Ryain air increases

jimmynokia

http://www.independent.ie/travel/travel-news/ryanairs-new-fees-euro1-for-your-ticket-euro5-for-your-sandwich-ndash-euro100-for-your-bag-2962634.html



The no-frills airline will be increasing some of its charges by up to 150 per cent next summer

Passengers planning to fly Ryanair next summer, beware: charges on Europe's biggest budget airline will soar in 2012. Checked-in bag fees paid in advance increase by two-thirds, while travellers checking in a bag at the airport without booking ahead face a fee of €100 – up 150 per cent.

The airline has divided 2012 into low and high seasons, with the latter stretching across the summer from June to September, as well as Christmas. In peak season, the cost of checking in a single 15kg bag rises from €15 to €25, totalling €200 for a family of four on a return trip. The price for a second bag will be even higher, at £45.

Ryanair claims such fees are intended to change passenger behaviour in order to keep costs – and therefore fares – low. Stephen McNamara, a spokesman for the airline, said "Over 70 per cent of Ryanair passengers will be unaffected by these changes as they already travel with no checked-in bags."

But Ryanair's cabin-baggage rules are less generous than its rivals. The maximum volume is 44 litres, compared with the industry standard of 63 litres, as used by easyJet and British Airways. BA also allows a laptop or handbag up to 32 litres. The weight limit for Ryanair is 10kg; for BA, 23kg; and for easyJet there is no maximum. Ryanair enforces its limits strictly. The charge for passengers who breach the airline's strict size or weight is €40.

Rival travel firms formed a long queue to respond to Ryanair's fee increases. A British Airways spokesman said, "With free food and drinks, free baggage and free check-in, booking with BA gives you the best possible value for money." Andrew Kelly, marketing manager for the ferry firm DFDS Seaways, said, "You can now take four people in a car from Dover to the Continent during peak season for less than the airport baggage charge on Ryanair for two cases." Diane Poole, a spokeswoman for Stena Line, said: "The beauty of travelling by ferry is that there are no restrictions on baggage."

Ryanair claims the lowest average air fares in Europe: last year a typical flight cost €40. But in a snapshot of fares between London and Barcelona's main airport, departing on the first Saturday in August, Ryanair turned out more expensive than both its nearest rival, easyJet, and British Airways – even before baggage and other fees were added

Agent_47

I foresee all kinds of unforeseen problems with this, and possibly a shift to sea travel or Aer Lingus.
These stealth taxes are like penalties for doing something wrong and make RyanAir a not so pleasant way to travel.

robinph

Agent_47 wrote: »

I foresee all kinds of unforeseen problems with this, and possibly a shift to sea travel or Aer Lingus.
These stealth taxes are like penalties for doing something wrong and make RyanAir a not so pleasant way to travel.

Why?

If it's too expensive then people will not pay for it and Ryanair will then change their prices. If there is another airline providing a better service to where you want to go for cheaper then what on earth are you doing flying Ryanair.

Ryanair are not conning anyone. If you don't want to pay for some part of their service then don't make use of their service. There is nothing stealthy about what they are doing. All their prices are listed on their site, nothing is hidden. People are just stupid if they think they are entitled to free stuff.

Agent_47

robinph wrote: »

Why?

If it's too expensive then people will not pay for it and Ryanair will then change their prices. If there is another airline providing a better service to where you want to go for cheaper then what on earth are you doing flying Ryanair.

Ryanair are not conning anyone. If you don't want to pay for some part of their service then don't make use of their service. There is nothing stealthy about what they are doing. All their prices are listed on their site, nothing is hidden. People are just stupid if they think they are entitled to free stuff.

People especially the old want to know the all in cost but have to add the flight cost out to the bag cost out to the bag cost back to the flight back to the taxes added out to the taxes added back to the insurance (if they have not got any) going out to the insurance cost coming back and then not to mention the cost to complete the bloody transaction with perhaps a Visa card. then hopefully they will print off multiple copies of the boarding pass or they may get caught there too.
Tell me , how straightforward does Ryanairs cost(s) appear to someone looking to book what was once a flat fare flight. Ryanair charges are penal end of story, on the unsuspecting, the elderly and those not fully gened up on the internet.

robinph

Rubbish.

You pick where you want to go, you pick when you want to go, you pick what services you want, you pick how you want to pay. They tell you what the cost is.

Nothing is hidden, nobody is getting tricked.

You get told the total price once you have selected what you want from them. Ryanair have not had flat all in prices for their flights for donkeys years.

Do you expect to be told the total price of your shopping when you enter the front door at Tesco, or do you find out the total price when you have selected what items you want and are at the till at the end of your shop? Nobody seems to have difficulty with shopping in that manner and selecting the items they want or not selecting items for any other kind of shopping, why is it suddenly such a challenge and feel like trickery when buying air-plane tickets?

Agent_47

robinph wrote: »

Rubbish.

Do you expect to be told the total price of your shopping when you enter the front door at Tesco, or do you find out the total price when you have selected what items you want and are at the till at the end of your shop? Nobody seems to have difficulty with shopping in that manner and selecting the items they want or not selecting items for any other kind of shopping, why is it suddenly such a challenge and feel like trickery when buying air-plane tickets?

Yes, If I go into Tesco to buy one item or two. Yes, If I want to buy one flight out and one flight back, I want to instantly know and calculate it before searching other permutations, taxes, insurances and bagage costs. Maybe my bagage costs will go up or down depending on the peak or non peak period it falls into with their new structure.
Point is, Ryanairs pricing is getting too complex for what is essentialy a bus fare. They risk confusing (and penalising) people who only want a cheap flight on monday and who want to return friday.
Me I travel with one rusksack, 4 boarding cards and cannot wait to get off their flights.

robinph

Agent_47 wrote: »

Yes, If I go into Tesco to buy one item or two. Yes, If I want to buy one flight out and one flight back, I want to instantly know and calculate it before searching other permutations, taxes, insurances and bagage costs. Maybe my bagage costs will go up or down depending on the peak or non peak period it falls into with their new structure.
Point is, Ryanairs pricing is getting too complex for what is essentialy a bus fare. They risk confusing (and penalising) people who only want a cheap flight on monday and who want to return friday.
Me I travel with one rusksack, 4 boarding cards and cannot wait to get off their flights.

They are probably happy to miss out on the customers who cannot cope with figuring out their website and the price as they are probably the same people that will then start arguing about something where they didn't follow the rules at the boarding gate and cause delays and disruptions to the flight.

It almost seems as if people expect Ryanair to give them free flights, how dare we be expected to pay for a Ryanair flight. You pays your money and you makes your choice. If you don't like Ryanair then don't use them. I just wish people would stop trying to make out that they are doing something underhand.

Why do you fly Ryanair if they are so bad?

Agent_47

Gatwick.
No one asks for free, we ask for fair fares with no extras. Begining to sound like a takeaway or restaurant meal, you never know what the cost is for all the items you ate until you get the bill. Over and out

mikedragon32

On Ryanair, you're presented with flight options and prices, you select the extras you want (again, prices are listed), select your option to pay and before you complete the transaction you see how much the bill is. It's up to you at this point to decide if you want to pay or not. The pricing is clear enough.

As a consumer you have a choice about how you fly and how much you pay. I'm not some Ryanair fanboi, I fly on whichever airline offers the best value on the route I'm proposing to take, but to be perfectly honest with you, nowadays the only difference I can see between EI and FR on European routes is the colour scheme.

killbillvol2

mikedragon32 wrote: »

On Ryanair, you're presented with flight options and prices, you select the extras you want (again, prices are listed), select your option to pay and before you complete the transaction you see how much the bill is. It's up to you at this point to decide if you want to pay or not. The pricing is clear enough.

As a consumer you have a choice about how you fly and how much you pay. I'm not some Ryanair fanboi, I fly on whichever airline offers the best value on the route I'm proposing to take, but to be perfectly honest with you, nowadays the only difference I can see between EI and FR on European routes is the colour scheme.

Very true, and has been for a while.

Ryanair make money on people being disorganised or stupid (or both). If someone needs 50kg of luggage for a week in Spain then they should pay for it. If they can't understand simple rules about cabin baggage they should pay for it. If it saves me money by keeping basic fares lower then I'm happy.

The argument about old people is BS. My mother (76) flies Ryanair and she can understand how it works, So can her friends. That generation are far more savvy than some of the posters here think.

mikedragon32

killbillvol2 wrote: »

That generation are far more savvy than some of the posters here think.

FYP

maximoose

Noticed the change in bag pricing this morning when booking flights to Paris next July...15kg bag up to €25 was a bit of a stinger

Even still, flying with Ryanair still worked out approx 80e cheaper than with Aer Lingus

EDIT: I went back to Aer Lingus to do a final comparison adding in the baggage....for 2 adults with 1 checked in bag each way it worked out €138.00 cheaper with Ryanair.

mayo.mick

I use ryanair myself, i know their no frills, you get what ya pay for.
Got this e-mail recently, thought it might cheer some people up:D

A Christmas Carol .

Arriving in a hotel in Dublin, he went to the bar and asked for a pint
of draught Guinness. The barman nodded and said, "That will be one Euro
please, Mr O'Leary."

Somewhat taken aback, O'Leary replied, "That's very cheap," and handed
over his money.

"Well, we try to stay ahead of the competition", said the barman. "And
we are serving free pints every Wednesday evening from 6 until 8. We
have the cheapest beer in Ireland."

"That is remarkable value" Michael comments.

"I see you don't seem to have a glass, so you'll probably need one of
ours. That will be 3 Euro please."

O'Leary scowled, but paid up. He took his drink and walked towards a
seat.

"Ah, you want to sit down?" said the barman. "That'll be an extra 2
Euro. You could have pre-booked the seat, and it would have only cost
you a Euro. I think you may to be too big for the seat sir, can I ask
you to sit in this frame please?"

Michael attempts to sit down but the frame is too small and when he
can't squeeze in he complains: "Nobody would fit in that little
frame!"

"I'm afraid if you can't fit in the frame you'll have to pay an extra
surcharge of €4.00 for your seat sir." O'Leary swore to himself, but
paid up.

"I see that you have brought your laptop with you" added the barman.
"Since that wasn't pre-booked either, that will be another 3 Euro."

O'Leary was so annoyed that he walked back to the bar, slammed his
drink on the counter, and yelled, "This is ridiculous, I want to speak
to the manager!"

"Ah, I see you want to use the counter," says the barman, "that will
be 2 Euro please."
O'Leary's face was red with rage. "Do you know who I am?"

"Of course I do Mr. O'Leary."

"I've had enough! What sort of Hotel is this? I come in for a quiet
drink and you treat me like this. I insist on speaking to a manager!"

"Here is his E mail address, or if you wish, you can contact him
between 9 and 9.10 every morning, Monday to Tuesday at this free phone
number. Calls are free, until they are answered, then there is a
talking charge of only 10 cents per second."

"I will never use this bar again!"

"OK sir, but remember, we are the only hotel in Ireland selling pints
for one Euro."

jimmynokia

mayo.mick wrote: »

I use ryanair myself, i know their no frills, you get what ya pay for.
Got this e-mail recently, thought it might cheer some people up:D

A Christmas Carol .

Arriving in a hotel in Dublin, he went to the bar and asked for a pint
of draught Guinness. The barman nodded and said, "That will be one Euro
please, Mr O'Leary."

Somewhat taken aback, O'Leary replied, "That's very cheap," and handed
over his money.

"Well, we try to stay ahead of the competition", said the barman. "And
we are serving free pints every Wednesday evening from 6 until 8. We
have the cheapest beer in Ireland."

"That is remarkable value" Michael comments.

"I see you don't seem to have a glass, so you'll probably need one of
ours. That will be 3 Euro please."

O'Leary scowled, but paid up. He took his drink and walked towards a
seat.

"Ah, you want to sit down?" said the barman. "That'll be an extra 2
Euro. You could have pre-booked the seat, and it would have only cost
you a Euro. I think you may to be too big for the seat sir, can I ask
you to sit in this frame please?"

Michael attempts to sit down but the frame is too small and when he
can't squeeze in he complains: "Nobody would fit in that little
frame!"

"I'm afraid if you can't fit in the frame you'll have to pay an extra
surcharge of €4.00 for your seat sir." O'Leary swore to himself, but
paid up.

"I see that you have brought your laptop with you" added the barman.
"Since that wasn't pre-booked either, that will be another 3 Euro."

O'Leary was so annoyed that he walked back to the bar, slammed his
drink on the counter, and yelled, "This is ridiculous, I want to speak
to the manager!"

"Ah, I see you want to use the counter," says the barman, "that will
be 2 Euro please."
O'Leary's face was red with rage. "Do you know who I am?"

"Of course I do Mr. O'Leary."

"I've had enough! What sort of Hotel is this? I come in for a quiet
drink and you treat me like this. I insist on speaking to a manager!"

"Here is his E mail address, or if you wish, you can contact him
between 9 and 9.10 every morning, Monday to Tuesday at this free phone
number. Calls are free, until they are answered, then there is a
talking charge of only 10 cents per second."

"I will never use this bar again!"

"OK sir, but remember, we are the only hotel in Ireland selling pints
for one Euro."

good

robinph

Lovely story, but ...

Ryanair does not commit you to taking their service until the end of the booking process. So, other than for idiots that are incapable of reading the bag size instructions or printing out boarding cards, there is only one point at which you are paying for the service and you can change your mind about giving them any money at any time you like before that point. The final price is made perfectly clear before you pay them, unlike your bar story where further extras are charged after the initial payment has been made.

smemon

I think it's getting to the stage where Ryanair are the airline you avoid if others are within 10-20% of the price.

That's my own view. I'll avoid Ryanair where possible simply because it's hassle travelling with them. Measuring bag sizes, weighing bags, forcing people to take just one bag on board including women's handbags etc.. god help you if you accidentally type in a wrong digit or letter, notice it immediately and try to get it changed immediately.

1550-screw-me-now numbers and god knows how much in 'admin charges' for searching a database and editing something. Then there's the credit card charges each way, per person. They make it difficult to compare prices because they're not included in the headline price / until you go to book the flights / hand over details.

If it's me on my own i don't care where i sit, i don't care about bags because i'll wear what i've on me & i don't care about service really so long as i get there. If i'm travelling with other people, then i care about having a pleasant experience...

99% of the time things will go smoothly in that you'll get from a to b. Most people overlook the fact you're treated like cattle / numbers. Obviously the people here singing their praises haven't experienced that 1% of the time when things go wrong.

I know plenty of people who say they'll never fly Ryanair. Whether they actually adhere to that, i don't know but long term if and when Ryanair struggle, there won't be too much support or too many tears shed for them.

robinph

smemon wrote: »

... the credit card charges each way, per person...

I think they will soon be got rid of as there was some new UK ruling about card fees last week. Of course the cost will just be absorbed into the price of something else, but they won't be able to charge by the same method for much longer.

smemon wrote: »

...if and when Ryanair struggle, there won't be too much support or too many tears shed for them.

There will be just as much wailing when the price of the alternative airlines flights go up after the theoretical demise of Ryanair.

ToxicPaddy

robinph wrote: »

..There will be just as much wailing when the price of the alternative airlines flights go up after the theoretical demise of Ryanair.

I have to agree there. People have very short memories or maybe just too young to remember. Before the likes of Ryanair, airline prices were crazily expensive. Low cost and no frills airlines like Ryanair, Easyjet, German Wings etc have literally opened up air travel to the masses.

Companies like these have simply cut the fat (the extras) that you got with other airlines and offered a cheap alternative. Granted, sometimes you feel like you're travelling in a cattle truck more than a multimillion euro plane, but that's what you get and as others have said, they don't pretend to be anything other than a no frills airline.

I travel with them when I have too, but prefer to use other airlines if there isn't a major price difference.

If I book with Ryanair:

• I know the basic cost of the flight each way
• I can vary it a day or two if I want to try and get the return flight cheaper
• I can book bags seperate or just use carry on to save money
• I can select insurance if required
• I can add sports equipment/oversize baggage
• I can pay by various means to try a save charges

Like others, I'm no fanboi of Ryanair but they are a means to an end and there are lists of options and ways to try and make the final price cheaper

If I want to travel cheaply with no frills and little baggage, then chances are they will meet my needs. No luxury, no extras, no customer service. But it gets me where I wanna go.

If I want to go comfortably, with baggage and get a reasonable level of service, I choose another airline.

All very simple and straight forward.

robinph

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

[*]I can add sports equipment/oversize baggage

If I want to travel cheaply with no frills and little baggage...

If you want to travel cheaply with a huge amount of baggage they are probably the cheapest as well. Book your sports equipment and a couple of bags and you'll have way more luggage than you could get on another airline where they will charge per kg once you are over 20 most likely.

Sport equipment - 20kg
1st bag, if you pay a bit extra - 20kg
2nd bag - 15kg
plus your carry on of 10kg

For a total of 65kg and you pay up in advance knowing the exact cost, if you wanted to take that much on another airline they would laugh at you and send you to the freight carriers.

Ryanair are not a great airline by any stretch of the imagination, but they do what they claim to do and are very clear about what you are paying for...except for the card fees which is a scam.