Radeon HD7970 Details

Serephucus

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=218536

Ironically, posted in the NVIDIA forums, but it's quite a comprehensive compilation of rumours, leaked info, speculation, etc.

Apparently the 7970 could launch as early as next Thursday (22nd), the next most-likely date being January 10th.

deejer

Ya everywhere I read seem to suggest a launch on thursday. Not sure what the point of that is cause its really only a paper launch at that stage.

Monotype

Only one DVI connector? Interesting. I'd say some people might find that a little annoying.
Where are the 7800s AMD?

There's further info on their lower end, at least - I found a picture of their radeon 7500.



Looks like they're supporting lower end systems well with the retro design - introducing two VGA connectors and the AGP interface! So it will work with all those old systems that are in great need of a graphics upgrade. :pac:
Passive cooling too!

marco_polo

If the <3W idle power usage is true that would be incredible for such a beast of a card. :eek:

ShadowHearth

i cant find it: is it pci 3.0 or 2.0

Monotype

I believe I read somewhere said it was PCI-E 3, which is amusing given that AMD don't have any motherboards with PCI-E 3 of their own.

glynf

I read somewhere it's going to be mid jan before it will ship in decent quantities.

I'll be selling a 7 month old 6970 around then if anyone's interested.

ShadowHearth

glynf wrote: »

I read somewhere it's going to be mid jan before it will ship in decent quantities.

I'll be selling a 7 month old 6970 around then if anyone's interested.

ill wait and see, to be honest, everything looks lovely on the paper, but when you get the actual thing, it can be way less then expected *cough* bulldozer *cough*

Trevor451

Monotype wrote: »

Only one DVI connector? Interesting. I'd say some people might find that a little annoying.
Where are the 7800s AMD?

There's further info on their lower end, at least - I found a picture of their radeon 7500.



Looks like they're supporting lower end systems well with the retro design - introducing two VGA connectors and the AGP interface! So it will work with all those old systems that are in great need of a graphics upgrade. :pac:
Passive cooling too!

Are you sure thats a radeon HD 7500? I wouldn't think that developing a AGP card would be financially viable since almost no motherboards within the last 5 years feature AGP slots.


There was a 7500 card released in 2001 (confusing naming I know)
http://www.guru3d.com/review/ati/radeon7500/

Monotype

Just my (somewhat poor) attempt at a joke. I was noting they've come back to the same numbers. Still the Radeon brand but the cards from recent series have the prefix "HD" which is usually dropped.

I doubt we'll see a bulldozer here. AMD's were in a shaky position with their processors for years but their GPUs have been commendable. There's always room for poor performance with bad drivers with a new series but it's unlikely that they'll be going backwards from the 6000s. The biggest danger is overpricing!

I'm looking forward to any news about 77xxs and 78xxs, theses are always much more interesting, although the 6950 was quite affordable this time round.

ShadowHearth

Monotype wrote: »

Just my (somewhat poor) attempt at a joke. I was noting they've come back to the same numbers. Still the Radeon brand but the cards from recent series have the prefix "HD" which is usually dropped.

I doubt we'll see a bulldozer here. AMD's were in a shaky position with their processors for years but their GPUs have been commendable. There's always room for poor performance with bad drivers with a new series but it's unlikely that they'll be going backwards from the 6000s. The biggest danger is overpricing!

I'm looking forward to any news about 77xxs and 78xxs, theses are always much more interesting, although the 6950 was quite affordable this time round.

dead on. x7xx and x8xx are the main horses of the batch. Only few lucky ones can afford to go most high end, but two mentioned above were for us mortals

Serephucus

ShadowHearth wrote: »

dead on. x7xx and x8xx are the main horses of the batch. Only few lucky ones can afford to go most high end, but two mentioned above were for us mortals

Says the guy with a 6970 equivalent...

ShadowHearth

Serephucus wrote: »

Says the guy with a 6970 equivalent...

*Same guy is kicking himself in the nits for buying it too.

*same guy feels bent over and done nicely without lube by nvidia.

Serephucus

ShadowHearth wrote: »

*Same guy is kicking himself in the nits for buying it too.

*same guy feels bent over and done nicely without lube by nvidia.

You know you can just return the card, right? If you want the 6870 - a slower card - that much, then box the thing up and send it back already!

ShadowHearth

Serephucus wrote: »

You know you can just return the card, right? If you want the 6870 - a slower card - that much, then box the thing up and send it back already!

I hate returns, posts, plus it will leave me with no pc for a week or two.

I am happy with my system now and it works well, but i would not put myself out of "mortals" section, just because i got that overpriced thing. I learned my lesson, i will newer buy high end card, which has twice the price and only 10-15% performance increase. If someone is rich enough, then fair play.

nesf

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I learned my lesson, i will newer buy high end card, which has twice the price and only 10-15% performance increase. If someone is rich enough, then fair play.

If you start gaming at over 1080p you won't have a choice about it.

ShadowHearth

nesf wrote: »

If you start gaming at over 1080p you won't have a choice about it.

like pointed out in previuos thread by you lads: alot of people are not playin on 16x10++ even now. that steam survey? monitors with 1080p are still very expensive.. so 1080p+ is only for rich people.

in a generation or two Mid/Highish cards will be capable of it. The golden spot of performance for your money.

nesf

ShadowHearth wrote: »

like pointed out in previuos thread by you lads: alot of people are not playin on 16x10++ even now. that steam survey? monitors with 1080p are still very expensive.. so 1080p+ is only for rich people.

in a generation or two Mid/Highish cards will be capable of it. The golden spot of performance for your money.

Sure but I know people who started gaming on 30" monitors 6 years ago. As a % of the market it's not huge but around 5% of gamers already game at 27" so it's not that rare really.

ShadowHearth

nesf wrote: »

Sure but I know people who started gaming on 30" monitors 6 years ago. As a % of the market it's not huge but around 5% of gamers already game at 27" so it's not that rare really.

so when i said that good few people play on 16x10+ BF3 i was wrong, because 50% were bellow 16x10 according to steam survey and its rare for such high ressolutions, but there are 5% of people with 27inch monitors and its not that rare anymore... :rolleyes:


anyway, **** it all, my main point was, that for mortal gamers ( me included, with no 27invh monitor ) are more interested in x8xx and x7xx cards then high end card. i really doubt that they outsell more of 6970 and 6990 and 580, then 6870,6850 and 560ti.

nesf

ShadowHearth wrote: »

so when i said that good few people play on 16x10+ BF3 i was wrong, because 50% were bellow 16x10 according to steam survey and its rare for such high ressolutions, but there are 5% of people with 27inch monitors and its not that rare anymore... :rolleyes:

You said hardly anyone games at low resolutions, that's what we had issue with. 5% of overall gamers on Steam is a fairly large number in terms of hardcore gamers or the high end of the market. The vast majority of the high end will be at 1080p but a sizeable proportion will want more. That and monitors last many, many years if you buy a good quality one. Versus graphics cards which you might have to upgrade every two years if you're obsessed with maximum detail and fps.

ShadowHearth wrote: »

anyway, **** it all, my main point was, that for mortal gamers ( me included, with no 27invh monitor ) are more interested in x8xx and x7xx cards then high end card. i really doubt that they outsell more of 6970 and 6990 and 580, then 6870,6850 and 560ti.

Tis a performance thing. Some people care about that last 5%, most don't. If you want to sink your money into better cards because you really enjoy high detail levels, more power to you etc. Plus for some people building and optimising a high powered rig is as much a hobby as the gaming itself.

deejer

Well the details are out

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/

I kinda expected a bigger increase in performance though. Average of 15-20% from the 580. It is now the fasted single chip GPU out there but that is to be expected. Power consumption figures look impressive also.

Actually so do the crossfire results

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1362/pg1/amd-radeon-hd-7970-crossfire-performance-review-introduction.html

dwighet

deejer wrote: »

Well the details are out

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/

I kinda expected a bigger increase in performance though. Average of 15-20% from the 580. It is now the fasted single chip GPU out there but that is to be expected. Power consumption figures look impressive also.

Actually so do the crossfire results

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1362/pg1/amd-radeon-hd-7970-crossfire-performance-review-introduction.html

Any Idea on the price tag of one of those puppies?

Monotype

It's on the first page - $549. I'd expect this translates to maybe just under €500 for the 7950 for sales in Europe.

Power consumption tests are very impressive - the idle power being in with current middle-lowish cards. Great for people leaving their machines on for long periods or do a lot of office work.

dan_ep82

looking forward to the 7990 and 7870 benches.
If the price is too high hopefully the 69XX series will come down in price

Serephucus

Certainly a nice card. Expensive though. It makes the 580 (~€400) better value. :P

The only thing that's a little worrying for me is that it seems to be quite a loud card. 46dB(A) from Techpowerup.

Looks like a decent jump though. It'll be interesting to see what the 7950 is like, and if it can keep the price-point of the 6950.

ShadowHearth

Serephucus wrote: »

Certainly a nice card. Expensive though. It makes the 580 (~€400) better value. :P

The only thing that's a little worrying for me is that it seems to be quite a loud card. 46dB(A) from Techpowerup.

Looks like a decent jump though. It'll be interesting to see what the 7950 is like, and if it can keep the price-point of the 6950.

it does make 580 better value.

nice figures, but its still a 500eu card!

well, lets hope it will drop prices of other cards, daddy needs a second 570!

deejer

Personally Im going to be looking out for a 580 in the new year second hand cause I think it would be better value.

Might even take that block off you Serephucus if you still have it then

Serephucus

ShadowHearth wrote: »

well, lets hope it will drop prices of other cards, daddy needs a second 570!

Prices should drop, yeah. Odds are it won't be the day the card comes out though. Usually takes a week or so for prices to stabilize.

deejer wrote: »

Personally Im going to be looking out for a 580 in the new year second hand cause I think it would be better value.

Might even take that block off you Serephucus if you still have it then

You'll probably find a bunch on Adverts a week after the 7xxxs be come available, so shouldn't be much of a problem. :P

And yeah, still have it.

srsly78

Whoever said 1080 monitors are expensive is wrong :P You can easily build a 3 monitor system these days for cheap.

Even ancient consoles can run at 1920x1080 easily. Contrast this to a PC with a single 6970, can run Skyrim at 7680x1600 (no aa). This is what high-end cards are for. Other games struggle at silly resolutions with 6970 tho (Skyrim is old engine), will be interesting to see if the 7970 can handle games like IL2: Cliffs of Dover at that res.

Monotype

I think you're overestimating the power of the consoles. Most games don't run at 1080p.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

The monitors aren't too dear (considering you can get 1920x1080 monitors at just over the €100 mark), it's the system that you need to run them that adds up. I suppose it's relatively cheap in comparison to a few years ago when you needed a high end card to run games well, while mid cards now are very capable for their price.

srsly78

I know most don't, but some do. They are 5+ years old at this stage? No comparison. Pity that consoles are retarding hardware development at the moment, but they do stimulate software alright.

FYI: my monitors cost a lot more than the pc. But yeah you can get cheap 1080 monitors too.

It's quite funny to watch people spending a fortune on top-spec gaming pc, and then pairing it with a cheap 1080 monitor. What a complete waste!

ShadowHearth

Serephucus wrote: »

Prices should drop, yeah. Odds are it won't be the day the card comes out though. Usually takes a week or so for prices to stabilize.



You'll probably find a bunch on Adverts a week after the 7xxxs be come available, so shouldn't be much of a problem. :P

And yeah, still have it.

you think? there are no 460,470,480,570,560 out for sale on donedeal. unfortunatly i cant see 570,580 being for sale so soon

the best we can hope: drastic price cut for these at retail shops.

if 570 will drop to 200eu mark i will buy one more brand new in a blink of an eye!

Serephucus

ShadowHearth wrote: »

if 570 will drop to 200eu mark i will buy one more brand new in a blink of an eye!

Not a chance. €250 at most.

ShadowHearth

Serephucus wrote: »

Not a chance. €250 at most.

true, you can only hope.


back on topic: i would really love to see 7850 and 7870 and what can they do, unfortunatly i newer knew how much did 6850 and 6870 costed at launch.

Monotype

£133 and £176 respectively. This was a good price at the time and price increased later that day.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68630954&postcount=112

marco_polo

Now roll on late Feburary (rumoured) and the 7870 please so I can finally throw my auld 4870 up on adverts.

ShadowHearth

Monotype wrote: »

£133 and £176 respectively. This was a good price at the time and price increased later that day.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68630954&postcount=112

well if it will perform 10-15% better then 6870 and be sold for similar money, then we got a lovely lovely card there lads.

Serephucus

ShadowHearth wrote: »

well if it will perform 10-15% better then 6870 and be sold for similar money, then we got a lovely lovely card there lads.

10-15% from a generation jump? I'd expect closer to 50-60% at least.

ShadowHearth

Serephucus wrote: »

10-15% from a generation jump? I'd expect closer to 50-60% at least.

If i would expecting 50-60% i wouldnt be sitting with 8800GT for 4 years...

there is not a hope there is a jump 6970 to 7970 50-60%

these days a 25-30% jump in one generation is alot. 50-60% is a dream...

deejer

ShadowHearth wrote: »

you think? there are no 460,470,480,570,560 out for sale on donedeal. unfortunatly i cant see 570,580 being for sale so soon

the best we can hope: drastic price cut for these at retail shops.

if 570 will drop to 200eu mark i will buy one more brand new in a blink of an eye!

See a GTX 470 up on adverts now if your looking

http://www.adverts.ie/software/470-gtx/1203910

ShadowHearth

deejer wrote: »

See a GTX 470 up on adverts now if your looking

http://www.adverts.ie/software/470-gtx/1203910

Ah cheers m8. I did listed all those cards for example, as there are really not many this and last gen cards for sale.

I will be looking for gtx 570

the_syco

marco_polo wrote: »

Now roll on late Feburary (rumoured) and the 7870 please so I can finally throw my auld 4870 up on adverts.

Wonder if my 4870 will be worth anything, but I hope to do the same.

marco_polo

the_syco wrote: »

Wonder if my 4870 will be worth anything, but I hope to do the same.

Not expecting to much anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if whoever buys it keeps the Acelero Twin Turbo cooler and bins the rest.

Unregistered.

All this cack about 50% jumps per generation is lunacy. As these chips get more complex and become more efficient, it will become more difficult to get such big improvements. A good metric would be for the the high-mid end cards (ie. HD x850/x870) to replace the last gen's high end cards (x950/x970). Same with the mid tier's x770s replacing the last gen's x870 and so on... Assuming the same price/power bracket for each tier. I think that's more sustainable.

Icyseanfitz

so when is the 7970 expected to release? any idea of the cost? a little sick of my gtx 460 at the moment

deejer

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

so when is the 7970 expected to release? any idea of the cost? a little sick of my gtx 460 at the moment

9th of January they are saying. And its going to set you back about Eur500 id say. Think might be better to wait for the 78xx series cards as they should be better priced

On a side note the 7990 is due out end of Q1. 6GB of memory :cool:

Icyseanfitz

pity they dont try to undercut nvidia with a more powerful cheaper card i could just get another 460 but i just want to get a single card solution tbh, oh well i can wait and see what happens

daz801

NOM! NOM! NOM! look at those bench scores! just wait for the drivers to catch up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gFxAlGjwms

same guy has review of a single card and crossfire

just seen shadowhearth got the first over in the hardware discussion thread

ShadowHearth

daz801 wrote: »

NOM! NOM! NOM! look at those bench scores! just wait for the drivers to catch up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gFxAlGjwms

same guy has review of a single card and crossfire

just seen shadowhearth got the first over in the hardware discussion thread

he did a great video of single 7970 review and comparasing pcie 2.0 vs pcie 3.0

so far i am prety sure this gen wont saturate 3.0 at all. i am afraid to say it, but pcie 2.0 will be quite good for very long time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlFW7HgrPnM