Assault in Fr. Burke Park

mckymck

Shame this has to be my first post but:
My friend was just assaulted by 5 SCUMBAGS while walking
from Fr Griffin Rd to Munster Ave. These W@nkers ran from drinking in the playground to kick the crap out of him and then legged it. He's battered and bruised but otherwise OK. They didn't rob anything despite him having just come from a gig and was carrying instruments. He did connect foot to face with one tho so keep an eye out....:mad:

LadyMayBelle

mckymck wrote: »

Shame this has to be my first post but:
My friend was just assaulted by 5 SCUMBAGS while walking
from Fr Griffin Rd to Munster Ave. These W@nkers ran from drinking in the playground to kick the crap out of him and then legged it. He's battered and bruised but otherwise OK. They didn't rob anything despite him having just come from a gig and was carrying instruments. He did connect foot to face with one tho so keep an eye out....:mad:

Glad he is okay. Have ye contacted the police.

mckymck

Reported. For what it's worth...

UrbanSea

Sorry to hear.

Where about is the Fr Burke park?

Ficheall

UrbanSea wrote: »

Sorry to hear.

Where about is the Fr Burke park?

It's the playground behind Four Star, I reckon.

Sponge Bob

Probably regular scumbags....which means the guards won't go near them because their mammies are well known and will give them alibis and abuse the guards as well.

Wompa1

Freaky! I posted a blog the other day about accomodation in Galway and mentioned when I lived in Dominick Street I got a lot of hassle from townies walking around that area : http://thecityfathers.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/looking-for-accomodation-in-galway/

Townies drinking bottles of Buckfast, just looking to fight for no reason at all. Pathetic.

Sponge Bob

Go up to Supermacs in the square and ID them....they should be there by now.

mckymck

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Go up to Supermacs in the square and ID them....they should be there by now.

Unfortunately my friend has poor eyesight so no ID.
These guys were heard smashing their bottles in the playground just before the incident(Why isn't Buckfast only sold in plastic?) There's a well known B+B adjacent so an attack on guests is almost inevitable. As for the building at the other end of the park owned by a "prominent business person", The state of it is feckin' appalling! A rat trap being left to rot by the pampered classes of Galway!

empacher

Did they attack him on the street, or the path running through the park?

stampydmonkey

They ll be there again tonight and the next weekend and the next. The same dumb ****s are always drinking in that playground or in the bushes behind it. Passed them loads of times and I've no doubt they get the buckfast from a certain corner shop in the area

ben.schlomo

stampydmonkey wrote: »

They ll be there again tonight and the next weekend and the next. The same dumb ****s are always drinking in that playground or in the bushes behind it. Passed them loads of times and I've no doubt they get the buckfast from a certain corner shop in the area

Its not Buckfast's fault that these cretins are prone to violent outbursts, if it wasn't Buckfast it would be cheap cans, and either way if there wasn't drink they would still do it.

inisboffin

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Its not Buckfast's fault that these cretins are prone to violent outbursts, if it wasn't Buckfast it would be cheap cans, and either way if there wasn't drink they would still do it.

Buckie just seems to x10 faster what was already there. Faster than cans. The only similarity I've seen is with whiskey.

If you've the slightest inclination to be violent / take your clothes off / cry / sing, whatever it is.. you are way more likely to do it in the course of the night when drinking buckie. It's the insane caffeine buzz combined with the inhibition killing booze AND affordable combo (and some say delicious, some horrendous)

(this is just from observing the behaviour of people I know).

thesandeman

There was a serious scumbag element around town last night alright for some reason.

snubbleste

thesandeman wrote: »

There was a serious scumbag element around town last night alright for some reason.

The celebration of the birth of Jesus.

eimear10

I've never been to Galway so I dont know if Galways scumbags look and act like Dublin scumbags ?

BhoscaCapall

inisboffin wrote: »

Buckie just seems to x10 faster what was already there. Faster than cans. The only similarity I've seen is with whiskey.

If you've the slightest inclination to be violent / take your clothes off / cry / sing, whatever it is.. you are way more likely to do it in the course of the night when drinking buckie. It's the insane caffeine buzz combined with the inhibition killing booze AND affordable combo (and some say delicious, some horrendous)

(this is just from observing the behaviour of people I know).

lol if you could hear yourself...

You're probably also the type to think people who drop yokes are likely to bate the head off ya as well?

mbiking123

What time did it happen at ?

inisboffin

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

inisboffin wrote: »

Buckie just seems to x10 faster what was already there. Faster than cans. The only similarity I've seen is with whiskey.

If you've the slightest inclination to be violent / take your clothes off / cry / sing, whatever it is.. you are way more likely to do it in the course of the night when drinking buckie. It's the insane caffeine buzz combined with the inhibition killing booze AND affordable combo[SIZE="1"] (and some say delicious, some horrendous)[/SIZE]

(this is just from observing the behaviour of people I know).

lol if you could hear yourself...

You're probably also the type to think people who drop yokes are likely to bate the head off ya as well?

Lol! Relax. I am not smearing the holy name!

Nope, haven't seen much of that with 'yokes'

If *you* re-read what I wrote you'll see I only speak from observing what I see in people around me. And that it only seems to magnify what's there already!
I think the biggest difference with Buckie is that at the point you would normally 'pass out' you just keep going due to the ingredients - so you see behaviour that's different to with other booze.

You have to love the religious 'defense of the buckie' (sure it's only like water).

Methinks the (lad?) doth protest too much

Also we're way off topic. Hope your friend's doing better OP.

BhoscaCapall

inisboffin wrote: »

Lol! Relax. I am not smearing the holy name!

Confused as to why you felt my post conveyed anger or anything that would need me to 'relax'.

inisboffin wrote: »

I think the biggest difference with Buckie is that at the point you would normally 'pass out' you just keep going due to the ingredients - so you see behaviour that's different to with other booze.

Would you expect a dignified lady to pass out after consuming a bottle of wine over dinner? No? Then why would you presume say, a teenage male who's probably puts away a fair amount of drink regularly to pass out after a bottle of Buckfast save for it's caffeine content?

You have to love the religious 'defense of the buckie' (sure it's only like water).

Methinks the (lad?) doth protest too much

My post was two lines long, laughing at your generalizations. If you think that's 'too much' protesting then maybe internet forums aren't for you.

inisboffin

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Confused as to why you felt my post conveyed anger or anything that would need me to 'relax'.


Would you expect a dignified lady to pass out after consuming a bottle of wine over dinner? No? Then why would you presume say, a teenage male who's probably puts away a fair amount of drink regularly to pass out after a bottle of Buckfast save for it's caffeine content?


My post was two lines long, laughing at your generalizations. If you think that's 'too much' protesting then maybe internet forums aren't for you.

Didn't think you were angry tbh, just a phrase. Thought it was funny though.
Never mentioned anything about quantity/gender of boozers, that was all you! And depends on the lady!
I've seen people do 3 bottles of buckie where they would be flat out with 3 bottles of wine though. That's just my experience.
Joke, Shakespeare. Thanks for the advice re where I should spend my time. Will give it serious consideration

The fact that we're still discussing it though..

Fuinseog

i should point out that the park is notorious for assaults and best avoided after dark, especially if by yourself.

mckymck

I understand the parks notoriety although I've never seen an assault there, only heard about them, like this one. The attack took place less than 30 meters from Fr.Griffin Rd, among the busiest in town. My friend's OK BTW, Bruised, maybe fractured rib but won't be a very nice christmas for him.
I don't think persecuting buckfast is the answer either, nobody (producer or consumer) cares. If the same criterion were applied to drugs across the board Buckfast would be declared class A and banned accordingly. But we don't want that.
The Council spoke three years ago about some resolve:
http://archive.galwayindependent.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3364&Itemid=82

inisboffin

mckymck wrote: »

I understand the parks notoriety although I've never seen an assault there, only heard about them, like this one. The attack took place less than 30 meters from Fr.Griffin Rd, among the busiest in town. My friend's OK BTW, Bruised, maybe fractured rib but won't be a very nice christmas for him.
I don't think persecuting buckfast is the answer either, nobody (producer or consumer) cares. If the same criterion were applied to drugs across the board Buckfast would be declared class A and banned accordingly. But we don't want that.
The Council spoke three years ago about some resolve:
http://archive.galwayindependent.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3364&Itemid=82

A*sholes will be a*sholes indeed. And banning anything isn't the solution. Smashed glass in playgrounds really p*sses me off however. Friends of mine work close to the park, be no harm for everyone to be vigilant and keep an eye out for others if they can. I've said it to them too.

To clarify for anyone trying to build a picture here.
It's worth noting this particular walk doesn't look safe at night(No need for local experience to see that), you can see from one side of the park to the other, it's well lit and you would normally see big groups of lads around the benches etc.

I live close by and I'd never walk through if I saw anyone drinking in there, it's not like the Spanish Arch where you get groups having a few before town, it's only ever populated by low life scumbags.

LANOOCHUDLE

i think its time to bring in charles bronson..."death wish "

Diabhal Beag

Anytime I pass it during the day I see a few dodgy characters in there so it's way worse at night.

Discodog

Have the Guards collected the broken bottles & tested them for prints ?

Or even better send a plain clothes officer to walk through there late at night with a tempting smartphone in his hand.

apoeiguq3094y

Discodog wrote: »

Have the Guards collected the broken bottles & tested them for prints ?

Or even better send a plain clothes officer to walk through there late at night with a tempting smartphone in his hand.

Not trying to downplay the seriousness of the incident, but I don't think dusting for prints here is a good use of garda time really. Its not some TV series where that happens in 5 minutes.

I think i'd prefer to see some uniformed gardai on the beat more often in places like this around town.

Discodog

I disagree. I think that any violence should be at the very top of Garda priorities.

ben.schlomo

Discodog wrote: »

I disagree. I think that any violence should be at the very top of Garda priorities.

It should be a priority but how to deal with it is up for discussion, constant patrolling of problem areas would be of more use than CSI time consuming time wasting, sure how many people have been drinking down there who had nothing to do with the assault, what do you do find them all and ask them?

Discodog

I think that all uniformed patrolling does is move the problem elsewhere. As New York proved the secret is to catch offenders rather than deterring them. Lot of criminals were caught because, what they thought was a helpless person, turned out to be a police officer

elvis99

Dusting for prints? you serious?

First of all you need a comparable sample which was lawfully obtained. Patrols are the answer, any young shíts down there can be moved on at the very least

Discodog

elvis99 wrote: »

Dusting for prints? you serious?

First of all you need a comparable sample which was lawfully obtained. Patrols are the answer, any young shíts down there can be moved on at the very least

Yep moved on or they see the Guards, move on & then come back. Totally pointless & impractical because whilst the Guards are patrolling there crime is occurring somewhere else.

elvis99

Discodog wrote: »

Yep moved on or they see the Guards, move on & then come back. Totally pointless & impractical because whilst the Guards are patrolling there crime is occurring somewhere else.

Or they could patrol it regularly and clamp down on anti social behaviour within the park area. Are there bye laws on drinking in the city can anyone tell me?

If you tolerate smaller crimes within the area it leads to other more serious crime and in this case assault, ever heard of the "Broken window theory"? the theory encouraged residents to take ownership of these public areas, e.g upkeep and zero tolerance to anti social behaviour.

KittyeeTrix

Discodog wrote: »

Have the Guards collected the broken bottles & tested them for prints ?

Or even better send a plain clothes officer to walk through there late at night with a tempting smartphone in his hand.

Whatever about dusting for prints I don't see anything wrong with sending some smallish built gardai wandering drunkenly thru there whilst yapping on an iPhone........
Draw them out!!!

antoobrien

elvis99 wrote: »

Patrols are the answer, any young shíts down there can be moved on at the very least

Preferably with a baton across the ear

SlipperyPeople

any one else in town on sat night think there was a serious lack of gardai around on sat night? with the amount of big groups doing the 12 pubs of christmas not really surprised there was some fighting. my mate got punched and knocked to the ground by two fellas on shop street who then legged it before anyone realised what happened..

Fuinseog

Discodog wrote: »

Yep moved on or they see the Guards, move on & then come back. Totally pointless & impractical because whilst the Guards are patrolling there crime is occurring somewhere else.

there are not enough guards and anyway guards can do very little. otherwise the thugs would cry police brutality and we do not want to live in a police state. the laws are to protect the thugs.

Fuinseog

antoobrien wrote: »

Preferably with a baton across the ear

Spare the rod, spoil the scumbag.
even if attacked most guards are reluctant to use their baton. it usually means the end of their career when the thug sues for police brutality.

Discodog

There are two ways to Police - proactive & reactive. We do the latter. New York was transformed because the Police went proactive. For example parking a truck load of goodies & leaving the doors open. Or getting a woman officer to dress as an old lady. The end result was that loads of villains were caught & the rest were too scared to try anything in case in was a trap.

Treating an assault as low priority simply encourages the thugs. Next time they might inflict serious damage.

eyesquirm

Fuinseog wrote: »

Spare the rod, spoil the scumbag.
even if attacked most guards are reluctant to use their baton. it usually means the end of their career when the thug sues for police brutality.

If you beat the scummy c***s to death, how could they sue? :):)

KittyeeTrix

I'm genuinely wondering why a Garda could not head down there some Sat night and draw these lads out???? Like a sting sort of thing??

Would there be something legally wrong with this or what's the story? Specially if it is a problem area!!

dan hibiki

but how many times do we see an article in the galway papers about gardai being assaulted? im not afraid of galway cops, so these little ****tards sure as hell arent. if i was a cop there would be no way i would go there at night! patroling the area is, as already mentioned, pointless...at best we get a twenty minute respite in the area, at worst they move to a different one. im sorry to have to say this but its the people who have to be proactive. its too easy to report a guard for getting physical and the courts and tabloids will never support guards. i know this will sound like macho-bravado-bull****, but if i spotted someone getting a hammering from ***** like that i would jump right in. i remember another thread a while back where some french guy helped a guy that was attacked in eyre sq. we need to look out for each other when we can. of course this dosent help the person walking on their own. the only logical answer that i can come up with for these spots at night time is illumination. lights ,are to scumcocks, what garlic is to vampires. im sorry folks, i didnt mean to rant on, i just loathe the notion of these ****-spas ruining my city. :mad:

gaillimhabu

Everyone that replied to this thread could join up and head down there some evening to draw them out as a sting and then give them the bating of their lives. Or is that too forward.
Time to stand up to scumbags if the guards won't do anything about it. Be it from lack of resources or interest.

biko

Please stop suggesting beating anyone up would be a good idea.

stampydmonkey

gaillimhabu wrote: »

Everyone that replied to this thread could join up and head down there some evening to draw them out as a sting and then give them the bating of their lives. Or is that too forward.
Time to stand up to scumbags if the guards won't do anything about it. Be it from lack of resources or interest.

Ya cool say Friday evening...meet ye down the spanish arch for a bottle first


:D

Mrs OBumble

Discodog wrote: »

There are two ways to Police - proactive & reactive. We do the latter. New York was transformed because the Police went proactive....

Policing was only one factor. A decline in the proportion of teens in the population helped too. As Wikipedia says (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City):

The city's dramatic drop in crime has been attributed by criminologists to these policing tactics, the end of the crack epidemic and demographic changes.

- it's got more authorative references at the bottom of the article, look them up if you want.


Whilst I don't disagree that policing is needed, the guards also need to priortise their resources, and I suspect that a charge based on entrapment might not stick here.

Discodog

JustMary wrote: »

Whilst I don't disagree that policing is needed, the guards also need to priortise their resources, and I suspect that a charge based on entrapment might not stick here.

What takes priority over an assault - checking tax discs ?

Or do we want Galway to have no go areas.

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

What takes priority over an assault - checking tax discs ?

Or do we want Galway to have no go areas.

Jesus lads what do ye expect?

I was reading last Fridays Tribune earlier, I swear from a few pages you had...

1. A 20yr old who glassed another lad outside Coyotes, brought E2k to court, was given 4 mths to bring E2k more and will receive a suspended sentence(judges words)

2. A scumbag who bashed a fella in the eye(with some object) for no reason blinding the man, was thrown out as the Guards never held a fair ''I.D Parade''

3. A man who put his ex-wife in fear of his life(loads of previous) 11 mth suspended sentence.

4. Man who killed others with dangerous driving, suspended sentence

5. Man who beat up an ex-friend, 1 year suspended sentence

Whats the point in arresting them while the justice system is in this state.
Even the odd one who receives a sentence is going to get out after 4/5 months to free up space for another scumbag getting a light sentence.

The Minister came out around 4 months ago at a Prison Guards AGM and stated the Prisons are at their highest capacity since the formation of the state.

There just isn't enough room for them all, and they aren't interested in safe guarding others by building more and cutting the extortionate costs(think I heard before its E2k p/w ) it currently takes to lock up individuals

BhoscaCapall

Fuinseog wrote: »

even if attacked most guards are reluctant to use their baton. it usually means the end of their career when the thug sues for police brutality.

Well there's no need to use a baton when you can get away with stuff like this is there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZPoa3Ei7Z8

Sur the Gardaí are never the thugs though :rolleyes:

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