MMA - What is it involve

SirDelboy18

What does it involve to take up MMA? Are most people doing it extremely strong? Training is intensive I'd presume? Would you want to be strong before starting? Etc, etc. If you are involved then I'd love to hear everything really.

Love responses. Thanks.

squod

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1137

MMA has it's own forum. You could ask one of the posters there about specific training.

Hanley

Technique & skill > strength

You could go a long time before strength becomes the limiting factor in your ability to fight.

SirDelboy18

Typo in the title. Apologies.

Clive

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

What does it involve to take up MMA? Are most people doing it extremely strong? Training is intensive I'd presume? Would you want to be strong before starting? Etc, etc. If you are involved then I'd love to hear everything really.

Love responses. Thanks.

No, you don't need to be strong or fit before starting. The training intersity will depend on the level of people involved. A class of day one beginners will be training differently to seasoned fighters in the run up to a bout.

Most MMA gyms have beginners classes or similar - your best bet is to pop along and try one out, or even just watch if you don't feel like jumping straight in.

GregoryD

being strong to start with would help for sure but i am 100% certain that other qualities are more important like:

- your genetics
- your body health level (many people have defects even they dont know)
- your motivation is super important, because trainings will make you burn

the drifter

GregoryD wrote: »

being strong to start with would help for sure but i am 100% certain that other qualities are more important like:

- your genetics
- your body health level (many people have defects even they dont know)
- your motivation is super important, because trainings will make you burn

you what now?

Barry.Oglesby

GregoryD wrote: »

being strong to start with would help for sure but i am 100% certain that other qualities are more important like:

- your genetics
- your body health level (many people have defects even they dont know)
- your motivation is super important, because trainings will make you burn

None of these things are at all important.

The important things are:
You enjoy the training
You have a good coach/welcoming club
Supportive environment
Safe trainin

And a load of other things. Not everyone is in the game to fight. Some just like to train for fun and fitness. Most clubs have a stream for both types of trainee- casual or competitive.

GregoryD

the drifter wrote: »

you what now?

Please speak English so that people can try to understand you. If you do not understand why genetics is important you are more than welcome to ask.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

None of these things are at all important

What you say is complete nonsense and it is very easy to prove that. If my indicators are not important then please name one very successful MMA champion who has:

- very bad genetics
- poor bones, defective skeleton, other structural problems
- runs away from training when it gets tough

Oh that's right - you can not name anybody because no such person exists. So please be kind enough to think before you criticise someone who actually did some thinking when posting.

And as for your comment about casual vs. serious MMA fights, the original poster did not specify which type he was. I assumed he was referring to proper MMA because if he wants to just fool around then he does not need to ask advice - that was my assumption. If my assumption was wrong, my post is still correct because it correctly answers the question the way it was posted here by the OP.

Barry.Oglesby

yeah what would I know.

Hanley

GregoryD wrote: »

Please speak English so that people can try to understand you. If you do not understand why genetics is important you are more than welcome to ask.




What you say is complete nonsense and it is very easy to prove that. If my indicators are not important then please name one very successful MMA champion who has:

- very bad genetics
- poor bones, defective skeleton, other structural problems
- runs away from training when it gets tough

Oh that's right - you can not name anybody because no such person exists. So please be kind enough to think before you criticise someone who actually did some thinking when posting.

And as for your comment about casual vs. serious MMA fights, the original poster did not specify which type he was. I assumed he was referring to proper MMA because if he wants to just fool around then he does not need to ask advice - that was my assumption. If my assumption was wrong, my post is still correct because it correctly answers the question the way it was posted here by the OP.

Excellent. Now that the xfactor is over, I needed some entertainment.

Burkatron

Hanley wrote: »

Excellent. Now that the xfactor is over, I needed some entertainment.

This will bridge the gap nicely before Tallafornia is inflicted on me!!!

dave80

GregoryD wrote: »

Please speak English so that people can try to understand you. If you do not understand why genetics is important you are more than welcome to ask.




What you say is complete nonsense and it is very easy to prove that. If my indicators are not important then please name one very successful MMA champion who has:

- very bad genetics
- poor bones, defective skeleton, other structural problems
- runs away from training when it gets tough

Oh that's right - you can not name anybody because no such person exists. So please be kind enough to think before you criticise someone who actually did some thinking when posting.

And as for your comment about casual vs. serious MMA fights, the original poster did not specify which type he was. I assumed he was referring to proper MMA because if he wants to just fool around then he does not need to ask advice - that was my assumption. If my assumption was wrong, my post is still correct because it correctly answers the question the way it was posted here by the OP.

tim sylvia got pretty sh*te genetics, tat guy wit one hand Nick Newell is doin ok too

Hanley

This is just another classic case of the fitness forum closing ranks and jumping down the new posters throat. You should all be disgusted with yourself.

Burkatron

dave80 wrote: »

tim sylvia got pretty sh*te genetics, tat guy wit one hand Nick Newell is doin ok too

Roy Nelson, Cabbage Carera (sp), Tank Abbot...They aren't/weren't champs but fought in the biggest shows on the planet. Genetic freaks the lot of them :P

Barry.Oglesby

This guy has obviously missed the boat too. Talking about genetics is so 2008. It's all about 10,000 hours these days.

Inspector Coptoor

Trey Tellegman doesnt have one of his pecs.

10,000 hours is so Dan John from 2009......

I'm thinking of taking jiu jitsu classes but am quite apprehensive about taking the plunge! anyone have any advice for me? I'm mainly interested in the competition and fitness aspect of it althought i would watch quite a lot of mma and have very limited knowledge about whats going on on the ground! Is it a hard thing to take up and is it a beginner friendly sport?

Hanley

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm thinking of taking jiu jitsu classes but am quite apprehensive about taking the plunge! anyone have any advice for me? I'm mainly interested in the competition and fitness aspect of it althought i would watch quite a lot of mma and have very limited knowledge about whats going on on the ground! Is it a hard thing to take up and is it a beginner friendly sport?

One of the best things I ever did. Do it. If you're anywhere close to Barry's (who posted above) gym in Glasnevin go train under him.

deadlybuzzman

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm thinking of taking jiu jitsu classes but am quite apprehensive about taking the plunge! anyone have any advice for me? I'm mainly interested in the competition and fitness aspect of it althought i would watch quite a lot of mma and have very limited knowledge about whats going on on the ground! Is it a hard thing to take up and is it a beginner friendly sport?

absolutely no need to be apprehensive at all-its great craic. if theres a class for beginners in particular available even better as everyone around you is clueless too and you get to start from the very begining and instruction would be that bit slower too.
Even if there isnt its still grand as everyone had to start somewhere and most people will be happy to help you as you go.
I still remember going to my first class, seeing everyone in Gis grappling and thinking, DEADLY!

Mellor

GregoryD wrote:

Please speak English so that people can try to understand you. If you do not understand why genetics is important you are more than welcome to ask.

Ok, i'll bite.

How exactly is genetics the most important aspect when it comes to MMA.
Specifically, how is genetics more important than strength and skill.

Is it an advantage, sure of course. Jones' reach is a big plus for him. But its his ability and stenght that wins matches.

Marcus Davis had pretty poor reach, bad genetics obviously.
Many fighters are average in that department, they are successful as they spend years training at something they enjoyed.

GregoryD

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

This guy has obviously missed the boat too. Talking about genetics is so 2008. It's all about 10,000 hours these days.

Mellor wrote: »

Ok, i'll bite.
How exactly is genetics the most important aspect when it comes to MMA.
Specifically, how is genetics more important than strength and skill.

So for those people who have difficulties in reading English I highlight again that I wrote down 3 factors which based on my knowledge and experience were the most important for the OP question. I did not say that one of those factors is more important than another.

The 3 factors I wrote were:
- genetics
- body health level (defects/structural issues)
- motivation

Motivation is the factor which results in the hard work and many hours of training. Body health level gives the permission to achieve the highest levels. Genetics gives a huge advantage.

Next, "talking about genetics is so 2008" is a very uneducated comment, because genetics was, is and will be extremely important as long as the human species remain biological creatures. If you look at genetics as an advantage/disadvantage factor - that's completely fine. Nowhere did I say that it makes or breaks the person. Having a huge advantage factor - nobody can dispute - is a major important factor for MMA fighters as well as any other sport.

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You have clearly not spent time thinking about it and you are just looking to bash another forum member.

My "job" of answering the OP question is done and I hope he is satisfied.

columok

GregoryD wrote: »

So for those people who have difficulties in reading English I highlight again that I wrote down 3 factors which based on my knowledge and experience were the most important for the OP question. I did not say that one of those factors is more important than another.

The 3 factors I wrote were:
- genetics
- body health level (defects/structural issues)
- motivation

Motivation is the factor which results in the hard work and many hours of training. Body health level gives the permission to achieve the highest levels. Genetics gives a huge advantage.

Next, "talking about genetics is so 2008" is a very uneducated comment, because genetics was, is and will be extremely important as long as the human species remain biological creatures. If you look at genetics as an advantage/disadvantage factor - that's completely fine. Nowhere did I say that it makes or breaks the person. Having a huge advantage factor - nobody can dispute - is a major important factor for MMA fighters as well as any other sport.

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You have clearly not spent time thinking about it and you are just looking to bash another forum member.

My "job" of answering the OP question is done and I hope he is satisfied.

Hey Gregory.

Presumably you're an MMA coach or run a gym based on your posts to date.

In any forum post about someone taking up MMA the assumption should always be that they, like 95% of trainees, are doing it for fun/fitness. Rarely should genetics come into the discussion unless they are specifically referring to their prospects of making it to the top. The factors that Barry outlined are more accurate for a prospective trainee -given that he meets and coaches a whole bunch of said trainees every week. In Ireland genetics by and large is not a factor tbh. A better marker would be age and training history.

But by all means continue to classify his opinion as "completely uneducated" and claim he has "clearly not spent time thinking about it". Nice!

Burkatron

So for those people who have difficulties in reading English I highlight again that I wrote down 3 factors which based on my knowledge and experience were the most important for the OP question. I did not say that one of those factors is more important than another.

The 3 factors I wrote were:
- genetics
- body health level (defects/structural issues)
- motivation

Selectively quoting yourself I see!

This is what you wrote 1st if you can't remember that far back:

GregoryD wrote: »

being strong to start with would help for sure but i am 100% certain that other qualities are more important like:

- your genetics
- your body health level (many people have defects even they dont know)
- your motivation is super important, because trainings will make you burn

So if his genetics aren't that of a champs he shouldn't take up MMA or Bjj?
You shouldn't take up MMA/BJJ because you MAY have defects you don't know about?

Next, "talking about genetics is so 2008" is a very uneducated comment, because genetics was, is and will be extremely important as long as the human species remain biological creatures.

Wow, you need to invest in one of These

My "job" of answering the OP question is done and I hope he is satisfied.

You gave your opinion which people as knowledgeable (I'm not putting myself in this category btw)if not more knowledgeable on the matter disagreed with you on & you became hostile, I can't see how the OP will be satisfied with you! I hope you're not billing him for your "job" of answering him!

GregoryD

columok wrote: »

Hey Gregory.

Presumably you're an MMA coach or run a gym based on your posts to date.

In any forum post about someone taking up MMA the assumption should always be that they, like 95% of trainees, are doing it for fun/fitness. Rarely should genetics come into the discussion unless they are specifically referring to their prospects of making it to the top. The factors that Barry outlined are more accurate for a prospective trainee -given that he meets and coaches a whole bunch of said trainees every week. In Ireland genetics by and large is not a factor tbh. A better marker would be age and training history.

But by all means continue to classify his opinion as "completely uneducated" and claim he has "clearly not spent time thinking about it". Nice!

Hi columok,
The only person who criticised me without insulting. Thank you! I fully accept your criticism.

Burkatron wrote:

Re:

- No selective quoting was done. I don't know what's wrong with you. Looks like you just want to attack me for the sake of attacking.

- I said the factors which are important for a champ. I never suggested him to take or not to take up MMA. You seem to have reading problems.

- Those "more knowledgeable" people did not nicely disagree with me like I appreciated the criticism of Columok. They did it in a rude way and therefore I replied in a defensive way. Based on the way the question was phrased my answer is accurate. If other people make other assumptions, i.e. for casual for fun MMA and not serious, then naturally the answer is different.

Barry.Oglesby

I always find it's really funny the way people only discover they have superior genetics when they start training really hard and consistently.

Mellor

GregoryD wrote: »

- No selective quoting was done. I don't know what's wrong with you. Looks like you just want to attack me for the sake of attacking.

- I said the factors which are important for a champ. I never suggested him to take or not to take up MMA. You seem to have reading problems.

- Those "more knowledgeable" people did not nicely disagree with me like I appreciated the criticism of Columok. They did it in a rude way and therefore I replied in a defensive way. Based on the way the question was phrased my answer is accurate. If other people make other assumptions, i.e. for casual for fun MMA and not serious, then naturally the answer is different.

How exactly was I rude to you? I politely asked you to clarify your post regarding your comment on genetics. You did say that genetics, health and motivation were more important than other areas. I asked regarding genetics alone as I believe the other two are important in all aspects of life.

I fail to see how I was insulting. I actually find it strange that you would even say that after your comments about understanding English directed at me and others.

The reason I asked about genetics is because I disagree. They are if course often (but not always) the deciding factor in the elite. But for the overwhelming majority they are not an issue. Importantly, it's not something that can be changed so calling it a factor is pointless. Until we can fully decode a persons genomes sequence at birth, considering genetics a factor is futile.

GregoryD

Mellor wrote: »

How exactly was I rude to you? I politely asked you to clarify your post regarding your comment on genetics. You did say that genetics, health and motivation were more important than other areas. I asked regarding genetics alone as I believe the other two are important in all aspects of life.

I fail to see how I was insulting. I actually find it strange that you would even say that after your comments about understanding English directed at me and others.

The reason I asked about genetics is because I disagree. They are if course often (but not always) the deciding factor in the elite. But for the overwhelming majority they are not an issue. Importantly, it's not something that can be changed so calling it a factor is pointless. Until we can fully decode a persons genomes sequence at birth, considering genetics a factor is futile.

Mellor let's be honest please. Do not generalize. When drifter told me "you what now?" - do you consider that proper English or nice attitude?
What about your comment "Ok, I'll bite" - I was doing my best to answer the OP, I did not come here for a fight, what meaning is there to "bite" or argue for the sake of arguing? What about you selecting only part of what I said and modifying it to something I did not say (I did not say genetics is more or less important) and then blaming me for saying read English properly.

Let's be very honest please. A nice person would come and say, Greg, those factors you highlighted may be important specifically for champion/elite athletes, but for casual fighters those are not important.

THAT would be a nice criticism to which I would bow and NOT:

"you what now?"
"Ok, I'll bite"
"None of these things are at all important"
"This guy has obviously missed the boat"

Finally its completely ok that you disagree and have a different opinion. But same way I am also allowed to have an opinion and I should not be bashed for it as I have formulated it nicely, according to facts and without any insults.

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I understand now that all of you are talking about casual fooling around MMA and I competely agree with all the points you made concerning it. Please stop bashing me for giving information concerning serious MMA noting that OP never specified which type of MMA he meant.

Thank you, have a nice day everyone and please be nicer.

Mellor

GregoryD wrote: »

Mellor let's be honest please. Do not generalize. When drifter told me "you what now?" - do you consider that proper English or nice attitude?
What about your comment "Ok, I'll bite" - I was doing my best to answer the OP, I did not come here for a fight, what meaning is there to "bite" or argue for the sake of arguing? What about you selecting only part of what I said and modifying it to something I did not say (I did not say genetics is more or less important) and then blaming me for saying read English properly.

Let's be very honest please. A nice person would come and say, Greg, those factors you highlighted may be important specifically for champion/elite athletes, but for casual fighters those are not important.

THAT would be a nice criticism to which I would bow and NOT:

"you what now?"
"Ok, I'll bite"
"None of these things are at all important"
"This guy has obviously missed the boat"

Finally its completely ok that you disagree and have a different opinion. But same way I am also allowed to have an opinion and I should not be bashed for it as I have formulated it nicely, according to facts and without any insults.

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I understand now that all of you are talking about casual fooling around MMA and I competely agree with all the points you made concerning it. Please stop bashing me for giving information concerning serious MMA noting that OP never specified which type of MMA he meant.

Thank you, have a nice day everyone and please be nicer.

I'm honestly not sure if you are serious?
How are anyone else's comments anything to do with me.
I'll bite was in reference to the fact that you said if somebody didn't understand your point then they should ask, I've asked and you have yet to give an explaination.
Where did I bash or throw insults at you. The comments are all there, I haven't a clue what comments you ate talking about. I certainly didn't say read English properly, in fact I think that was you who said something to that effect.

I didn't change anything you said.

GregoryD wrote: »

being strong to start with would help for sure but i am 100% certain that other qualities are more important like:

- your genetics
- your body health level (many people have defects even they dont know)
- your motivation is super important, because trainings will make you burn

You quite clearly said that genetics is more important than strength. Which is what I questioned.

I don't believe genetics is an important factor. I don't believe strength is a prerequisite either, but it's more readily measured and the impact is immediate.
I also don't believe weather somebody's goal is casual or competitive has an impact on how they approach the sport in the beginning.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just as others are entitled to question it. Especially when you invite the question.

Da Za

Someone fell out of the wrong side of the bed this morning!