Uncooked Oatmeal - The breakfast of champions or not?

Skr4wny

For breakfast everymorning I throw a cup of uncooked oatmeal, whey protein powder and half a litre of soya milk into a blender and the blending begins. A friend of mine saw this the other day and is trying to tell me not cooking the oatmeal is really bad. Given it comes in the same form when it's in muesli and people don't cook it I fail to see the problem here.

Peoples thoughts?

rubadub

Same as muesli as you said, I have had to say this in a few threads in the past when people questioned eating 'raw food'.

What was your friends reply when you said that?

Most rolled porridge oat flakes are already cooked to some degree too, one Irish producers site showed the making of them and they steam them.

Gummy Panda

I do that already with blended oats from a bulk supplier. Can't see anything wrong with it.

Skr4wny

rubadub wrote: »

What was your friends reply when you said that?

Shockingly enough he tried to tell me that it wasn't a problem in Muesli as it's a small amount. He's a plank, I've told him that and I shall continue to do what I always did!

Transform

The soy milk would be an issue IMO

Gummy Panda

Transform wrote: »

The soy milk would be an issue IMO

Why?

cormie

I used to have oats for a long time, mixed with apple, banana, sultanas and soy/rice milk. I'd always feel a little tired and bloated after, actually I worked at home and this was a good way to go back for a nap if I hadn't slept properly. I changed to a raw organic green smoothie breakfast and it doesn't slump me at all and also feels a lot lighter with no bloating and fills you up. Would typically be about 750ml>1l, contain 1 banana, dark leafy green veg (150gm approx spinach I use mainly), I'd also throw some flax/linseed into it and got some organic wheat grass powder recently so a bit of that now, maybe a celery stalk or two, bit of raw beetroot etc. If you want it nice and sweet, add a few dates too. I use a high speed blender and this takes care of the flax seeds so it's not all lumpy.

Transform

Phytoestrogens and milk is better or use almond milk if want lactose free

Dotcomdolly

Transform wrote: »

Phytoestrogens and milk is better or use almond milk if want lactose free

Is there anywhere that sells almond milk at a good price? it's €4+ in my local health food shop.

cormie

you can make it yourself very easily with a high speed blender. Just a few nuts and water. The blender would pay for itself after you've drank 150 litres

esperanza1

Why on earth do you blend it? My breakfast takes 2 minutes to prepare each morning, and no fancy equipment required. I have a portion of oats mixed with low-fat natural yoghurt and fruit (usually bananas or raspberries). It has everything you need - carbohydrates from the oats, which are low in saturated fat, protein from the yoghurt, also low in saturated fat and vitamins and minerals from the fruit.

I've been starting my day for over a year now this way, keeps me full for a good four hours. My bad cholesterol has dropped, as has my weight. Of course, changes have been made elsewhere too - more fruit & veg and more exercise, of course. My nutritionist says protein is the most important part of any breakfast, hence why I add a good dollop of yoghurt.

Frogdog

esperanza1 wrote: »

Why on earth do you blend it? My breakfast takes 2 minutes to prepare each morning, and no fancy equipment required. I have a portion of oats mixed with low-fat natural yoghurt and fruit (usually bananas or raspberries). It has everything you need - carbohydrates from the oats, which are low in saturated fat, protein from the yoghurt, also low in saturated fat and vitamins and minerals from the fruit.

I've been starting my day for over a year now this way, keeps me full for a good four hours. My cholesterol has dropped, as has my weight. Of course, changes have been made elsewhere too - more fruit & veg and more exercise, of course. My nutritionist says protein is the most important part of any breakfast, hence why I add a good dollop of yoghurt.

Why are you going for low-fat alternatives?

Transform

Transform wrote: »

Phytoestrogens and milk is better or use almond milk if want lactose free

or just lactose free milk...
sells in any supermarket
http://www.shelflife.ie/article.aspx?id=584

esperanza1

Frogdog wrote: »

Why are you going for low-fat alternatives?

On medical advice from a specialist and my nutritionist.

cormie

Why on Earth do I blend what? I was only talking about blending a mix of veg, fruit and seeds, then nuts, not porridge itself

Takes only a few minutes to blend and drink or you can take it with you if in a hurry.

I'd be leaning more towards almond milk as Transform suggested than any dairy myself.

esperanza1

cormie wrote: »

Why on Earth do I blend what? I was only talking about blending a mix of veg, fruit and seeds, then nuts, not porridge itself

Takes only a few minutes to blend and drink or you can take it with you if in a hurry.

I'd be leaning more towards almond milk as Transform suggested than any dairy myself.

My question was directed at the OP, not you. I've only read your post now. Just making the point that blending is a waste of time, not to mention electricity. You can take my breakfast with you, as well by the way. ;-)

Transform

Anyone want to tackle the low fat can of worms? I would throw in some nut butter into the cooked oats or just have eggs if you want more protein for bfast.

I would be wary of lactose free milk considering the process it has to g through to be created

Thomas Magnum

Transform wrote: »

Anyone want to tackle the low fat can of worms?

What's stopping you or can you not make an argument by yourself?

Transform

Transform wrote: »

Anyone want to tackle the low fat can of worms? I would throw in some nut butter into the cooked oats or just have eggs if you want more protein for bfast.

I would be wary of lactose free milk considering the process it has to g through to be created

what process? i thought they just added lactase?

should i just buy these?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VSTRY8?ie=UTF8&tag=tamsrec-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003VSTRY8

cormie

Just don't drink dairy I don't know all the facts but I instinctively believe the reason so many humans are intolerant is because drinking the milk a mother produces for their offspring, just isn't right, or meant for humans.

esperanza1

cormie wrote: »

Just don't drink dairy I don't know all the facts but I instinctively believe the reason so many humans are intolerant is because drinking the milk a mother produces for their offspring, just isn't right, or meant for humans.

Dairy isn't supposed to be meant for humans, that's right. Having said that some people especially Blood type B thrive on dairy products. Personally, I couldn't live without dairy in my diet.

oh not more of this blood group nonsense

Gummy Panda

Transform wrote: »

Phytoestrogens and milk is better or use almond milk if want lactose free

I thought the Phytoestrogens thing was put to rest and that it had no effect on test for males and no concrete evidence of effect on women?

UngratefulWhelp

esperanza1 wrote: »

Why on earth do you blend it? My breakfast takes 2 minutes to prepare each morning, and no fancy equipment required. I have a portion of oats mixed with low-fat natural yoghurt and fruit (usually bananas or raspberries). It has everything you need - carbohydrates from the oats, which are low in saturated fat, protein from the yoghurt, also low in saturated fat and vitamins and minerals from the fruit.

I've been starting my day for over a year now this way, keeps me full for a good four hours. My bad cholesterol has dropped, as has my weight. Of course, changes have been made elsewhere too - more fruit & veg and more exercise, of course. My nutritionist says protein is the most important part of any breakfast, hence why I add a good dollop of yoghurt.

How big a portion, as a matter of interest?

Inspector Coptoor

esperanza1 wrote: »

Frogdog wrote: »

Why are you going for low-fat alternatives?

On medical advice from a specialist and my nutritionist.

That's nutritional bro science as opposed to medical advice.

I have a coaching qualification & a degree in biochemistry, I could probably call myself a nutritionist if I wanted.
The real qualification is in dietetics.

On the low fat issue, you would be much better off going down the less extreme Dave Palumbo type diet that has protein:fats:carbs in the ratio of 50:25:25.

As Transform said, get some healthy fats in and some eggs & don't be afraid of butter.

My breakfast this morning was 3 large eggs, 3 egg whites scrambled with an avocado, 1 tbsp of all natural peanut butter, 6 fish oils & about a liter of water.

esperanza1

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

That's nutritional bro science as opposed to medical advice.

I have a coaching qualification & a degree in biochemistry, I could probably call myself a nutritionist if I wanted.
The real qualification is in dietetics.

The advice came from a nutritionist who is also a qualified medical doctor. So in this case, the advice I have received does indeed qualify as medical advice!

Inspector Coptoor

esperanza1 wrote: »

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

That's nutritional bro science as opposed to medical advice.

I have a coaching qualification & a degree in biochemistry, I could probably call myself a nutritionist if I wanted.
The real qualification is in dietetics.

The advice came from a nutritionist who is also a qualified medical doctor. So in this case, the advice I have received does indeed qualify as medical advice!

Not necessarily.
The nutritionist might be a qualified doctor but without a SPECIFIC qualification in dietetics, it's probably just this persons own opinion.

I know lots of good doctors but I wouldn't talk to them in a professional capacity about eating or training.

esperanza1

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

Not necessarily.
The nutritionist might be a qualified doctor but without a SPECIFIC qualification in dietetics, it's probably just this persons own opinion.

I know lots of good doctors but I wouldn't talk to them in a professional capacity about eating or training.

Mine is qualified in both. :-) Because of my medical condition, I have to have the best. ;-)

Transform

Thomas Magnum wrote: »

What's stopping you or can you not make an argument by yourself?

thats right i have time to sit and cover topics over and over again.

Sorry man but too busy to get into all of that all over again

Transform

bluewolf wrote: »

what process? i thought they just added lactase?

should i just buy these?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VSTRY8?ie=UTF8&tag=tamsrec-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003VSTRY8

to be honest i have not looked into it enough but would have thought it would be more than just the addition of lactase and more to do with the process of stripping away the lactose - more bloody heating and treating of the milk which its not like there has not been enough of that done.

Hence the growth in interest in REAL milk

Frogdog

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

Not necessarily.
The nutritionist might be a qualified doctor but without a SPECIFIC qualification in dietetics, it's probably just this persons own opinion.

I know lots of good doctors but I wouldn't talk to them in a professional capacity about eating or training.

A massive +1 to this.

I've come across countless examples over the years of doctors, with no more a qualification in dietetics than Ronald McDonald, telling people that the food pyramid is the model diet to follow for good health.

esperanza1

Frogdog wrote: »

A massive +1 to this.

I've come across countless examples over the years of doctors, with no more a qualification in dietetics than Ronald McDonald, telling people that the food pyramid is the model diet to follow for good health.

Me too. Also keep away from dieticians. Nutritionists who are also qualified medical doctors - like Eva Orsmond - offer much better advice, in my experience.

Orla K

esperanza1 wrote: »

Me too. Also keep away from dieticians. Nutritionists who are also qualified medical doctors - like Eva Orsmond - offer much better advice, in my experience.

I don't think many people here agree with her, she's for low fat stuff not alot of people agree with that and for me if I go low fat I just get ill. Looking at some of her meal plans she knows f all about nutrition and food(as in taste, texture, cooking)

Newaglish

esperanza1 wrote: »

Me too. Also keep away from dieticians. Nutritionists who are also qualified medical doctors - like Eva Orsmond - offer much better advice, in my experience.

I always thought a dietician was the clinical professional and a nutritionist is generally an unqualified hocus pocus merchant?

esperanza1

Orla K wrote: »

I don't think many people here agree with her, she's for low fat stuff not a lot of people agree with that and for me if I go low fat I just get ill. Looking at some of her meal plans she knows f all about nutrition and food(as in taste, texture, cooking)

Her - Orsmond ? No idea, never consulted her, but looking at the recipes on the Operation transformation site, I can confirm my own nutritionist has suggested diet along similar lines for me when I was overweight - it's all basic common sense really. Irish people eat way too much bread, biscuits, sweets, etc. - stuff full of saturated fat in most cases, not enough protein, and definitely not too enough fruit & veg which is where you get most of your essential vitamins and minerals from. if the food you eat is packed with nutrients you'll find you don't get as hungry as you would when you eat processed, refined stuff.

And I'm afraid people who are overweight have little choice but to choose low-fat alternatives. Given our sedentary lifestyles, we're just not burning the amount of calories we were a couple of decades ago. That's why I love porridge oats - they're low in saturated fat and keep you full for hours - great for breakfast and for snacks. No cooking required either, just add your yoghurt and fruit and hey presto! Has to be the simplest and healthiest breakfast around!

I'm against using low-fat stuff that has aspartame or any other unnatural stuff in it - all the weight watchers stuff has aspartame. I know some people think aspartame is not dangerous, but I've heard some horror stories too so I prefer to be safe, rather than sorry. ALWAYS ALWAYS read the ingredients on everything you buy VERY VERY carefully. Sometimes it's the hidden ingredients that could be making people ill, not the fact the product is low-fat to begin with. ;-)

I don't agree you should go for all low-fat alternatives though - there's some low-fat cheeses that are completely tasteless. My nutritionist said that you're better off actually going for the full-fat versions in that case, as if the cheese is tasteless you'd just end up eating more of it, whereas with the full-fat you're going to get fuller quicker as it's richer in taste. Works for me, anyway!

esperanza1

Newaglish wrote: »

I always thought a dietician was the clinical professional and a nutritionist is generally an unqualified hocus pocus merchant?

Nope, where did you get that idea? My nutritionist works at a hospital.

Their actual title is 'clinical nutritionist'. See here:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/care_in_your_community/dietician_clinical_nutritionists.html

A nutritionist is more likely to look at underlying medical factors, in my experience.

Inspector Coptoor

esperanza1 wrote: »

Nope, where did you get that idea? My nutritionist works at a hospital.

Their actual title is 'clinical nutritionist'. See here:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/care_in_your_community/dietician_clinical_nutritionists.html

A nutritionist is more likely to look at underlying medical factors, in my experience.

That is the same idea I outlined to you yesterday and that idea is more than that, it is a factual statement.

The breakfast you have outlined isnt the worst Ive ever seen but there are simpler, easier and better ones out there.

Nutritionist is a term that means feck all. the word is not regulated and anyone can call themselves one.

A dietician has studied dietetics and is qualified to dispense medical advice if that is what someone needs due to whatever condition(s) they may have.

Newaglish

esperanza1 wrote: »

Nope, where did you get that idea? My nutritionist works at a hospital.

Their actual title is 'clinical nutritionist'. See here:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/care_in_your_community/dietician_clinical_nutritionists.html

A nutritionist is more likely to look at underlying medical factors, in my experience.

That sort of confirms my point. A dietitian is a medical professional, a nutritionist can be anyone (like a personal trainer or someone with a BA in nutrition). A clinical nutritionist, as distinct from a nutritionist, is a dietitian, a member of the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute.

esperanza1

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

That is the same idea I outlined to you yesterday and that idea is more than that, it is a factual statement.

The breakfast you have outlined isnt the worst Ive ever seen but there are simpler, easier and better ones out there.

Nutritionist is a term that means feck all. the word is not regulated and anyone can call themselves one.

A dietician has studied dietetics and is qualified to dispense medical advice if that is what someone needs due to whatever condition(s) they may have.

Please share these then! I'm very happy with my own, but am willing to try others if they're as cheap, quick and healthy as you claim.

FYI:
"WHAT IS A DIETITIAN/ CLINICAL NUTRITIONIST?
A Dietitian or Clinical Nutritionist working in Ireland has a recognized qualification in Nutrition & Dietetics and is a member of the Irish Nutrition and Dietetics Institute (M.I.N.D.I.). We have a scientific and medical background, which ensures that we can educate you on your nutritional needs, taking into account any medical condition you may have."
Source: http://www.livinghealth.ie/dietician_cork.html

esperanza1

Newaglish wrote: »

That sort of confirms my point. A dietitian is a medical professional, a nutritionist can be anyone (like a personal trainer or someone with a BA in nutrition). A clinical nutritionist, as distinct from a nutritionist, is a dietitian, a member of the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute.

Indeed, that's the point I was making. Varies from country to country of course! ;-)

Inspector Coptoor

have you not been reading this thread?
did you not see the breakfast i posted up yesterday?

here goes again so:
3 eggs + 3 egg yolks scrambled with an avocado and a tablespoon of all natural peanut butter.

This would be a breakfast for someone in the 14 -16 stone category and gives the following macronutrient breakdown:

800kcals
61g of fat
43.6g of protein
23g carbs

Inspector Coptoor

esperanza1 wrote: »

Indeed, that's the point I was making. Varies from country to country of course! ;-)

if that was the point you were making, it was made extremely badly.
throughout this post you kept using the word nutritionist, then out of nowhere you started using the word "clinicial" nutritionist, which isnt really a nutritionist by trade but a dietician.

you really are wrong here

Transform

plus i fail to see any condition that would be made worse through ample amounts of full fat (and saturated fat) and zero 'low-fat' foods.

esperanza1

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

have you not been reading this thread?
did you not see the breakfast i posted up yesterday?

here goes again so:
3 eggs + 3 egg yolks scrambled with an avocado and a tablespoon of all natural peanut butter.

This would be a breakfast for someone in the 14 -16 stone category and gives the following macronutrient breakdown:

800kcals
61g of fat
43.6g of protein
23g carbs

800kcals for breakfast ! OH-MY-GOD!!

Unless you're doing bodybuilding, there's no way you need 800kcal - you should be on least half that!

Note that avocado is high in saturated fat so watch out for that.

As for the peanut butter, not a fan of nuts in general or any nutty pastes, but isn't it high in sugar? Also what percentage of saturated fat is in the peanut butter?

I think you'd do better replacing the avocado with spinach - full of vitamins and minerals to keep you full, just like the avocado but without the high saturated fat content. Any green veg should be good with the eggs - courgettes are nice too.

To get ideas for a low-calorie brekkie, why not check out the Operation Transformation page - choose a leader around the same weight as yourself - lots of choice ...

Newaglish

esperanza1 wrote: »

Note that avocado is high in saturated fat so watch out for that.

If I were the type to use the roll eyes emoticon, I would be all over that bad boy right now.

Inspector Coptoor

esperanza1 wrote: »

800kcals for breakfast ! OH-MY-GOD!!

Unless you're doing bodybuilding, there's no way you need 800kcal - you should be on least half that!

Note that avocado is high in saturated fat so watch out for that.

As for the peanut butter, not a fan of nuts in general or any nutty pastes, but isn't it high in sugar? Also what percentage of saturated fat is in the peanut butter?

I think you'd do better replacing the avocado with spinach - full of vitamins and minerals to keep you full, just like the avocado but without the high saturated fat content. Any green veg should be good with the eggs - courgettes are nice too.

I outline that that was for me, a 100kg man who trains 5-8 tims per week and lifts moderately heavy weights 3-4 times per week.

For a woman, who weighed 50-60kg, that could easily be halved.

The avocado has 3.7g saturated fat out of a total fat content of 25.4g.

The peanut butter is all natural. Its made by meridian and the only ingredients are peanuts and salt. as for the sugar content, it works out as 11.6 of carb per 100g serving and only 5.8g of that is sugar and seeing as how a serving is only 30g or so, thats less then 2g of sugar per serving.

Orla K

esperanza1 wrote: »

Her - Orsmond ? No idea, never consulted her, but looking at the recipes on the Operation transformation site, I can confirm my own nutritionist has suggested diet along similar lines for me when I was overweight - it's all basic common sense really. Irish people eat way too much bread, biscuits, sweets, etc. - stuff full of saturated fat in most cases, not enough protein, and definitely not too enough fruit & veg which is where you get most of your essential vitamins and minerals from. if the food you eat is packed with nutrients you'll find you don't get as hungry as you would when you eat processed, refined stuff.

And I'm afraid people who are overweight have little choice but to choose low-fat alternatives. Given our sedentary lifestyles, we're just not burning the amount of calories we were a couple of decades ago. That's why I love porridge oats - they're low in saturated fat and keep you full for hours - great for breakfast and for snacks. No cooking required either, just add your yoghurt and fruit and hey presto! Has to be the simplest and healthiest breakfast around!

I'm against using low-fat stuff that has aspartame or any other unnatural stuff in it - all the weight watchers stuff has aspartame. I know some people think aspartame is not dangerous, but I've heard some horror stories too so I prefer to be safe, rather than sorry. ALWAYS ALWAYS read the ingredients on everything you buy VERY VERY carefully. Sometimes it's the hidden ingredients that could be making people ill, not the fact the product is low-fat to begin with. ;-)

I don't agree you should go for all low-fat alternatives though - there's some low-fat cheeses that are completely tasteless. My nutritionist said that you're better off actually going for the full-fat versions in that case, as if the cheese is tasteless you'd just end up eating more of it, whereas with the full-fat you're going to get fuller quicker as it's richer in taste. Works for me, anyway!

It's not the saturated fat in bread, biscuits and sweets that are the problem.
I'll agree with you on the not enough protein, veg and whole fruits.
People that are overweight do have more choice and it's a better choice.
You can change a sedentary lifestyle and move more.
I've read different posts about your breakfast I don't know how many times, you love it and that's great but do you don't need to post it on every thread.
What's better than looking at ingredients all over the shop is to not buy a food with a list of ingredients and just buy whole foods, ie veg, meat, fish, oils, nuts, fruit, herbs and spices, they go along alot further and are much healthier.
Your nutritionist sounds like they're been out of college for far too long and have stopped keeping up with new information that's coming out, I would suggest you get a new one.

esperanza1

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

I outline that that was for me, a 100kg man who trains 5-8 tims per week and lifts moderately heavy weights 3-4 times per week.

For a woman, who weighed 50-60kg, that could easily be halved.

The avocado has 3.7g saturated fat out of a total fat content of 25.4g.

The peanut butter is all natural. Its made by meridian and the only ingredients are peanuts and salt. as for the sugar content, it works out as 11.6 of carb per 100g serving and only 5.8g of that is sugar and seeing as how a serving is only 30g or so, thats less then 2g of sugar per serving.

Avocado is high in fat rather - not saturated, sorry. What do you eat when avocados are out of season or do you always eat same?

I'd say you could find better alternatives to the peanut butter. Have you consulted a dietician/clinical nutritionist yet?

Hanley

I'm constantly amazed at how one ill-informed ignoramus can absolutely destroy multiple threads in a forum.

esperanza i suggest you read some stickies and stop this WW-style obsession about saturated fat or fat in general

Inspector Coptoor

esperanza1 wrote: »

I'd say you could find better alternatives to the peanut butter. Have you consulted a dietician/clinical nutritionist yet?

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