Don't Smack your Child, They'll take you to Court

Stiffler2

Heard on the radio yesterday and I truly did lol that FG have plans to bring in laws to prevent Parents from smacking their child if they mis-behave.

I think this is a step too far but I got a great lol out of it none the less.

I mean if you smack a 5 yr old to discipline him / her can you imagine them contacting a lawyer & bringing you to a small claims court.


F***KING ridiculous, have the government really got nothing better to do than to come up with braindead idea's when the country is in the state it's in ??

I don't know about the rest of you but I got my ass handed to me by my Dad when I misbehaved and it did me the world of good.

And while I'm at it I may as well add this, do you know kids are no longer allowed to run in the playground at most schools these days due to parents sueing the school over injuries caused by running, playing football etc....

But sure hey, let's ban excercise, then call everyone fat and bring in a sugar tax - wwwwhhhheeeyyyyyyyyyy.

F****n idiots

Some ppl need to wake up and smell the fresh air.

link / Proof = http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-government-set-to-ban-parents-smacking-kids-136304768.html

Carter P Fly

redirect: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056479871

fedor.2.

Smacking your kids is completely unnecessary

Nuttzz

fedor.2. wrote: »

Smacking your kids is completely unnecessary

My father kicked the crap out of me and I look forward to kicking the crap out of my own kids...

jimjimjimmy

Giving them a smack which doesn't hurt should be allowed, it works with dogs so why not kids?

danniemcq

nothing wrong with a slap across the back of the legs, i turned out fine

i'd give enda kenny a smack on the back of the head though

fedor.2.

Nuttzz wrote: »

My father kicked the crap out of me and I look forward to kicking the crap out of my own kids...

Then your father should have been charged with child abuse

Ellis Dee

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Heard on the radio yesterday and I truly did lol that FG have plans to bring in laws to prevent Parents from smacking their child if they mis-behave.

I think this is a step too far but I got a great lol out of it none the less.

I mean if you smack a 5 yr old to discipline him / her can you imagine them contacting a lawyer & bringing you to a small claims court.


F***KING ridiculous, have the government really got nothing better to do than to come up with braindead idea's when the country is in the state it's in ??

I don't know about the rest of you but I got my ass handed to me by my Dad when I misbehaved and it did me the world of good.

And while I'm at it I may as well add this, do you know kids are no longer allowed to run in the playground at most schools these days due to parents sueing the school over injuries caused by running, playing football etc....

But sure hey, let's ban excercise, then call everyone fat and bring in a sugar tax - wwwwhhhheeeyyyyyyyyyy.

F****n idiots

Some ppl need to wake up and smell the fresh air.

link / Proof = http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-government-set-to-ban-parents-smacking-kids-136304768.html

What a hysterical OP! I'm sure it would make some of the Daily Hatemail's veteran journos wince with embarrassment. The only information of any real value in it is that Stiffler 2 had a violent father and believes it was good for him. Rather like the battered wives, who are often convinced that they "deserve" what their violent husbands do to them.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Stiffler2

Carter P Fly wrote: »

redirect: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056479871

thread is similiar but that thread is :

Were you hit by your Parents.

This thread is similiar alright but discussing the laws that FG want to bring in to ban smacking your child so they're different debates

Beating the crap out of your child should be illegal but that would be child abuse.

Smacking your child is completely acceptable and shouldn't be brought into law

Either way the child isn't going to bring you to court.

Did I hear someone above mention a Dennis Leary quote ?

suicide_circus

fedor.2. wrote: »

Smacking your kids is completely unnecessary

Not everyone has the patience, intelligence or armchair psychology degree necessary to reason with a tantruming 6 year old. And not every tantruming 6 year old can be reasoned with.

Crazy Horse 6

More nanny state nonsense. Nothing wrong with a clip around the ear for a kid if they deserve it.

danniemcq

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Did I hear someone above mention a Dennis Leary quote ?

if it was a Denis Leary quote then it was more than likely a Bill Hicks quote originally.

fedor.2.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not everyone has the patience, intelligence or armchair psychology degree necessary to reason with a tantruming 6 year old. And not every tantruming 6 year old can be reasoned with.

Ah, so resorting to violence is the answer, is it??.

strobe

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not everyone has the patience, intelligence or armchair psychology degree necessary to reason with a tantruming 6 year old.

They shouldn't have had children then.

suicide_circus wrote: »

And not every tantruming 6 year old can be reasoned with.

Any 6 year old that has been raised properly up until the age of 6 can be reasoned with however.

Raise your kids properly from the start and you will never have to hit them.

3ndahalfof6

They should get 2 smacks a day whether they deserve them or not.

danniemcq

fedor.2. wrote: »

Ah, so resorting to violence is the answer, is it??.

there is a difference between being violent towards your child and smacking your child.

like i said above, smack the back of the legs and you get a loud noise and a shocked kid, no permenant damage and 5 mins later they are fine and have forgotten all about it but have learned their lesson.

Beat the **** outta your kid for sport then you have problems

skregs

ITT: childless people give unwaranted parenting advice

danniemcq

strobe wrote: »

Any 6 year old that has been raised properly up until the age of 6 can be reasoned with however.

Raise your kids properly from the start and you will never have to hit them.

my arse! thats the craziest thing i have ever heard. if by age 6 your kid is perfect you've done some bad parenting. all kids do stuff that get them in trouble (i was 8 and chasing sheep with the neighbours dog). i had a loving mother who treated me right. If she had took me and said in a calm tone that what i had done was wrong etc i wouldn't have paid any attention.

the couple of smacks across the thighs i got fecking woke me up to it though. Never done it again. its lessons, every action has a reaction. you do somthing bad you will be punished

Freddie59

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not everyone has the patience, intelligence or armchair psychology degree necessary to reason with a tantruming 6 year old. And not every tantruming 6 year old can be reasoned with.

Agreed. As a parent of three (now adults) children there is absolutely nothing wrong with a light smack. It isn't necessarily that it will hurt them, but acts as a deterrent.

As you mention a tantruming six year-old, it never ceases to amaze me when you see two year-olds rampaging on programmes like Supernanny. How can a toddler arrive at this moment?

I had an elderly aunt (God rest her) who always said 'you have to catch them at the cradle', meaning that manners and respect must be taught from the earliest age.

And there is the core issue: manners and respect. Discipline must be coupled with these in order for a child to become a balanced, respectful individual. We've often discussed the matter with our own children, and they would agree with our outlook.

But isn't this proposal part of a wider problem? It's in the same vein as 'let's not jail certain criminals', 'let's place this family of scumbags which has wreaked havoc everywhere it went next to decent people - they'll rehabilitate them'. The usual liberal BS.

There is nothing worse than seeing a child rule a house. And the parents powerless. It is very, very sad. If such a law is introduced it will be a very retrograde step.

Freddie59

fedor.2. wrote: »

Ah, so resorting to violence is the answer, is it??.

Define 'violence'. Sometimes you can lift a child's hand and almost 'pretend' smack on the wrist (without hurting the child) and this achieves the desired effect.

IvySlayer

A light slap is not violent.

Some people hate slapping but approve isolation and deprivation and other means of mental torture. Nice one.

Son Of A Vidic

strobe wrote: »

Raise your kids properly from the start and you will never have to hit them.

True, but a headbutt may be required occasionally.

suicide_circus

strobe wrote: »

They shouldn't have had children then.

And who is gonna decide and police who has kids? You?

recylingbin

And just where will the child get the money to take me to court?

Exactly.

*resets hands to smack*

monkeypants

* Receives court summons from child *

"I hope you like beans on toast, because that's what you'll be getting for the next couple of years."

Mike 1972

Just what the country needs -another law which the authorities have niether the wherewithall nor the will to enforce.

jimjimjimmy wrote: »

Giving them a smack which doesn't hurt should be allowed

Hardly much point

Cavehill Red

I have zero respect for anyone who thinks that hitting kids is ever justifiable. I just hope your knuckles drag the Earth so low that when the red rage comes over you, it's too heavy to lift your hand to a child.

Would you mind if the teacher hit your kids? They're trained education professionals with qualifications in dealing with children, unlike most parents. What about one of your neighbours? What if I came round and belted your kids one?

I suspect you'd be outraged if anyone else hit your kids, and so you should be. Well, the same applies to you, in fact all the moreso because you, as parent, are the responsible adult in a child's life.

I am an angry Northerner, quick to temper, and not averse to settling an argument physically if the situation demands it. But I never have and never will hit a child, because it is entirely unnecessary and wrong to do so. And nor should anyone else. Seriously, what are we, the Taliban? Let's grow out of the Dark Ages mentality, please. You don't hit kids, simple as.

Freddie59

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I have zero respect for anyone who thinks that hitting kids is ever justifiable. I just hope your knuckles drag the Earth so low that when the red rage comes over you, it's too heavy to lift your hand to a child.

Would you mind if the teacher hit your kids? They're trained education professionals with qualifications in dealing with children, unlike most parents. What about one of your neighbours? What if I came round and belted your kids one?

I suspect you'd be outraged if anyone else hit your kids, and so you should be. Well, the same applies to you, in fact all the moreso because you, as parent, are the responsible adult in a child's life.

I am an angry Northerner, quick to temper, and not averse to settling an argument physically if the situation demands it. But I never have and never will hit a child, because it is entirely unnecessary and wrong to do so. And nor should anyone else. Seriously, what are we, the Taliban? Let's grow out of the Dark Ages mentality, please. You don't hit kids, simple as.

Complete and utter rubbish. A child needs to be taught boundaries, especially when 'reasoning' fails. is it any wonder that there appears to be an increase in the amount of obnoxious behaviour - even by toddlers - nowadays?

Do you have children yourself? Have you reared them to adulthood?

Cavehill Red

Freddie59 wrote: »

Complete and utter rubbish. A child needs to be taught boundaries, especially when 'reasoning' fails. is it any wonder that there appears to be an increase in the amount of obnoxious behaviour - even by toddlers - nowadays?

Do you have children yourself? Have you reared them to adulthood?

Yes I do, and yes I have, and no I never once needed to so much as raise my voice a few decibels higher than normal. My child is a good student, never in trouble, doesn't drink or smoke, and speaks five languages. That was achieved through reason not violence.

CamperMan

Nuttzz wrote: »

My father kicked the crap out of me and I look forward to kicking the crap out of my own kids...

kick the crap out of your father, not your kids

danniemcq

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I have zero respect for anyone who thinks that hitting kids is ever justifiable. I just hope your knuckles drag the Earth so low that when the red rage comes over you, it's too heavy to lift your hand to a child.

Would you mind if the teacher hit your kids? They're trained education professionals with qualifications in dealing with children, unlike most parents. What about one of your neighbours? What if I came round and belted your kids one?

I suspect you'd be outraged if anyone else hit your kids, and so you should be. Well, the same applies to you, in fact all the moreso because you, as parent, are the responsible adult in a child's life.

I am an angry Northerner, quick to temper, and not averse to settling an argument physically if the situation demands it. But I never have and never will hit a child, because it is entirely unnecessary and wrong to do so. And nor should anyone else. Seriously, what are we, the Taliban? Let's grow out of the Dark Ages mentality, please. You don't hit kids, simple as.

yeah cause the irreversable effects shown on scores of parents and grandparents across this country are easily seen. Have you seen some of the kids in schools these days? no matter what they do whats the worse that will happen?

detention? not a deterent.
suspension? see above

embaress and shame the f*ck outta them by giving them a smack in front of the class? thats effective.

As for random people hitting/smacking your kids. nah, punishment should be delivered by guardians. if you have random people doing this you can end up in a lot of bother.

And i think some people are not understanding the difference in hitting and smacking, i would never hit a child the same way i would an adult. with a child you are looking for the shock and awe effect. quick smack loud noise shocked child. and i said in previous posts the thighs/back of legs work best.

Cavehill Red

Freddie59 wrote: »

Complete and utter rubbish. A child needs to be taught boundaries, especially when 'reasoning' fails. is it any wonder that there appears to be an increase in the amount of obnoxious behaviour - even by toddlers - nowadays?

Do you have children yourself? Have you reared them to adulthood?

I should add: if you have to resort to beating your kids to impose boundaries, it isn't reasoning that's failed, it's you.

Dravokivich

Slapping a child as a corrective measure is nowhere near the same level of physicality of beating them up and abusing a child. An extreme which a lot of people seem to be too quick to latch onto.

People who utilise a slap in such a fashion are not resorting to it because they're getting frustrated while their kid is uncontrollable. It's a stern and dominating way of telling a kid that that kind of behaviour is not on.

Cavehill Red

danniemcq wrote: »

yeah cause the irreversable effects shown on scores of parents and grandparents across this country are easily seen. Have you seen some of the kids in schools these days? no matter what they do whats the worse that will happen?

detention? not a deterent.
suspension? see above

embaress and shame the f*ck outta them by giving them a smack in front of the class? thats effective.

As for random people hitting/smacking your kids. nah, punishment should be delivered by guardians. if you have random people doing this you can end up in a lot of bother.

And i think some people are not understanding the difference in hitting and smacking, i would never hit a child the same way i would an adult. with a child you are looking for the shock and awe effect. quick smack loud noise shocked child. and i said in previous posts the thighs/back of legs work best.

The kids you're referring to are effectively feral. Chances are they're being beaten at home already. It's very likely that's part of the problem with them, in fact. And as a poster stated already in this thread, you need to catch them much earlier and impose boundaries from an early age. Withholding privileges, pocket money and grounding all worked well for me, as did explaining what the story was to the kid each time.
When it became clear that I stuck to my decisions and they missed out on stuff they wanted or things they wanted to do, the light came on and stayed on.
You don't need to hit kids, and there is actually no logical reason why parents should be exempted from that. Kids aren't your possessions. They're people, not chattel, and they're people who rely on parents to guide and protect them until they're old enough to be autonomous. If your way of guiding and protecting a child is to beat them about, then, as the internet meme goes, you're doing it wrong.

Cavehill Red

Dravokivich wrote: »

Slapping a child as a corrective measure is nowhere near the same level of physicality of beating them up and abusing a child. An extreme which a lot of people seem to be too quick to latch onto.

People who utilise a slap in such a fashion are not resorting to it because they're getting frustrated while their kid is uncontrollable. It's a stern and dominating way of telling a kid that that kind of behaviour is not on.

Or you could try the direct route and just actually TELL them that it's not on instead of being oblique about your message with your fists.

Dravokivich

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Or you could try the direct route and just actually TELL them that it's not on instead of being oblique about your message with your fists.

You don't slap with a fist, which is exactly the point I intended to get across...

Cavehill Red

Dravokivich wrote: »

You don't slap with a fist, which is exactly the point I intended to get across...

And unless you're deaf, you don't talk with your hands either, which is exactly the point I intended to get across...

Sky King

I don't care what the law says, they will feel my cane across their backsides if circumstances dictate.

danniemcq

Cavehill Red wrote: »

The kids you're referring to are effectively feral. Chances are they're being beaten at home already. It's very likely that's part of the problem with them, in fact. And as a poster stated already in this thread, you need to catch them much earlier and impose boundaries from an early age. Withholding privileges, pocket money and grounding all worked well for me, as did explaining what the story was to the kid each time.
When it became clear that I stuck to my decisions and they missed out on stuff they wanted or things they wanted to do, the light came on and stayed on.
You don't need to hit kids, and there is actually no logical reason why parents should be exempted from that. Kids aren't your possessions. They're people, not chattel, and they're people who rely on parents to guide and protect them until they're old enough to be autonomous. If your way of guiding and protecting a child is to beat them about, then, as the internet meme goes, you're doing it wrong.

well there is a sweeping generalisation, I know that yes some kids come from a horrid family life and will turn into little scumbags but thats more down to probability and odds than anything else. I know of some kids that came from broken homes and abusive parents that are top notch people and likewise i also know people who were brought up as youing adults and equals and they are pr*cks of the highest order.

and i think you really have to get away from the assumption that smacking and beating are the same thing.

Dravokivich

Cavehill Red wrote: »

And unless you're deaf, you don't talk with your hands either, which is exactly the point I intended to get across...

You replied to my post which was generally aimed at the topic being discussed. I responded in regards to your comments based on my post, because you did not appear to acknowledge the distinction I highlighted between a slap and physical abuse.

Also, what has my hearing got to do with it?

I'm reading :pac:

Cavehill Red

danniemcq wrote: »

well there is a sweeping generalisation, I know that yes some kids come from a horrid family life and will turn into little scumbags but thats more down to probability and odds than anything else. I know of some kids that came from broken homes and abusive parents that are top notch people and likewise i also know people who were brought up as youing adults and equals and they are pr*cks of the highest order.

and i think you really have to get away from the assumption that smacking and beating are the same thing.

It's not an assumption. Both are responding to a child with violence. Both are a failure in parenting. In that regard, the only difference is the severity. It's not necessary, and it's not right.
And yes, some kids are pricks without any mitigation. That's still no justification for hitting them. If anything, they're the very ones who most need to be engaged with to undo their destructive behaviour patterns. But most of the semi-feral kids I come across come from ****ty parts of town, often from broken homes, and almost always from relative deprivation. I see parents belting toddlers up and down the street, roaring their heads off at them, and the kids wailing uncontrollably. These are people with no idea how to parent, out of control and unable to cope. And their children aren't growing up with clear ideas of boundaries and good behaviour - they're growing up with the idea that you shout and swing a fist to get your way. And that's what they take into school and onto the streets.

cruiser178

fedor.2. wrote: »

Smacking your kids is completely unnecessary

:rolleyes: can i ask how many kids you have?

Cavehill Red

Dravokivich wrote: »

You replied to my post which was generally aimed at the topic being discussed. I responded in regards to your comments based on my post, because you did not appear to acknowledge the distinction I highlighted between a slap and physical abuse.

Also, what has my hearing got to do with it?

I'm reading :pac:

Because you stated that you TOLD your kids things by hitting them. And you're wrong. There's no distinction, because a slap is physical abuse.

cocalolaman

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Seriously, what are we, the Taliban? Let's grow out of the Dark Ages mentality, please. You don't hit kids, simple as.

Slapping a child on the arm for dicipline is as bad as being a member of the Taliban...right so.

Cavehill Red

cocalolaman wrote: »

Slapping a child on the arm for dicipline is as bad as being a member of the Taliban...right so.

It's just as troglodytic as any of their customs.

danniemcq

Cavehill Red wrote: »

It's not an assumption. Both are responding to a child with violence. Both are a failure in parenting. In that regard, the only difference is the severity. It's not necessary, and it's not right.
And yes, some kids are pricks without any mitigation. That's still no justification for hitting them. If anything, they're the very ones who most need to be engaged with to undo their destructive behaviour patterns. But most of the semi-feral kids I come across come from ****ty parts of town, often from broken homes, and almost always from relative deprivation. I see parents belting toddlers up and down the street, roaring their heads off at them, and the kids wailing uncontrollably. These are people with no idea how to parent, out of control and unable to cope. And their children aren't growing up with clear ideas of boundaries and good behaviour - they're growing up with the idea that you shout and swing a fist to get your way. And that's what they take into school and onto the streets.

i reiterate my point made previously.

there is a difference in beating the sh*t out of your child and giving them a smack across the back of the legs.

myself, like my parents got smacked. so did my aunts/uncles/relations/cousins and we all turned into normal adults. I will smack my kids if they do wrong, not beat them up and down the road, but smack.

If i seen someone give a tempermental child or a child who just done something wrong a clip fine. if i seen them drag the kid by the arm off the ground while beating them, then there would be a major issue.

and before you ask yes i would agree with caning at school. Done properly as a way to shame in front of the school and you'd notice a dramatic improvment in behaviour.

danniemcq

cocalolaman wrote: »

Slapping a child on the arm for dicipline is as bad as being a member of the Taliban...right so.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

It's just as troglodytic as any of their customs.

WOW.

just wow, way to nullify ANY argument you might have had

Sky King

I would be more an advocate of the reasoning approach but sometimes they deserve a belt just for behaving like little cnuts.

Dravokivich

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Because you stated that you TOLD your kids things by hitting them. And you're wrong. There's no distinction, because a slap is physical abuse.

I didn't say I told my kids. I said "people who utilise," as "a stern and dominating way."

A slap is a very direct way of getting the kids attention and doesn't need to be done as heavy handedly as people seem to expect with the idea of it.

Cavehill Red

danniemcq wrote: »

i reiterate my point made previously.

there is a difference in beating the sh*t out of your child and giving them a smack across the back of the legs.

myself, like my parents got smacked. so did my aunts/uncles/relations/cousins and we all turned into normal adults. I will smack my kids if they do wrong, not beat them up and down the road, but smack.

If i seen someone give a tempermental child or a child who just done something wrong a clip fine. if i seen them drag the kid by the arm off the ground while beating them, then there would be a major issue.

and before you ask yes i would agree with caning at school. Done properly as a way to shame in front of the school and you'd notice a dramatic improvment in behaviour.

Caning 'done properly'. For goodness sake, listen to yourself. You're advocating that educators should physically assault children with weapons!
And where you see some sort of category difference, I don't see anything more than a difference in scale. Violence is violence and any man who would lift a hand to a child is no man in my eyes.

Cavehill Red

Dravokivich wrote: »

I didn't say I told my kids. I said "people who utilise," as "a stern and dominating way."

A slap is a very direct way of getting the kids attention and doesn't need to be done as heavy handedly as people seem to expect with the idea of it.

You said a 'stern and dominating way of TELLING a kid'. And I said, you should just tell them instead of being oblique about your message by smacking them about.
You know another way of getting kids' attention? Raising your voice. Taking their things away. Frogmarching them back home and putting them in their room till they cop on. Talking to them about why their behaviour isn't acceptable and reminding them of the standards they are expected to uphold.
If you have to raise a hand to get your kid's attention, again, you're doing it wrong.