Tens of thousands of Dutch kids abused by priests.

Broads.ie

What a day for the report to be released. Christopher Hitchens went way too early, he left a lot of unfinished business.

Tens of thousands of children have suffered sexual abuse in Dutch Catholic institutions since 1945, a report says.

The report by an independent commission said Catholic officials failed to tackle the widespread abuse at schools, seminaries and orphanages.

Based on a survey of more than 34,000 people, the report estimates that one in five children in Catholic institutions suffered abuse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16216174


And we can only expect more of these reports in the future, from each continent on the planet.

Mr. Presentable

The report should state

Claim to have suffered sexual abuse

The only two people I know who were compensated by the RIRB for institutional abuse lied about it for the cash. There'd be a lot of that about.

AnonoBoy

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

The report should state

Claim to have suffered sexual abuse

The only two people I know who were compensated by the RIRB for institutional abuse lied about it for the cash. There'd be a lot of that about.

Ah yeah, sure them priests didn't do nuthin' to nobody.

MrStuffins

Since 1945?

Holy cow, it's only 1120 now.

Imagine what the number will be this time tomorrow? Bloody priests!

smash

Can we just kick the catholic church out of Ireland and have all their assets confiscated to cover some of our national debt?

o1s1n

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

The report should state

Claim to have suffered sexual abuse

The only two people I know who were compensated by the RIRB for institutional abuse lied about it for the cash. There'd be a lot of that about.

Indeed. Two people you know is an accurate reflection of the reports of tens of thousands.

Oh wait, no it's not.

du Maurier

Seminary - The English word is taken from the Latin seminarium, translated as seed-bed, an image taken from the Council of Trent document Cum adolescentium aetas which called for the first modern seminaries.

Just sounds wrong...

stovelid

Let's not clog up the forum with more religious threads.

Latchy

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

The report should state

Claim to have suffered sexual abuse

The only two people I know who were compensated by the RIRB for institutional abuse lied about it for the cash. There'd be a lot of that about.

There still be in- denial by accused and there supporters that this sort of thing went on...there be a lot of that about to .

Mr. Presentable

o1s1n wrote: »

Indeed. Two people you know is an accurate reflection of the reports of tens of thousands.

Oh wait, no it's not.

Was not my claim.

Jumpy

du Maurier wrote: »

Seminary - The English word is taken from the Latin seminarium, translated as seed-bed, an image taken from the Council of Trent document Cum adolescentium aetas which called for the first modern seminaries.

Just sounds wrong...

Council of Trent?

Jesus Christ! Run!


They will shoot us and we will have to have sex with them.

Mr. Presentable

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Ah yeah, sure them priests didn't do nuthin' to nobody.

Was not my claim either.

I know this is AH, but I still expect a modicum of reading ability and comprehension to be in evidence. Silly me, eh?

EL_Loco

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Was not my claim either.

I know this is AH, but I still expect a modicum of reading ability and comprehension to be in evidence. Silly me, eh?

yeah pal, exit is over there.....

Oranage2

Well without doubt the Country was a better place when protestants ran it!



And perhaps this puts a new twist on Anne Franks Diary

Ellis Dee

Broads.ie wrote: »

What a day for the report to be released. Christopher Hitchens went way too early ---

Now ain't that the truth. But there are still plenty of us who were inspired by him and will continue to struggle against superstition and ignorance.:):)

Broads.ie wrote: »

And we can only expect more of these reports in the future, from each continent on the planet.

Yes, despite the best efforts of the kiddy-fiddler church and its running dogs to hush things up and silence its critics. :rolleyes:

Odd really, that no one has yet posted anything about "another anti-catholic thread" here.:pac:

up for anything

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

I know this is AH, but I still expect a modicum of reading ability and comprehension to be in evidence. Silly me, eh?

How you can claim to know AH yet still expect anything is beyond me!

AnonoBoy

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Was not my claim either.

I know this is AH, but I still expect a modicum of reading ability and comprehension to be in evidence. Silly me, eh?

I know this is AH, but I still expect a modicum of joke-sensing ability and comprehension to be in evidence. Silly me, eh?

Dionysus

Another group of horror stories in this morning's Irish Times regarding child abuse, this time from what is perceived to be a largely "Protestant" country and it still involves abuse in the Catholic Church:

Dutch priests abused 'up to 20,000 children'

"PETER CLUSKEY in The Hague

THE NETHERLANDS was in shock last night after a long-awaited 1,100-page report confirmed that more than 800 Catholic priests and monks abused as many as 20,000 children in their care between 1945 and 1985.

The report of the Deetman Commission, chaired by former education minister Wim Deetman, also concluded that knowledge of the abuse was widespread, and it accused religious orders, dioceses and even congregations of failing to help the victims or take action against the abusers.

It said the abuse, which included sexual abuse, took place in boarding schools, children’s homes and orphanages across the country, but was never openly acknowledged by church authorities because of their “culture of silence” and determination “not to hang out their dirty washing”.

Mr Deetman, a former chairman of the Christian Democratic Party who began his investigation in March 2010 when the allegations surfaced, said the commission estimated the number of children abused at between 10,000 and 20,000.

More than 800 of the abusers have been named. Of those, 105 are still alive – though Mr Deetman could not say how many still worked for the church.

He said that some 2,000 victims had so far come forward to make official complaints – and of that number, 1,800 of the cases had involved sexual abuse that in many cases could be characterized as “very serious”.

“To prevent a scandal, nothing was done,” said Mr Deetman. “The abuse was not acknowledged, and there was no help, compensation or aftercare for the victims. The claim by church officials that they did not know what was going on simply does not hold water.”

On the controversial issue of celibacy, the report said that while this was not a critical element in the abuse, it was an additional risk factor that made priests “more vulnerable to transgressive behaviour”. Mr Deetman told a news conference in The Hague: “We do not consider it impossible that a number of these cases might not have happened if celibacy had been voluntary.”

In a brief statement last night, the Catholic Bishops’ Conference in the Netherlands said the church had been “shocked and shamed” by the report.

It also reiterated an offer, first made by the Dutch church last month, to pay compensation totalling about €5 million to victims. This would range from about €5,000 for inappropriate remarks or behaviour, up to €100,000 for the most serious cases of sexual abuse.

However, that compensation offer was described at the time as inadequate by groups representing victims – and they accused the church of a cynical attempt to pre-empt yesterday’s report.

Last night the victims’ organisation Klokk said the findings had been even more shocking than they had expected.

The organisation criticised, in particular, “the passive attitude” of the Catholic Church in its response both to the original allegations and to the subsequent findings – and said that attitude gave grounds for little hope that anything in the church would change. A separate commission, led by a senior department of justice official, Rieke Samson-Geerlings, is investigating the role of the Dutch social services in placing children in institutions – and in some cases in foster homes – where they were open to abuse."

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Is there no end to this, and do Protestant religious people not abuse children as much or are they not coming to terms with it in public? Celibacy does not, obviously, create paedophiles, but clearly paedophiles have used religion as a cover to abuse children. Have they been using Catholicism more than they use the other Christian churches, or are the other Christian churches not facing up to their own problems in this area?

mackg

According to the Dutch Central Bureau for Statistics 29% of the Dutch population of 16 million identified themselves as Catholics in 2008, making it the largest religion in the country.

From the guardians article on the story.

recylingbin

Dionysus wrote: »

Is there no end to this, and do Protestant religious people not abuse children as much or are they not coming to terms with it in public?

Protestants get their 'kicks' from playing rugby.

mackg

recylingbin wrote: »

Protestants get their 'kicks' from playing rugby.

And banging their wives.

No matter how many times I hear about this stuff (not just in relation to the church) it shocks me how rampant child sex abuse is. It has probably been going on for ages as well but those victims are long gone and we will never hear about it, poor kids. Destroying peoples lives so you can bust your nut.

Super-Rush

Merged.