Does Kevin Doyle = Berbatov...

darkman2

...in terms of laziness? I don't know what has happened to Doyle in the last year but he is not playing well at all and it's almost like he has become lazy.

Anyone agree? 12 months ago he would have been a dead cert to be second on the plane for a major tournament IMO. Now i'm not sure whether he should be on the plane at all with the list of other options up front.

This sums it up this year for me. Yeah they scored an og but what was Doyle at? Trapattoni would have eaten the head off him had the og not been scored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp80Uk9t9o0

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Berbatov deserves to be lazy if he likes because he's amazeballs.

Blatter

Doyle has been nothing short of dire for Ireland and Wolves for months now.

If his form doesn't improve he should not be starting for Ireland at Euro 2012.

On current form(and indeed over the last number of months) Walters >>>>>>>>>> Doyle

Paparazzo

Well, up to last year you couldn't get more opposite.
Doyle worked tirelessly and gets about 4 goals a season. Berbatov does nothing and finishes top scorer.

The_Kew_Tour

Walters should be one of the first players on Traps starting list next summer.

Doyle has been pure muck for the last few months.

It's been Fletcher that has been keeping Wolves grinding out results.

Not sure of the reasons why he has become so poor. I would not say he is lazy, maybe just maybe he is not Premiership standard and I know some might totally disagree.

mike65

He hasn't played well since he got that knock last season. I think he is just knackered and needs a few months out, his game relies on tireless running and harrying.

darkman2

How many goals did Doyle score in qualifying? I know he got 1 good goal against Andorra I think but did he contribute much apart from that in the campaign? Yet Trapattoni will probably still have him first choice.

double GG

I have never really rated Doyle.
The rumours of him going to Arsenal a season or two ago were laughable and for 10 million or more.... The guy had an okay season in the premier league when Reading were playing well. He has scored 2 goals I think this year, hardly any bloody good.

When you look at Keane, Walters and Long who all should be ahead of Doyle, his place on the plane should be in doubt if current form persists.

What does Doyle bring? He isn't fast. He doesn't score many. He doesn't get many assists. He isn't a goal poacher. He isn't overly good at holding the ball up.

Berbatov on the other hand holds the ball well. Scores goals. Gets a few assists And is just a class act.

darkman2

Blatter wrote: »

Walters >>>>>>>>>> Doyle

Long>>>>>>>>>Walters (atm) Doyle is down the pecking order for me. Maybe i'd even put Best in ahead of him right now. Hope his form improves.

The_Kew_Tour

darkman2 wrote: »

How many goals did Doyle score in qualifying? I know he got 1 good goal against San Marino I think but did he contribute much apart from that in the campaign? Yet Trapattoni will probably still have him first choice.

2 of top my head both at home and away to Andorra.

Open to correction, but they only two I can think of.

and yet people will have a go at Robbie.

DOC09UNAM

Berbatov walking get's into better positions than doyle running so no, not the same.

Het-Field

The reality is, Trappatoni will bring a number of bods, whose participation in the tournament should be questioned. I remain concerned that the likes of Kevin Kilbane, Paul McShane, Paul Green,Andy Keogh, Darren O'Dea,and Liam Lawrence remain in contention,while the likes of Joey O'Brien, Mark Wilson, Leon Best, and Anthony Stokes will not even be considered.

In relation to Doyle, it is undeniable that Jon Walters and Stephen Long have had much better seasons than Doyle, while Robbie Keane is now in the retirement home of the MLS. My preferred partnership would be Long and Walters. In spite of that, the iconic status of Robbie Keane will ensure his name on the teamsheet, and Doyle will be his partner next June.

ctrl-alt-delete

Have not watched him in action for Wolves this season, so can only base it on his last few Ireland appearances with which I was not very impressed with him. However I was under the impression he was not fully fit.

darkman2

Het-Field wrote: »

I remain concerned that the likes of Kevin Kilbane, Paul McShane, Paul Green,Andy Keogh, Darren O'Dea,and Liam Lawrence.

Maybe in contention for the flight but hardly the first team? McShane in defence v Spain? :eek:


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Het-Field

darkman2 wrote: »

Maybe in contention for the flight but hardly the first team? McShane in defence v Spain? :eek:


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

The prospect of injury always increases the prospect of him taking the field


I would much rather Joey O'Brien!

CSF

Berbatov and Doyle should never be used in the same sentence, in any context.

Predalien

Yeah he's definitely had a bad year, I'd forgive a few of the performances for Ireland on the basis that he wasn't fully fit but when I've seen him for Wolves he has been poor also. On form the Irish front two should be Long and Walters, but more likely to be Keane and Long.

Samich

Berbatov isn't lazy.
Doyle isn't lazy.

They're pro footballers.

Raskolnikov

Het-Field wrote: »

Leon Best, and Anthony Stokes

I have some sympathy for Leon Best, but Anthony Stokes marked his card when he went AWOL for us over the Summer.

Het-Field

Raskolnikov wrote: »

I have some sympathy for Leon Best, but Anthony Stokes marked his card when he went AWOL for us over the Summer.

In fairness, he wasnt the only one. He seemed to be scapegoated for the act of a number of players.

tolosenc

Het-Field wrote: »

In fairness, he wasnt the only one. He seemed to be scapegoated for the act of a number of players.

Wilson was worse not even bothering to say he wasn't going to show, but neither will be called on by Trap. Quite rightly, IMO.

tolosenc

Het-Field wrote: »

the iconic status of Robbie Keane will ensure his name on the teamsheet

That, and the fact that he is, by some distance, our best striker.

Het-Field

tolosenc wrote: »

That, and the fact that he is, by some distance, our best striker.

That is certainly debatable in this day and age.

I will agree that for many years he was, and I would agree that his eye for goal is stronger than that of his competitors in the green jersey, but I would question whether he offers as much as he used in the past.

GLaDOS

darkman2 wrote: »

Long>>>>>>>>>Walters (atm)

Maybe in terms of goalscoring but Walters is a better all round player imo

Blatter

Samich wrote: »

Berbatov isn't lazy.
Doyle isn't lazy.

They're pro footballers.

Lazy pro footballers do exist, you know?

DOC09UNAM

Blatter wrote: »

Samich wrote: »

Berbatov isn't lazy.
Doyle isn't lazy.

They're pro footballers.

Lazy pro footballers do exist, you know?

You don't become a pro footballer by being lazy?

Paparazzo

Samich wrote: »

Berbatov isn't lazy.
Doyle isn't lazy.

They're pro footballers.

Sure berbatov gave an interview saying in order to be considered a success in Bulgaria you can't be seen to work hard. That's why he strolls around the pitch. It has to appear like you're doing nothing.

Raskolnikov

Paparazzo wrote: »

Sure berbatov gave an interview saying in order to be considered a success in Bulgaria you can't be seen to work hard. That's why he strolls around the pitch. It has to appear like you're doing nothing.

Tell that to Barcelona, probably the hardest working team on the planet

applehunter

Going to Wolves has been a bad move for Doyle.

Playing up top in a 4-5-1 is a tough shift and seems to have taken away some of his spark.

If anything he has regressed.

Cantona's Collars

applehunter wrote: »

Going to Wolves has been a bad move for Doyle.

Playing up top in a 4-5-1 is a tough shift and seems to have taken away some of his spark.

If anything he has regressed.

Playing up front for Wolves would take away anyones spark.Given decent service instead of running himself into the ground for a lost cause I'm sure Doyle would get a decent goal haul.

Luap

Looked very disinterested in the last few Ireland games. Depression? Who knows whats wrong with footballers these day.

BOHtox

I've never seen Doyle post. BERBA can be very annoying though

tolosenc

Het-Field wrote: »

That is certainly debatable in this day and age.

I will agree that for many years he was, and I would agree that his eye for goal is stronger than that of his competitors in the green jersey, but I would question whether he offers as much as he used in the past.

Most goals in a year for Ireland in 2011 tied with a couple of other years, but this was in the fewest games.

He's a striker. If he sticks the ball in the net twice a game, he can pick his hole for the rest of the match for all I care.

He does great work dropping back too, and he firmly believes in the team and the management.

Dropping him is lunacy. His talent is huge, if he played for a team like Germany, Holland, Spain, Italy, Brazil, or Argentina, he'd be down as one of the all time greats of international football. Could you imagine how many goals he'd have if he got the kind of service David Villa is afforded?

Father Damo

Meh. Might have had a medicore year but hes been a great Ireland servant for years now. Dont forget Robbie Keane had a 3 odd year patch of being one of the best in the PL and being awful for Ireland around 2005- 2007, now look at him. Doesnt play with any stunning flair or class but still gets the goals when we need them.

aidan24326

applehunter wrote: »

Going to Wolves has been a bad move for Doyle.

Playing up top in a 4-5-1 is a tough shift and seems to have taken away some of his spark.

If anything he has regressed.

Because his job at Wolves involves running around like a blue arsed fly. The Wolves fans love him, mainly for his unselfish workrate. But he doesn't score enough goals for a striker and never has. He's a player that has made the most of limited ability.

smokedeels

What a bizarre comparison.

Kevin Doyle could never look this cool...

The_B_Man

This is gonna sound a bit simplistic, but has anyone considered the possibility that Trap wants to play him to hold up the ball (or win back the ball), then pass it to Robbie to do the finishing?

For example, have Robbie goal poaching, possibly marked, then pass to Doyler inside the box. Doyler looks like hes gonna shoot so all the defenders rush him, and all he does is make a little pass to Robbie to finish off the move.

He's also a good header and can win them long balls. But of course, thats not factoring in Walters ability to do the exact same thing (plus score).

gosplan

Trap's style is really hard on Doyle who's really asked to be a workhorse and nothing more. I'm sure he's content to perform whatever role he's asked but he's suffering as much as anyone from Ireland's negative style.

That said, I don't think he's slacked off, he's just playing a different, yet still tireless, game for Ireland.

As regards Wolves, I don't watch them that much but it should be possible for players to go through dips in form without being labelled 'lazy' by someone that watches 5 min highlight clips. Has Tim Cahill also become 'lazy' this year I wonder?

Also as regards R.Keane. In the premiership, his natural finishing ability can be easily replaced by someone who also has a better, more physical all-round game. Ireland don't have that luxury.

International matches, even in the Euro's, won't test an ageing Keane as much as a premiership defence would, but his inate ability to get in the right position and then consistantly convert the simple chances is vital to Ireland.

pickarooney

Paparazzo wrote: »

Sure berbatov gave an interview saying in order to be considered a success in Bulgaria you can't be seen to work hard. That's why he strolls around the pitch. It has to appear like you're doing nothing.

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Tell that to Barcelona, probably the hardest working team on the planet

I'm not sure if either of you are actually reading the quote you're commenting on. He's quite right in that many of the great players don't seem like they're working hard, they have the knack of reading the game and moving into position while lesser talents are hopelessly puffing about the pitch like a three-legged Jack Russell and being cheered on by crowds and pundits who think 'hard work' i.e. brainless running, is the most commendable attribute of a professional footballer.

sundula

No comparison, I'm no Berba fan but he has a great goal scoring record, fantastic natural ability and skill and as has already being said he can find better positions without running around like a terrier/ headless chicken.

Doyle has been poor, probably due to injury and probably due to the quality of ball he gets a Wolves. Doyle was over hyped by Irish media which was understandable given his rapid rise to the premier league.

Doyle has limited ability, he will never score enough goals in the premier league in any team in my opinion. He is all about hard work - if he loses his 'engine' then he will really struggle to make any time.