffler2 wrote: »

why can't ethics be programmed, it's just a set of rules as well ??

You don't really think these things through, do you?

Stiffler2

hooradiation wrote: »

You don't really think these things through, do you?

The problem is I think too much but the question I have for you is have you really thought this through ?

Ethics are not emotions, they are a set of rules, (eg)
Stem Cells = programmed to say NO
Doctor telling a friend about his patient is bad ethics - pc programmed for this as well. Anything that falls into the ethics category can be programmed, simple as that.

things that can't be programmed ( yet ) emotions, smells. etc..

Have you even watched the matrix or looked at this article - http://www.futuretimeline.net/

Anything is possible but certainly not with YOUR attitude

MrStuffins

Stiffler2 wrote: »

The problem is I think too much but the question I have for you is have you really thought this through ?

Ethics are not emotions, they are a set of rules, (eg)
Stem Cells = programmed to say NO
Doctor telling a friend about his patient is bad ethics - pc programmed for this as well. Anything that falls into the ethics category can be programmed, simple as that.

things that can't be programmed ( yet ) emotions, smells. etc..

Ethics change over time. What is unacceptable today will be more than acceptable in 100 years!

Also, Ethics take human judgement into account.

chin_grin

Twenty five posts and not one mention of Deep Thought. After Hours, I am disappoint!

Stiffler2

chin_grin wrote: »

Twenty five posts and not one mention of Deep Thought. After Hours, I am disappoint!

A great man once said and I do not rememeber who he is but he said ::

I don't look at things that are and ask Why
I look at things that aren't and ask why not.

mattjack

And just who would unplug it at night ?

hooradiation

Stiffler2 wrote: »

The problem is I think too much but the question I have for you is have you really thought this through ?

Ethics are not emotions, they are a set of rules, (eg)
Stem Cells = programmed to say NO
Doctor telling a friend about his patient is bad ethics - pc programmed for this as well. Anything that falls into the ethics category can be programmed, simple as that.

things that can't be programmed ( yet ) emotions, smells. etc..

Have you even watched the matrix or looked at this article - http://www.futuretimeline.net/

Anything is possible but certainly not with YOUR attitude

Grow up kid.

Your "ethics" aren't hard coded rules, their a series of presumptions and axioms that, if you're not a total waste of flesh, will be challenged, changed, replaced and amended over the course of your life.

Now, instead of asking have I seen the "the matrix" I'd like you to propose how your computer system is going to solve and create a reliable solution to one of the holy grails of artificial intelligence?
Or you could just whine on about other people pointing out how bloody stupid your plan is.

Either is good, but I imagine I know which you'll opt for.

Nothingbetter2d

JerryHandbag wrote: »

We can't afford a supercomputer so we'll just have to make do with an Atari Jaguar

dont be silly we need a microsoft windows 95 machine to be our government

it will say "windows explorer has performed an illegal operation and needs to close" everytime it attempts to count the electorate votes.

Stiffler2

hooradiation wrote: »

Grow up kid.

Your "ethics" aren't hard coded rules, their a series of presumptions and axioms that, if you're not a total waste of flesh, will be challenged, changed, replaced and amended over the course of your life.

Now, instead of asking have I seen the "the matrix" I'd like you to propose how your computer system is going to solve and create a reliable solution to one of the holy grails of artificial intelligence?
Or you could just whine on about other people pointing out how bloody stupid your plan is.

Either is good, but I imagine I know which you'll opt for.

ethics are hard coded rules, granted they change over time which is just a bit of re-programming to be done or maintenance.

It's not an AI computer, it bases its decisions on the referendums but mostly just the economy and money situation.

MrStuffins

Stiffler2 wrote: »

ethics are hard coded rules, granted they change over time ..............

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chin_grin

Stiffler2 wrote: »

A great man once said and I do not rememeber who he is but he said ::

I don't look at things that are and ask Why
I look at things that aren't and ask why not.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy

Misattributed

There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?
Though Kennedy stated that he was quoting George Bernard Shaw when he said this, he is often thought to have originated the expression, which actually paraphrases a line delivered by the Serpent in Shaw's play Back To Methuselah : “You see things; and you say, ‘Why?’ But I dream things that never were; and I say, ‘Why not?’". Robert's brother Edward famously quoted it (paraphrasing it even further), to conclude his eulogy to his late brother after his assassination (8 June 1968): Some men see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say why not? - (Eulogy in CBS news video)

Also Deep Thought is from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. I'd highly recommend giving them a read.

hooradiation

Stiffler2 wrote: »

ethics are hard coded rules, granted they change over time which is just a bit of re-programming to be done or maintenance.

It's not an AI computer, it bases its decisions on the referendums but mostly just the economy and money situation.

What you're talking about is an Expert System, which is, in fact, an Artifical Intelligence.
People just see the word "AI" and start thinking HAL or star treks Data and we end up with people trying to make the sort of useless distinctions you are.

But you're throwing sci-fi films at me, so it's not unusual that you'd make that mistake. Most people who are pulling stuff out of their arse tend to.

Also, as has been pointed out this gem of a line

ethics are hard coded rules, granted they change over time

Really shows you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

MrStuffins

chin_grin wrote: »

Also Deep Thought is from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. I'd highly recommend giving them a read.

Talented computer that! It later made a self-titled documentary about it's life in the porn industry, before going on to beat Gary Kasparov at Chess in 1997!

Tazz T

A broken calculator from a €1.50 shop with no battery would run the country better than the government.

Proxy

I'm calling Troll on this one.

MrStuffins

Tazz T wrote: »

A broken calculator from a €1.50 shop with no battery would run the country better than the government.

Excuse me Mr.Minister, what is your answer to the economic crisis??

80085!!!

starlit

Might actually work OP, what have you in mind to create such a supercomputer will have to have bigger brains and more power than the government but can a supercomputer outsmart a human?

hooradiation

Proxy wrote: »

I'm calling Troll on this one.

Link probably related.

Ellis Dee

number10a wrote: »

Estonia, a country that only has democracy for 20 years, has online voting for years now. If they can manage it, we can surely bring it in overnight!!!




Oh shìt, forgot where I live. We will still be using the paper and pencil to vote at the turn of the next century.

Estonia has had online voting for years, but the overwhelming majority of people (84% in last year's general election) still go to polling stations and use paper and pencils.

Electronic voting is practicable in Estonia only because the country has the Estonian ID Card, which is a regular and mandatory document featuring a smart card enabling both secure remote authentication and legally binding digital signatures. Naturally, the public infrastructure to support this is in place.

I am not at all certain that attempts to introduce such an ID document in Ireland would be enthusiastically received by everyone, although I personally favour it. :rolleyes:

And that, of course, is only the voting - i.e. choosing the people to run the country. They still do the decision making the traditional way - assembling in the Riigikogu (parliament), forming parties, a governing coalition, an opposition --- and using their heads for thinking and computers only as aids.:cool:

entropi

1. Replace the government with Cleverbot

2. ????????

3. Profit?

DoesNotCompute

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Do you think we could replace our government with a supercomputer ?
Could a program be written to deal with such a task ?

For major decisions a referendum could be done at almost every major decision. Just a matter of logging in & casting your vote, none of this paper ballet crap.

The supercomputer would then caculate it's decsion based on the votes.

The supercomputer would not be corrupt, make ill informed decisions and could mass email the Irish people when money is running tight or when we're borrowing too much.

If a program that runs on a supercomputer can calculate world wide weather algorithms then why not replace a governement with it.

This pc would sure get my vote over any of the rest anyway.

Hrmm... Sounds like Deus Ex: Invisible War:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBeoreJr4Yc&feature=youtu.be&t=2m36s

MrStuffins

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Hrmm... Sounds like Deus Ex: Invisible War:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBeoreJr4Yc&feature=youtu.be&t=2m36s

Pretty apt username for the thread.