Is doing this to pigs legal in Ireland?

gawker

Hey. I had a pretty shocking link sent to me tonight showing how a piglets teeth get ripped out and its tail cut off within a week of being born in the UK. All without anaesthetic. It is completely legal in the UK, so I guess it is also allowed here? Ridiculous if it is...

Here is the link with a video and pictures. Not nice viewing though:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075225/Pain-pigs-Undercover-filming-shows-animals-having-teeth-clipped-metal-pliers-anaesthetic.html

paddyandy

People who eat bacon for long periods tend to develop the Animals temperament in themselves .I wonder if there is any Scientific research to support this claim at all .Could be just speculative .

ItsAWindUp

I wonder how many people saw that article, thought "oh how terrible", and then tucked into a bacon sandwich? When will people become aware that by eating meat they are funding and supporting such cruelty?

Randy Anders

paddyandy wrote: »

People who eat bacon for long periods tend to develop the Animals temperament in themselves .I wonder if there is any Scientific research to support this claim at all .Could be just speculative .

Extremely speculative!

the beer revolu

paddyandy wrote: »

People who eat bacon for long periods tend to develop the Animals temperament in themselves .I wonder if there is any Scientific research to support this claim at all .Could be just speculative .

lol:D:D

paddyandy

I ask that question because fellahs i knew over the years who were very contrary and irritable were very fond of rashers and bacon and i could'nt help but wonder if there was any connection .Of all the animals the pigs organs are closest to humans in their ways and have been seriously considered as transplants .Sort of Cannibalistic to eat them? They have pink skin like a human.

rockynavan

get a grip you madthing

blatantrereg

paddyandy wrote: »

People who eat bacon for long periods tend to develop the Animals temperament in themselves .I wonder if there is any Scientific research to support this claim at all .Could be just speculative .

I've read that Jainism and some other Eastern belief systems teach something like that. They say eating meat causes a change in demeanour like that. They also say that shallots either increase your desires or make you overbearing (or both?)

Their diets seem terribly restrictive. They even avoid eating root vegetables - I think because the plant must be killed to do so, and they consider them to contain more mico-organisms.

Paddy De Plasterer

For real cruelty look at video of Halal killing of cattle and sheep, throats cut while animal is alive, no strunning etc.They still try to walk and breath after it. Horrible.

paddyandy

There are probably Videos on U Tube to show Halal Slaughtering .I saw one once and once was enough.

Paddy De Plasterer

Halal slaughtering is horrific, and should be banned. But business and Islamic rules ok.

paddyandy

I stopped eating meat i saw too much .Cruelty can breed cruelty.I was in catering years ago and saw Crabs and Lobsters struggling in the pots as the water heated up i was very young at the time and was'nt certain of what i was seeing.

dynastygal

Paddy De Plasterer wrote: »

For real cruelty look at video of Halal killing of cattle and sheep, throats cut while animal is alive, no strunning etc.They still try to walk and breath after it. Horrible.

Not all stunning works anyway, we still ultimately kill by throat slitting. Stunning is just rendering an animal unconscious (even though it doesn't work all the time and lines move so quick workers do not bother to check if the animal is indeed unconscious or not).

paddyandy

of any sort as far as i'm aware.

kirw2n

blatantrereg wrote: »

paddyandy wrote: »

People who eat bacon for long periods tend to develop the Animals temperament in themselves .I wonder if there is any Scientific research to support this claim at all .Could be just speculative .

I've read that Jainism and some other Eastern belief systems teach something like that. They say eating meat causes a change in demeanour like that. They also say that shallots either increase your desires or make you overbearing (or both?)

Their diets seem terribly restrictive. They even avoid eating root vegetables - I think because the plant must be killed to do so, and they consider them to contain more mico-organisms.

Also, interestingly, Japan banned the eating of red meat for a period because they thought it caused aggression.

Maybe (since cannibalism causes immense bodily problems) the closer biologically an animal is to a human, the more harmful it is to eat?
Fish and seafood eating communities tend to be healthiest ~

Something to think about, I guess ^^

blatantrereg

kirw2n wrote: »

Also, interestingly, Japan banned the eating of red meat for a period because they thought it caused aggression.

Maybe (since cannibalism causes immense bodily problems) the closer biologically an animal is to a human, the more harmful it is to eat?
Fish and seafood eating communities tend to be healthiest ~

Something to think about, I guess ^^

The only nutrient that is not avilable in a vegetarian diet is a particular type of omega 3 fat that is in fish. That's why fish eaters are marginally more healthy, taken as a group, than vegetarians. Both groups are far healthier than omnivores though. Fish are becoming more and more polluted though, and that is decreasing their value as a healthy source of food.

Meat is loaded with hormones so I wouldnt be surprised if it caused aggression. It would even makes sense from an evolutionary perspective: In an environment where red meat is a primary source of food, it would pay to be a better hunter, and increased aggression would help hunting mammals (without the benefit of guns). I wonder if there is much research on the subject.

Jagle

paddyandy wrote: »

They have pink skin like a human.

only what we perceive to be pink, see there is no such colour as pink, pink exists on the spectrum of light where all the bands we cant see reside, so pink is actually minus blue and red minus green so technical a pig could have ultraviolet coloured skin, just we cant see a difference cos our eyes are crap,
on another note, pigs tasty yummy so carry on,
pig wouldnt cry for me, i wont cry for it

blatantrereg

Jagle wrote: »

only what we perceive to be pink, see there is no such colour as pink, pink exists on the spectrum of light where all the bands we cant see reside, so pink is actually minus blue and red minus green so technical a pig could have ultraviolet coloured skin, just we cant see a difference cos our eyes are crap,
on another note, pigs tasty yummy so carry on,
pig wouldnt cry for me, i wont cry for it

you place yourself on the same level as a pig? Nice...

Jagle

blatantrereg wrote: »

you place yourself on the same level as a pig? Nice...

happily, we are all animals are we not?
and if you wanna talk about avoiding animal cruelty, travel back in time before selective breeding and make pigs skinny again, bottom line is there are an animal designed and breed for eating now, so ill happily eat

blatantrereg

Jagle wrote: »

happily, we are all animals are we not?
and if you wanna talk about avoiding animal cruelty, travel back in time before selective breeding and make pigs skinny again, bottom line is there are an animal designed and breed for eating now, so ill happily eat

We are all animals yes but not all of us are designed and bred for eating
Do you realise that you described cruelty in animal farming in the same sentence as justifying buying into that system? A bit of doublethink there maybe.

Regarding cruelty, I worked in an spca and one of the animals I looked after was a pot-bellied pig. It was aggressive to a lame lamb it shared space with, while very affectionate almost obsequious towards humans. I didn't like it much. Personally I'd be pretty offended to be compared to a pig. I still dont think it's ok to systematically torture them though.

Jagle

blatantrereg wrote: »

We are all animals yes but not all of us are designed and bred for eating

Yes but pigs are, see pigs used to be small taller and skinny, like paris hilton skinny, then we breed them and designed them to be short fat guys with loads of food on them, so defend the pig all you want, but the pig is only designed by us to produce the most amount of meet on it, so why go on about defending the pig when in reality the only way to fix things is to re-engineer the pig.


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Do you realise that you described cruelty in animal farming in the same sentence as justifying buying into that system? A bit of doublethink there maybe.
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Cruelty in animal farming?
buying into that system?

Again the common bred to be rashers pigs dont know anything else, and if we werent using them for food there wouldnt be over a billion pigs on the planet.

and im happily buying into the system, couldnt give 2 thoughts about if my dinner was treated fairly, cos if i was to do it all myself (which i have cut and gutted and prepared animals to be eaten) im not exactly a doctor with the knife, the last of my worries is if this pig had a hard day

blatantrereg

Jagle wrote: »

Yes but pigs are, see pigs used to be small taller and skinny, like paris hilton skinny, then we breed them and designed them to be short fat guys with loads of food on them, so defend the pig all you want, but the pig is only designed by us to produce the most amount of meet on it, so why go on about defending the pig when in reality the only way to fix things is to re-engineer the pig.




Cruelty in animal farming?
buying into that system?

Again the common bred to be rashers pigs dont know anything else, and if we werent using them for food there wouldnt be over a billion pigs on the planet.

and im happily buying into the system, couldnt give 2 thoughts about if my dinner was treated fairly, cos if i was to do it all myself (which i have cut and gutted and prepared animals to be eaten) im not exactly a doctor with the knife, the last of my worries is if this pig had a hard day

Yeah but it's not good to have over a billion pigs on the planet. There would be much less impact on the environment if they were replaced by crops. Pig as a source of food is unhealthy, bad for the environment, uneconomical, and directly causes suffering. There are plenty of reasons not to eat them, and really the only reason to eat them is indulgence....That's why I dont.

I'm not really defending pigs - my point of view is that there should be less of them. But they are pretty advanced creatures, you know, reagardless whether they've been made into fat meat factories, and are not the most likeable beings. They're pretty intelligent, and they do feel distress and suffering.

paddyandy

Jagle wrote: »

happily, we are all animals are we not?
and if you wanna talk about avoiding animal cruelty, travel back in time before selective breeding and make pigs skinny again, bottom line is there are an animal designed and breed for eating now, so ill happily eat

No Animal was EVER designed for eating how churlish an idea.

paddyandy

It might do a lot for the Well-being of people if Pigs were off the food list completely . I never knew an irritable person who was'nt overly fond of his Rashers & Sausages but in fairness it does need scientific enquiry .It's too close to humans for eating but a survey at least would establish a preliminary forum to see if a thorough Scientific Investigation is necessary . Maybe being in my company made them irritable .....possibility i suppose . . Ireland might be a better place without them in every way including the enviornment . Meat eating of any kind causes bo. Well known fact .

blatantrereg

paddyandy wrote: »

Meat eating of any kind causes bo. Well known fact .

Interesting; I didn't know that.
I really noticed a difference with a girl I dated after she went back to eating meat. I didn't get the connection before. (She didn't have BO though)

silverharp

blatantrereg wrote: »

The only nutrient that is not avilable in a vegetarian diet is a particular type of omega 3 fat that is in fish. That's why fish eaters are marginally more healthy, taken as a group, than vegetarians. Both groups are far healthier than omnivores though. Fish are becoming more and more polluted though, and that is decreasing their value as a healthy source of food.

isnt that just aroundabout way of saying that people who look after their diet are healtheir then people who do not. I'd asuume most vegiterians are not beer swilling 20 a day types that tuck into vegatarian pizza and cake everyday, likewise the "omnivores" contain that subset of people who eat poorly

Jimmy Garlic

paddyandy wrote: »

People who eat bacon for long periods tend to develop the Animals temperament in themselves .I wonder if there is any Scientific research to support this claim at all .Could be just speculative .

Absolute nonsense.:rolleyes:

Jimmy Garlic

paddyandy wrote: »

Meat eating of any kind causes bo. Well known fact .

Again, absolute nonsense, propaganda.:rolleyes: Bad personal hygiene causes BO - well known fact. I have met vegans that smelled like old cheese.. It wasn't their diet that made them smell that way, it was their lack of hygiene.

paddyandy

Visit any Zoo....and which houses smell the worst....the Meat-eaters do.

Jimmy Garlic

paddyandy wrote: »

Visit any Zoo....and which houses smell the worst....the Meat-eaters do.

:rolleyes: whatever

blatantrereg

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Again, absolute nonsense, propaganda.:rolleyes: Bad personal hygiene causes BO - well known fact. I have met vegans that smelled like old cheese.. It wasn't their diet that made them smell that way, it was their lack of hygiene.

There are plenty of published academic papers describing studies indicating this is not nonsense at all but is quite correct. You can find them easily with google scholar.

Jimmy Garlic

blatantrereg wrote: »

There are plenty of published academic papers describing studies indicating this is not nonsense at all but is quite correct. You can find them easily with google scholar.

I still don't buy it. Some so called research is bunkum with a scientific veneer, a bend is often put on research that suits per-determined conclusions.
There are studies that suggest that vegeterians suffer from more extreme flatulence. Would you agree that that is the case with every vegetarian?. I wouldn't.

paddyandy

Give up eating meat and you won't have to change your socks as often . That's a Promise ....give it a while for results assuming you are in good health to begin with .This is what makes Boards.ie a great place....If i were a journalist and i stated this in a newspaper article i would be in serious trouble with a lot of interests . I have a freedom here that no journalist has .

kirw2n

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There are studies that suggest that vegeterians suffer from more extreme flatulence. Would you agree that that is the case with every vegetarian?. I wouldn't.[/Quote]

I personally found that becoming a vegetarian made my purchasing of beans (for the ol' protein) increase tenfold. Obviously not the case with everyone, but you get the idea! :P

Jimmy Garlic

kirw2n wrote: »

I personally found that becoming a vegetarian made my purchasing of beans (for the ol' protein) increase tenfold. Obviously not the case with everyone, but you get the idea! :P

i am guessing that you are a vegetarian/vegan that suffers from severe, uncontrollable, and or anti-social flatulence?.

kirw2n

Ah right. I'm being trolled.

I'll take my leave.

paddyandy

The Industry is here ? ... I lost a good friend some years ago to the Fryin' pan.