Is a world war imminent because of the recession

Doom

It looks like we are heading for a european and maybe world depression, history appears to enter a period of war when this happens, maybe not a all out war but a limited one, :cool:like the stoking the middle east or north korea at the moment, maybe this is what the powerhouses of Europe and America secretly want, war brings economic growth

cloud493

Doom wrote: »

It looks like we are heading for a european and maybe world depression, history appears to enter a period of war when this happens, maybe not a all out war but a limited one, :cool:like the stoking the middle east or north korea at the moment, maybe this is what the powerhouses of Europe and America secretly want, war brings economic growth

And a lot of debt. And dead people. And broken homes. And costs for rebuilding. And hardship on people.

hidinginthebush

Apt name OP

BunShopVoyeur

I suppose that'd be one way to deal with rising population...

stupidusername

Wouldn't war make the economy worse?

Indubitable

cloud493 wrote: »

And a lot of debt. And dead people. And broken homes. And costs for rebuilding. And hardship on people.

Yeah, well then at least the government would have an excuse for causing most of those things. Which they do not at the moment.

Owryan

cloud493 wrote: »

Doom wrote: »

It looks like we are heading for a european and maybe world depression, history appears to enter a period of war when this happens, maybe not a all out war but a limited one, :cool:like the stoking the middle east or north korea at the moment, maybe this is what the powerhouses of Europe and America secretly want, war brings economic growth

And a lot of debt. And dead people. And broken homes. And costs for rebuilding. And hardship on people.

Work for debt collectors, funeral parlours and buiders.

Doom

cloud493 wrote: »

And a lot of debt. And dead people. And broken homes. And costs for rebuilding. And hardship on people.

Not for the banks and politicians.....Germany and America done well enough after WW2

PK2008

I think the word is you're looking for is imminent.

Also, wars are a huge drain on the economy not a boost.

marketty

Who's gonna pay for that?

stupidusername

Owryan wrote: »

Work for debt collectors, funeral parlours and buiders.

actually that's not a bad idea... i mean take for example funeral homes - they're probably one of the only stable areas of business to get into.

pdbhp

War!
What is it good for?

brummytom

No one can afford a war at the moment.

Voodoo_rasher

PK2008 wrote: »

Also, wars are a huge drain on the economy not a boost.

Not for everyone's economy; the victor's economy?

stupidusername

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

Not for everyone's economy; the victor's economy?

how would it be a boost for the victors economy?

donvito99

Odds of Germany kicking something off? Fourth reich?

Captain Chaos

stupidusername wrote: »

Wouldn't war make the economy worse?

Technically it would create jobs, need more people to make more bombs, missiles, tanks, jets etc. Plus the rebuilding after, big property boom then:pac:.

Really though we can't afford to go to war. The war in Iraq and A'stan has the US broke. Norway or Denmark, can't remember, ran out of smart bombs supporting Libyan rebels and have to order more from the US. They got a loan from the Dutch in the short term while they were waiting for a restock.

LaFlammeRouge

PK2008 wrote: »

Also, wars are a huge drain on the economy not a boost.

Loads of wars were started to boost economies.

http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/barro/files/bw01_11_05.pdf

ejmaztec

If there is a war, Ireland should make certain it backs the losing side, so when it's all over the victors can pump sh1tloads of money into the country. Only the winners have to pay war-loans back. The IMF/ECB loans will be written off and we'll be quids in.

Which superpower will we throw a rock at to kick things off?

cloud493

Doom wrote: »

Not for the banks and politicians.....Germany and America done well enough after WW2

Germany was razed to the ground after the war, with 7 million dead, and complete anglo - american - soviet occupation of their country?

emo72

stupidusername wrote: »

how would it be a boost for the victors economy?

the losing country pays debts.onerous burden was placed on germany after the first ww, helped to piss of the austere germans and led to ww2

Doom

donvito99 wrote: »

Odds of Germany kicking something off? Fourth reich?

I think they're well on the way, war doesn't have to be fought with guns, control of money is the 4th Reich

Captain Chaos

ejmaztec wrote: »

Which superpower will we throw a rock at to kick things off?

What do you mean which, there is only one. There only ever has been one since 1990.

Indubitable

stupidusername wrote: »

how would it be a boost for the victors economy?

More jobs and pillaging of the conquered nation's resources I guess.

FloatingVoter

cloud493 wrote: »

Germany was razed to the ground after the war, with 7 million dead, and complete anglo - american - soviet occupation of their country?

They looked for it. The Marshall Plan resurrected West Germany to be the bullies of today. East Germany got the glories of communism.

stupidusername

if no one can afford to go to war in the first place... and whilst at war the country falls to bits, people emigrate, there's no chance of moving forward... the country that 'wins' basically has to start almost from scratch, no? things need to be done to rebuild, but it still doesn't mean the money is there for it. isn't that something like what's going on in a lot of African countries? I genuinely don't know much about this stuff though, so i may be completely wrong.

kowloon

Good way of driving up consumption without improving conditions, of keeping the masses from being distracted by material plenty.
If you dig that sort of thing.

triseke

OP, you are full of sunshine and rainbows aren't you?

im invisible

War is peace,

ejmaztec

Captain Chaos wrote: »

What do you mean which, there is only one. There only ever has been one since 1990.

Superpowers come in assorted sizes, with matching nuclear accessories.

If we declared war on the US, Obama would have to ring up the Chinese Premier to arrange a loan to pay for the US war effort.

Wattle

How can a 'limited' war be a world war?

PK2008

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

Not for everyone's economy; the victor's economy?

The victor wouldn't benefit much unless they somehow managed to acquire something more valuable than the cost of waging war from the defeated country.

Example: The Iraq & Afghan wars are estimated to cost the US tax payer $2.4 trillion by 2017 : http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/10/24/us-iraq-usa-funding-idUSN2450753720071024

Germany was destroyed after WW2 and the Eastern part of the country fell under Soviet/Communist control. West Germany required massive reconstruction and foreign aid (Mostly US and British) to avoid mass starvation.

Economic benefits from WW2 are due to shifts in mass industrialisation operating models and rapid advances in technology triggered by the urgency to mobilise massive amounts of armaments for the war rather than appropriation of resources acquired during the war.

Military research still benefits economies (example: the internet traces its history back to American military) however wars are not necessarily required to advance technology for economic benefit, with the current levels of Nuclear weapons a new world war would surely result in mass destruction.

Doom

triseke wrote: »

OP, you are full of sunshine and rainbows aren't you?

Just looking for a way to get out of negative equity:D

Jeboa Safari

Nothing like getting all your cities leveled by nukes to spark a bit of growth

sheesh

is it me or has this place gotten a whole lot stupider recently?

RichieC

China would be the real winners there.

Biggins

Doom wrote: »

Is a world war imminent because of the recession?

No.

flanzer

What's the German army like these days anyway?

Robdude

How'd Ireland fair in the last world war?

marcsignal

flanzer wrote: »

What's the German army like these days anyway?

Unfit

p.oconnor

However bad history judges Hitler as a brutal dictator, he was responsible for turning around the German economy after the great depression with brutal efficiency as unemployment went from over 6 million (over 30%) in 1933 (the year he took power) to full employment by 1940.

Over the past 100 years 2 devastating wars have taken place with the latter directly attributed to the great depression, with this crisis while unlikely, a world war cannot be seen as totally far fetched, history has a terrible habit of repeating itself.

emo72

I think the west owes china a lot of money. If we can't pay it back then I would start getting wary. It looks like china may become the number 1 super power in the coming years. They are getting big trade deals with africa to get their natural resources. They help back up north korea. One saving grace is they need the west to keep consuming so they can keep growing. Interesting few years ahead!

Conor108

War, war never changes.

ejmaztec

p.oconnor wrote: »

However bad history judges Hitler as a brutal dictator, he was responsible for turning around the German economy after the great depression with brutal efficiency as unemployment went from over 6 million (over 30%) in 1933 (the year he took power) to full employment by 1940.

Over the past 100 years 2 devastating wars have taken place with the latter directly attributed to the great depression, with this crisis while unlikely, a world war cannot be seen as totally far fetched, history has a terrible habit of repeating itself.

Hitler only turned the economy around because Germany borrowed more money than it could ever pay back. Had the war not taken place, Germany would have been bankrupt much earlier, and there would have been no Marshall plan to kick-start the economy, because the plan only came into being because of the war.

Grimreaper666

stupidusername wrote: »

actually that's not a bad idea... i mean take for example funeral homes - they're probably one of the only stable areas of business to get into.

Oh really? Try getting payed promptly or even at all sometimes..........:rolleyes:

Yahew

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Oh really? Try getting payed promptly or even at all sometimes..........:rolleyes:

Theres people dying now that never died before.

stupidusername

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Oh really? Try getting payed promptly or even at all sometimes..........:rolleyes:

excuse my ignorance of the debt collection problems of the funeral home world

:rolleyes:

Grimreaper666

stupidusername wrote: »

excuse my ignorance of the debt collection problems of the funeral home world

:rolleyes:

It's not like we can go down and dig them up at the end of the month if they don't pay up, or would want to either to be honest!!:eek:

stupidusername

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

It's not like we can go down and dig them up at the end of the month if they don't pay up, or would want to either to be honest!!:eek:

what a great idea.

*strokes chin*

Grimreaper666

stupidusername wrote: »

what a great idea.

*strokes chin*

Wouldn't be very present after a month, believe me........

blackdog2

emo72 wrote: »

I think the west owes china a lot of money. If we can't pay it back then I would start getting wary. It looks like china may become the number 1 super power in the coming years. They are getting big trade deals with africa to get their natural resources. They help back up north korea. One saving grace is they need the west to keep consuming so they can keep growing. Interesting few years ahead!

Our other saving grace is that they built a huge dam in the middle of the country, the destruction of which would wipe out half of the country