Social houses in my estate

crimebuster

Bought a house in a estate, 4 bed detached home. Over the last week there has been 8 estate houses in my estate given out as social housing. These houses were originally down as affordable housing but the council have now given them out as social,

Is my house now worth less because of these social houses??

El Weirdo

No. Your house is worth less because of the state of the housing market.

donalg1

Who knows really I suppose it depends who moves in to them as not all social housing tenants will devalue an estate!! Affordable social or private someone dodgy could move in to any of them wouldn't be exclusive to social housing. And a buyer won't necessarily know what house is privately owned rented or social

JohnnyTodd

Not at all. There's social housing in every estate now

crimebuster

what about one of the new social housing people who moved his 3 cars, that are not roadworthy into pubilc car parking spaces in the estate!!!!!!!

El Weirdo

crimebuster wrote: »

what about one of the new social housing people who moved his 3 cars, that are not roadworthy into pubilc car parking spaces in the estate!!!!!!!

Speak to the council's housing department about it. Or I suppose you could speak to the Gardai.

K_P

crimebuster wrote: »

what about one of the new social housing people who moved his 3 cars, that are not roadworthy into pubilc car parking spaces in the estate!!!!!!!

Yeah, ring the guards and tell them someone has parked a car in public car parking spaces and let us know what they say. :rolleyes:

I highly doubt social housing tenants are affecting the value of your house one way or the other. If anything, it's likely they're helping you out. A prospective buyer would be much more put off by a large section of the estate being unoccupied and falling into disrepair. Social housing, if managed well, is completely indistinguishable from any other housing.

crimebuster

how about no tax on any of the cars and only 3 wheels on one of them!!!

MagicMarker

crimebuster wrote: »

how about no tax on any of the cars and only 3 wheels on one of them!!!

Heaven's to betsy, pretty soon you'll have black neighbours too! :eek: :rolleyes:

Really, what's the point in whinging? Your house is probably worth a lot less than what you've paid for it, some social housing dotted around the estate isn't going to make much of a difference.

crimebuster

it must be nice paying 30 euro a week for the same house i pay over 1000 euro a month for, i take it that you are on the gravy train too!!

MagicMarker

crimebuster wrote: »

it must be nice paying 30 euro a week for the same house i pay over 1000 euro a month for, i take it that you are on the gravy train too!!

And most of that €1000 is probably interest, sucks to be you!

crimebuster

ah beats being a scrounger

kildare.17hmr

crimebuster wrote: »

it must be nice paying 30 euro a week for the same house i pay over 1000 euro a month for, i take it that you are on the gravy train too!!

Yes it must be:rolleyes:

Fact is people are entitled to these because of their situation and to them that €120 per month is probably just as hard to pay as your €1000 a month. get on with your life and stop moaning about your neighbours who have done nothing wrong because that last post makes you sound like a dick head.

The house 2 doors away from me(mine is rented) is a social house, we didnt know untill we were living there 2 years and our kids became good friends, no one would ever know unless they were told

No "gravy train" here before you ask

K_P

They're still allowed park there and you would probably have no problem with them whatsoever if they were private owners.

Look, this is clearly nothing to do with house prices. You're p****d off that they're paying social housing rent (often a lot more than €30pw by the way) and you're paying off an over-inflated mortgage.

My advice would be to let it go. Don't think about it as you'll only end up resenting your neighbours (more than you already do) and hating where you live. It's not worth it.

crimebuster

there 120 euro is hard to pay, come out of the fog.

F1ngers

Wait til your mortgage is paid off - you'll have an extra E1K pm as disposable income and those "scroungers" will still be paying E30 pw - sucks to be them.

kildare.17hmr

crimebuster wrote: »

there 120 euro is hard to pay, come out of the fog.

no fog around here, do you know their situation? may not be hard for you but your really not in a position to comment on anyone else without knowing the facts and as another poster pointed out its usually a fair bit more than €30, i know a girl in a small 2 bed apt and her rent is €45 pw

Dymo

Why is everyone so bitter towards crimebuster, he's after paying top dollar for his house from money he has worked had to earn then someone down the road gets a free house for a couple of euro a week. It's not that hard to understand his frustration.

As for the value of his house, without doubt it has down valued his house. If I was buying in an estate I'd perfer not to take the chance that I could be next door to nackers. I've seen where this has happened and the estate's have been practically ruined and I pity the people who are still paying big mortgages on houses on area's that have gotten bad reputations.

I know that everyone in social housing aren't like this, bla, bla, bla but I've seen enough of scumbags wreck a place because they know the council will re-house them.

desertcircus

Because of course what we should do is take everyone who needs council housing and ghettoise them. Nothing ill can come of that.

They're renting, you've bought. You're not in the same situation, so don't bother comparing.

kildare.17hmr

**** sake lads Knackers and scum bags can buy houses next door to you too.

I know that everyone in social housing aren't like this, bla, bla, bla but I've seen enough of scumbags wreck a place because they know the council will re-house them

could just as easily happen with privatly owned houses anywhere in the country

RayM

crimebuster wrote: »

it must be nice paying 30 euro a week for the same house i pay over 1000 euro a month for, i take it that you are on the gravy train too!!

You'd probably be a much happier (and less unpleasant) person if you didn't worry about what other people have and how much they're paying for it. If they're paying €30 or €30,000 per week, it really shouldn't make any difference to you.

Zamboni

crimebuster wrote: »

it must be nice paying 30 euro a week for the same house i pay over 1000 euro a month for, i take it that you are on the gravy train too!!

Survival of the fittest no longer applies.
In olden days a man could reap rewards based upon effort but now everyman get the same reward regardless of effort.
Now you will be lambasted for even questioning how somehow a person that pays a little gets the same as you.

MagicMarker

crimebuster wrote: »

ah beats being a scrounger

lol, keep telling yourself that. I'm sure given the same choice again of paying your mortgage and pissing away thousands of euro or paying a few euro a week for the same house, you'd choose the mortgage. Because it ''beats being a scrounger''. :rolleyes:

kildare.17hmr

Zamboni wrote: »

Survival of the fittest no longer applies.
In olden days a man could reap rewards based upon effort but now everyman get the same reward regardless of effort.
Now you will be lambasted for even questioning how somehow a person that pays a little gets the same as you.

and is that not much better than having kids brought up in complete poverty

worry about yourselves not anyone else

OwaynOTT

The ignorance of some people.
Just because someone is on the dole doesn't make them a scrounger, lazy or any less of a person.
There is some among them who are bad apples but there is probably more bad apples out there that are not on the dole.

People who claim social benefits in this country are getting an unfair bad reputation. Joan Burton really makes them out to be a bunch of no good nicks.

Paying a 1000 euro on a cardboard cut out house on an soulless estate is not summit people should be made aspire to.

bubbuz

crimebuster wrote: »

there 120 euro is hard to pay, come out of the fog.

Wake up and stop being so nasty....... My wife died 2 years ago, I had to give up work to be there for my two young daughters as we have NO ONE, we lost everything and im struggling to see us through the winter let alone xmas on 160 euro a week out of which 35 goes to rent, YES that 140 a month is crippling to me, id swap your poxy 1000 euro a month mortgage for my life back and to see my girls smile again..... Oh and yes im on the social housing list........THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN................ HAPPY CHRISTMAS.

Zamboni

Yay let's all thank the random emotive post.

Zamboni

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

and is that not much better than having kids brought up in complete poverty

There is nothing wrong with social housing to help those in genuine need but surely a citizen who has paid taxes, and put in years of work should have better accomodation than a citizen who doesn't work or pay taxes?

MagicMarker

Zamboni wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with social housing to help those in genuine need but surely a citizen who has paid taxes, and put in years of work should have better accomodation than a citizen who doesn't work or pay taxes?

You realise not everyone in social housing is a 'scrounger'? The majority of them also pay taxes and put in years of work.

Zamboni

MagicMarker wrote: »

You realise not everyone in social housing is a 'scrounger'? The majority of them also pay taxes and put in years of work.

Of course I realise that but do they really need to be in the same level of accomodation?
Because by doing so, we remove one of the incentives to work and have a career.

crimebuster

so who pays the new house tax of 100 euro a year for these social house??

kildare.17hmr

Zamboni wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with social housing to help those in genuine need but surely a citizen who has paid taxes, and put in years of work should have better accomodation than a citizen who doesn't work or pay taxes?

take the post above from bubuz as an example, no fault of his own finds himself in this situation and had no choice to quit his job. Why does he and his family not deserve a nice house? Alot of people now in this situation its not their fault, alot have worked all their lives and lost their job. Most estates have social housing.

kildare.17hmr

crimebuster wrote: »

so who pays the new house tax of 100 euro a year for these social house??

the home owner and it is up to them to try get it back from tenants the same as private rent id imagine

MagicMarker

Zamboni wrote: »

Of course I realise that but do they really need to be in the same level of accomodation?
Because by doing so, we remove one of the incentives to work and have a career.

Great stuff.

While we're at it we can provide a lower level of healthcare for them, and a shít schools for their kids.

crimebuster

if less people spunged off of the country we would have a better health care system and school system.

Zamboni

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

take the post above from bubuz as an example, no fault of his own finds himself in this situation and had no choice to quit his job. Why does he and his family not deserve a nice house? Alot of people now in this situation its not their fault, alot have worked all their lives and lost their job. Most estates have social housing.

Why does bubuz deserve a nice house exactly?
I feel for him and his family and if it is genuinely assessed that he can't work he deserves assistance by the state.
And should rightly be funded by the taxpayer.
But a 'nice house'? The only people who deserve a nice house are the people who put the graft in and earned one.

crimebuster

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

the home owner and it is up to them to try get it back from tenants the same as private rent id imagine

so that means that they dont pay the new tax either, sur ill maintain their garden during the summer for them aswell

ebixa82

Zamboni wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with social housing to help those in genuine need but surely a citizen who has paid taxes, and put in years of work should have better accomodation than a citizen who doesn't work or pay taxes?

It is clear that the recession has created a whole new section of people dependent on social housing and welfare.

It was pretty simple during the boom. Because there was so much work out there the general public could be divided into two classes:

1) Those who were willing to work:
-Upper, Middle and Working class

2) Those who were happy to live and scrounge off the state

Now, unfortunately a significant number of those that were in (1) find themselves dependent on the state and are being treated the same as those in (2) irrespective of how much income tax they paid. This is pretty unjust.

There are plenty of hard working people, who have paid tens upon tens, if not hundreds of 1,000s in taxes over the course of their working life. Should these be entitled to more than the scroungers? Of course!

However, it would be impossible to create a two tiered system of social welfare housing. If, for example, you only allowed the scroungers into older, poorer quality estates these would soon turn into ghettoes, destroyed by crime and drugs. And that would create a whole new set of problems for society.

kildare.17hmr

Zamboni wrote: »

Of course I realise that but do they really need to be in the same level of accomodation?
Because by doing so, we remove one of the incentives to work and have a career.

familys are put in accommodation that is suitable, ie 3/4 kids and 2 adults they need a big house. I

if that is taking away anyone's incentive to work or have a career they have the wrong attitude to begin with.

MagicMarker

Look, these were meant to be affordable housing, obviously no one can afford to buy them so it's either let them sit there empty of give them to people who need them while getting some kind of income for them.

Besides, somehow I don't think the OP bought a 4 bed semi in Dalkey. Just because he's a private owner doesn't mean his estate his some kind of utopia.

kildare.17hmr

crimebuster wrote: »

so that means that they dont pay the new tax either, sur ill maintain their garden during the summer for them aswell

do ya know what im bowing out of this thread because i really could not be bothered listening to your and a few others ****e talk anymore.
I really hope you dont find yourself in a situation where you need help from the social, im sure the fall would really hurt

Raskolnikov

MagicMarker wrote: »

some social housing dotted around the estate isn't going to make much of a difference.

It might not make much of a difference to you, but a lot of people will simply run a mile if there is any decent amount of social housing in an estate.

A friend of mine is in a similar situation, living in a new estate where Affordable Housing has turned to Social Housing. Within a week, just about every house in the row had a satellite dish hanging off it :pac:

Crazy Horse 6

crimebuster wrote: »

ah beats being a scrounger

You do realise people in social housing have jobs right.

Zamboni

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

familys are put in accommodation that is suitable, ie 3/4 kids and 2 adults they need a big house. I

if that is taking away anyone's incentive to work or have a career they have the wrong attitude to begin with.

Nonsense.

There are familys living in plush council housing in South Dublin properties whilst many a taxpayer is living in crap rented accomodation working their asses off to pay the taxes to provide for these familys.

The problem with the Irish population is we have become a bunch of 'entitled' morons where the people who contribute to society are less equal than those who take.
Where is the incentive to work when the default housing/income limit is roughly the same as if you don't work?

MagicMarker

Zamboni wrote: »

Nonsense.

There are familys living in plush council housing in South Dublin properties whilst many a taxpayer is living in crap rented accomodation working their asses off to pay the taxes to provide for these familys.

The problem with the Irish population is we have become a bunch of 'entitled' morons where the people who contribute to society are less equal than those who take.
Where is the incentive to work when the default housing/income limit is roughly the same as if you don't work?

Once again you're ignoring the fact that most of these people DO work.

Zamboni

MagicMarker wrote: »

Once again you're ignoring the fact that most of these people DO work.

No I am not.
But if they are working they clearly don't earn enough to be in the same level of acommodation as somebody who earns more than them.

Jesus Christ will we start giving every student 500 points in their Leaving Cert too?
We've clearly swapped work ethic for entitled ethic.

bubbuz

Zamboni wrote: »

Why does bubuz deserve a nice house exactly?
I feel for him and his family and if it is genuinely assessed that he can't work he deserves assistance by the state.
And should rightly be funded by the taxpayer.
But a 'nice house'? The only people who deserve a nice house are the people who put the graft in and earned one.

I never said I deserved a nice house, was just putting my point across that not everyone in social housing are scroungers, I worked and paid taxes since the age of 16 and used to run a business employing 8 people and would give my right arm to be back working.... never claimed a penny till my run of bad luck. I just think people should open their eyes a bit more and realise that there are many people out there who HATE relying on government handouts.

Zamboni

bubbuz wrote: »

I never said I deserved a nice house, was just putting my point across that not everyone in social housing are scroungers, I worked and paid taxes since the age of 16 and used to run a business employing 8 people and would give my right arm to be back working.... never claimed a penny till my run of bad luck.

I never said you did bubbuz.
Some socialist from Kildare said that.
I hope things work out for you.

Aenaes

On the subject of the 3 cars in your estate, your local authority has the power to have them removed and be scrapped. This applies if they are not taxed or considered to be hazardous waste (scrap metal).

MagicMarker

Zamboni wrote: »

No I am not.
But if they are working they clearly don't earn enough to be in the same level of acommodation as somebody who earns more than them.

Jesus Christ will we start giving every student 500 points in their Leaving Cert too?
We've clearly swapped work ethic for entitled ethic.

Define work ethic? Does someone who sits at a desk 9 hours a day for 60k a year have a better work ethic than someone who cleans the office for 9 hours a day for 20k a year?

The only one oozing self-entitlement here is you with your continued insinuation that people in social housing lack work ethic, don't work and are generally lazy layabouts who contribute nothing to society.

Zamboni

MagicMarker wrote: »

Define work ethic? Does someone who sits at a desk 9 hours a day for 60k a year have a better work ethic than someone who cleans the office for 9 hours a day for 20k a year? .

In your example, who should have better accomodation?