Shannon to split from the DAA.

roundymac

report from Booz and co consultants has recommended that Shannon be run by local interests and Cork stay under the control of the DAA.
ww.irishexaminer.com/ireland/report-keep-cork-airport-within-daa-but-free-shannon-177314.html

donvito99

Suggest thread title should be changed. Genuinely thought there that SNN had split from DAA. This is seemingly just a recommendation!

An Udaras

The State Airport Act 2004 introduced these changes to separate the three airports. For Shannon to be separated a new piece of legislation will be required to establish another new Airport Operator for Shannon as well as sorting the 600million deficit in the DAA pension which Shannon workers are part of while also clearing all there debt related from Shannon among the other minefield of issues down there! Can't see this being a quick fix separating it from the DAA family.. As well protecting DAA Shannon staff rights and conditions..

Better answer would be reduced costs by changing conditions for new entrants, offer good condition for new airlines, new business innovation team to bring in new business And have only one board in the DAA up in Dublin not individual boards in Cork & Shannon etc etc..

State Airport Act MK2????

As the "DON" said above this is ONLY a suggestion in a consultants reports and is only a recommendation how many of these have reached cabinet before and never been acted on?

roundymac

An Udaras wrote: »

Better answer would be reduced costs by changing conditions for new entrants, offer good condition for new airlines, new business innovation team to bring in new business And have only one board in the DAA up in Dublin not individual boards in Cork & Shannon etc etc.


So Cork and Shannon end up being the poor relations of Dublin again.:mad:

number10a

It's a sickening set up. According to this report and the government, Cork Airport should not be run independently despite all of the promises we've heard. Although a part of the DAA, the airport itself (not the DAA) is saddled with a debt for the new terminal that it was promised it would not have to deal with when the loan was drawn down. Cork Airport was told that this would be funded through central government funding, airport was built, and the bill was sent to Cork. It's not like it was a vanity white elephant project, the old terminal was running at almost triple its designed capacity. Without that debt, the report says that the airport is running profitably on a day-to-day basis.

An Udaras

Hey Roundy,

In Dublin all new entrants are on changed T&Cs from pre 2010 staff i.e. T2 staff

For example a Firefighter in Dublin is on the same wages & conditions as his colleagues in ORK & SNN who deal with less traffic through but retains the same wage so unsure how it's unfair?

ORK & SNN should be benched mark off each other not DUB in the first place as in DUB they handle 18-20million passengers a year while respectively the southern airports deal with a combined 5million or so??? There more akin to larger regional airports then international ones? I think it's a fair assessment?

Having individual boards for ORK & SNN is waist of money why not combine them or better just have one big board with representive from all the airports?? I am against the spilt of any of the airports from the DAA.

Roundy what could be done better to improve Shannon or Cork?

roundymac

The DAA were given the Great Southern chain of hotels by way of compensation which they sold at a handsome profit, but then there was a change of minister and suddenly the debt was back on Cork.:mad:

An Udaras

I dont understand you're point?

roundymac

DAA were to absorb the debt, they were given the hotel group to compensate them.

An Udaras

They bought the hotels in early 1990 from CIE is the debt in Cork not associated with passenger terminal they built in 2000s?? Am I missing something?

Please Note: I may well be missing something

Elessar

An Udaras wrote: »

Can't see this being a quick fix separating it from the DAA family.. As well protecting DAA Shannon staff rights and conditions..

Better answer would be reduced costs by changing conditions for new entrants, offer good condition for new airlines, new business innovation team to bring in new business And have only one board in the DAA up in Dublin not individual boards in Cork & Shannon etc etc..

Whatever way it happens 'two-tier employment' is sure to continue in the DAA; those pre T2 and those post T2. But it won't be easy. Expect industrial action at Shannon in relation to any changes.

T2 is where it has all changed. T2 is the Ryanair of the DAA. Longer working hours, less money, exhausted staff, poorer conditions and a far more strict working environment than T1. People doing the same job (with more responsibility) getting much worse pay and conditions than people a few hundred yards from them - this happens, even though it shouldn't, because T2 is classed as a separate entity, a new terminal, a new company (well, not technically as it's the same company as the DAA according to Revenue Commissioners - there are quite a few former ASU who are now in T2 trying to get their legal entitlements re: transfer of undertakings but that is a separate discussion).

If Shannon splits, it won't be so easy to have people on lower pay and conditions working along side current staff. Expect industrial unrest.

In fact, industrial unrest caused by the "cost recovery" of the post-T2 era is already beginning to take shape in Dublin airport. There were rumors (apparently true) of a ballot for strike action by Airport Police only last week in relation to staffing needs and the DAA's desire to have newcomers on much less pay and worse conditions than current staff. And that is not the only section with industrial unrest. This is despite a profit of €33 million for the DAA in 2010 alone, that's €33 million profit in the worst recession ever to hit the Irish state.

As a friend of mine put it, a job with the DAA used to be a good thing, now it's just something to tide you over until something better comes up. T2 has a high staff turnover.

Expect unrest across the DAA, particularly if they split the airports.

roundymac

An Udaras wrote: »

They bought the hotels in early 1990 from CIE is the debt in Cork not associated with passenger terminal they built in 2000s?? Am I missing something?

Please Note: I may well be missing something

They were bought by AER RIANTA which comprised Dublin Shannon and Cork Airports, not the DAA.

mayotom

An Udaras wrote: »

Hey Roundy,

In Dublin all new entrants are on changed T&Cs from pre 2010 staff i.e. T2 staff

For example a Firefighter in Dublin is on the same wages & conditions as his colleagues in ORK & SNN who deal with less traffic through but retains the same wage so unsure how it's unfair?

ORK & SNN should be benched mark off each other not DUB in the first place as in DUB they handle 18-20million passengers a year while respectively the southern airports deal with a combined 5million or so??? There more akin to larger regional airports then international ones? I think it's a fair assessment?

Having individual boards for ORK & SNN is waist of money why not combine them or better just have one big board with representive from all the airports?? I am against the spilt of any of the airports from the DAA.

Roundy what could be done better to improve Shannon or Cork?

I don't think that Roundy was talking about new staff.... these days it has to be new entrants(customers) new airlines and routes, otherwise there would be no work for the staff and therefore no jobs, by the way that the DAA are messing things up this scenario will come much quicker than they expect

roundymac

I never mentioned staff Udaras, that's your quote at the top of my post.

highlydebased

An Udaras wrote: »

Having individual boards for ORK & SNN is waist of money why not combine them or better just have one big board with representive from all the airports?? I am against the spilt of any of the airports from the DAA.

Given the rivalry between the two, I doubt that would work.

xflyer

As a friend of mine put it, a job with the DAA used to be a good thing, now it's just something to tide you over until something better comes up. T2 has a high staff turnover.

Welcome to the private sector and the real world.

The gravy plane has long since departed.

Staff turnover will remain high until the the people who expect their job to be a 'good thing' all leave and are replaced by people who have no sense of entitlement. Harsh I know but there you are.

People may complain about working harder and being paid less. But that's because until now people in companies like the DAA have had it too handy for too long. Ask anyone who worked in any of the multinationals what real work is. I suspect anyone moving from one of those to T2 would think they were on easy street. It's all relative.

The same applies to Shannon and Cork. It also applies throughout the country.

An Udaras

Sorry for the confusion lads.. I read Roundy's post to read that Cork and Shannon would be worse off again after Dublin.. I took this to mean staff conditions etc..

My mistake sorry about that.

Aer Rianta became DAA after the state airport act 2004 so before the vesting day DAA still remains control of all assets and debts..

Mayotom what do you reckon DAA are doing so wrong down there?

Xflyer is quite accurate with the above post..

mayotom

An Udaras wrote: »

Mayotom what do you reckon DAA are doing so wrong down there?

Xflyer is quite accurate with the above post..

Very simple really they are woefully noncompetitive they are doing nothing to attract new business to what is a fantastic facility. I just can't see any Airline starting new routes, their biggest carrier Ryanair is Dropping routes like there is no tomorrow, while expanding in Knock and Kerry. We are now reaching the point where knock is surpassing Shannon for passenger numbers, all this in what was once one of the most important Airports in Europe.

lockman

mayotom wrote: »

.....We are now reaching the point where knock is surpassing Shannon for passenger numbers, .

Still some way to go before NOC overtakes SNN in terms of pax.

According to wiki,
NOC pax for 2010 were ~600K, while SNN had 1.8 million pax in 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_West_Airport_Knock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_airport#Passenger_numbers

highlydebased

mayotom wrote: »

Very simple really they are woefully noncompetitive they are doing nothing to attract new business to what is a fantastic facility. I just can't see any Airline starting new routes, their biggest carrier Ryanair is Dropping routes like there is no tomorrow, while expanding in Knock and Kerry. We are now reaching the point where knock is surpassing Shannon for passenger numbers, all this in what was once one of the most important Airports in Europe.

They've only skeleton routes in Kerry again. So you call letting airlines use the airport for free, saddling the airport with more debt, as compeditive? Similarly as mentioned below, Shannon still has 3 times Knock's throughput.