Match Fixing in Italy

losthorizon

Beppe Signori is among those to have been arrested

http://www.euronews.net/2011/12/20/doni-arrested-in-match-fixing-and-betting-probe/

Atalanta have been deducted 6 points

Also Chinese Officials are cracking down

http://www.euronews.net/2011/12/20/china-gets-tough-with-football-fixers/

Cant believe it about Signori though!

Vurnon San Benito

Some fellas have made serious dosh from it!

Crazy Horse 6

I'd say it is happening everywhere, football is big business the bigger the money involved the more chance of corruption.

Marty McFly

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

I'd say it is happening everywhere, football is big business the bigger the money involved the more chance of corruption.

Do you really belive it happening everywhere? Im not so sure, maybe in lower leagues in other countrys, but Italy seems to be on a whole other level really. Im sure if it was happening in the the EPL,La Liga or the Bundesliga someone would have got caught by now,

Neil3030

As one who lives in Italy, I can tell you that the most this will be met with is a shrug. The entire country is ****ed up its own arse with corruption and the apathy towards same makes you want to slam your head off a wall at times.

Pinturicchio

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

I'd say it is happening everywhere, football is big business the bigger the money involved the more chance of corruption.

Do you really belive it happening everywhere? Im not so sure, maybe in lower leagues in other countrys, but Italy seems to be on a whole other level really. Im sure if it was happening in the the EPL,La Liga or the Bundesliga someone would have got caught by now,

People have been caught in Germany. I would say it happens everywhere.

Crazy Horse 6

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Do you really belive it happening everywhere? Im not so sure, maybe in lower leagues in other countrys, but Italy seems to be on a whole other level really. Im sure if it was happening in the the EPL,La Liga or the Bundesliga someone would have got caught by now,

I do indeed. It's just a matter of time before someone gets sloppy. Greed is a natural human feeling and players,officals,management and in particular referees will be prone to it. Mark my words it's when everyone stops making money from football that the cracks will start to show.

Raskolnikov

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

I'd say it is happening everywhere, football is big business the bigger the money involved the more chance of corruption.

It happens everywhere, but not to the high level and extent as it does in Italy. Every year during the last few round of Serie A, there are scores of completely blatantly and fixed matches between teams at the lower half who are looking for enough points to get them safe. I remember being on Betfair one time and seeing odds of 1/10 being offered on a draw with million of pounds match (when similar Serie A games were lucky to have 6 figure sums matched of them). It's not just in football where corruption is endemic. Italian tennis is also riddled with match fixing and corruption. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/atptour/2329390/Betting-pairs-tennis-ban-unfair-say-Italians.html

A 6 point deduction is absolutely disgraceful; they should be relegated to the Lega Pro and fined several million Euro.

grenache

losthorizon wrote: »

Beppe Signori is among those to have been arrested

http://www.euronews.net/2011/12/20/doni-arrested-in-match-fixing-and-betting-probe/

Atalanta have been deducted 6 points

Also Chinese Officials are cracking down

http://www.euronews.net/2011/12/20/china-gets-tough-with-football-fixers/

Cant believe it about Signori though!

That bit about Signori is old news. He was busted in June.

I'm never surprised at any match fixing revelations that eminate from Italy. It's a fantastic country with a great footballing tradition, but this is one of it's downsides. You have to take the good with the bad in Italy. Paying people off is the norm there, the nod and wink culture is highly prevalent - in all facets of Italian society - much more so than in Ireland. And yes i totally agree with the poster about Atalanta, they should have been demoted to Serie B at least. By giving only a six point penalty, the FIGC might as well be condoning their behaviour. Juventus were stripped of a Scudetto and relegated for less.

But seriously, nobody should ever be surprised about any shoddy dealings in Italian society. Only in Italy can building a 300km stretch of motorway from Salerno to Reggio Calabria, take fifteen years and counting. And we think we have problems here!

ASOT

Iv made a tidy bit of profit last season on betting in play on games. Betting on penos aswell and such. Its a joke id never bet on them normally unless i hear something as its a waste of money. Disgrace to the game.

amacachi

Neil3030 wrote: »

As one who lives in Italy, I can tell you that the most this will be met with is a shrug. The entire country is ****ed up its own arse with corruption and the apathy towards same makes you want to slam your head off a wall at times.

Maybe it's just that more people focus on Italy but the levels of corruption in every part of society in Italy is truly astounding.

Le King

In Italy, it depends on who you are in bed with. Look at Inter in calciopoli

Sir Gallagher

ASOT wrote: »

Iv made a tidy bit of profit last season on betting in play on games. Betting on penos aswell and such. Its a joke id never bet on them normally unless i hear something as its a waste of money. Disgrace to the game.

Are you saying you bet on games you hear are fixed but you think it's a disgrace?

CSF

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Are you saying you bet on games you hear are fixed but you think it's a disgrace?

This less of a hypocricy than you would make it out to be. This isn't like other illegal activities where the market only exists if there are customers. Whether some lad in Ireland uses the information or not, these people make as much money as they would already and as such have no reason to stop doing so.

Sir Gallagher

CSF wrote: »

This less of a hypocricy than you would make it out to be. This isn't like other illegal activities where the market only exists if there are customers. Whether some lad in Ireland uses the information or not, these people make as much money as they would already and as such have no reason to stop doing so.

I understand i just think moral outrage is a funny stance if he's making profit from it.

ASOT

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I understand i just think moral outrage is a funny stance if he's making profit from it.

Well i think its ruining the game but you would have to be a moron not to be willing to profit from it ?

grenache

ASOT wrote: »

Well i think its ruining the game but you would have to be a moron not to be willing to profit from it ?

If one is not against it, then one is part of said problem.

Sir Gallagher

ASOT wrote: »

Well i think its ruining the game but you would have to be a moron not to be willing to profit from it ?

Trust me if i got a tip for a fixed match i'd bet on it but i wouldnt be calling it a disgrace. So the moral of the story is, next time you get a tip PM me cheers. :pac:

UglyBolloxFace

grenache wrote: »

If one is not against it, then one is part of said problem.

I don't agree with that logic.

So when De Valera refused to take in Jewish immigrants during WWII, was he 'part of the problem' that was the Nazis?

I don't think so. There is being in the middle, which is certainly acceptable in some cases.

PARKHEAD67

Italians? Corruption? IM shocked:D

grenache

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I don't agree with that logic.

So when De Valera refused to take in Jewish immigrants during WWII, was he 'part of the problem' that was the Nazis?

I don't think so. There is being in the middle, which is certainly acceptable in some cases.

Funny, as i've had this argument long ago on the history forum, Dev sent those Jews to their deaths, like the saying goes - all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. While it was acceptable for Ireland to stay neutral during the war - as it was for the greater good - i do not see how any Jewish or other fleeing refugees could not have been accomodated in this country. So in this particular instance (Jewish persecution) Ireland indirectly helped the cause of the Nazis.

losthorizon

We actually did take in a small number of Jews in WW2. A small forest was planted in Israel in honour of De Valera after WW2 - not a well known fact.

We were right to remain neutral. In the 60 years before WW2 we had a famine, we fought in WW1, we fought for our independence and then we had a civil war. The country was in bits and divided. We would have been no use. Thousands of young men went off to fight for the allies anyway from the South.

To the real subject: Match fixing is wrong because it totally undermines fair play and whats the point in having games if they are already preordained?

It would totally destroy football if that took hold. I have no interest in betting but it does seem to be prevelant in Italy and for some reason the second tier of some of the bigger nations (foreign betting rings getting involved?). Somone mentioned Germany - I remember clubs there being caught out there as well