stocking up at tesco's

bonniebede

Today I decided to see how much it would cost to buy enough food to eat for a year at Tesco's. I used the lds manual guides and the storage calculator here http://lds.about.com/library/bl/faq/blcalculator.htm note that the milk allowance has been dropped to a smaller quantity. I also added enough tinned meat fish for 100 grams per day, and vitamin tabs for the year, I have not included spices, or things like chocolate that could make this more interesting. I substited dilutable high juice drinks for fruit powder and added the equivalent weight in sugar as well. No tinned veg or fruit either on this list, i suppose a bit of foraging might be going on..

Some of these items would have to be used up ant rotated annually, but some would have shelf life of a few years, also the wateris not enough for a year but it does include milton which can be used to purify water.

I have been thinking it would cost thousands and thousands to provide this sort of cushion, so i logged it all into Tescos online grocewry shopper. Using all the cheap tesco own brands (won't be complaining if its a choice of that or nothing) it added up to an amazing...

618.23 euros.:D

Of course stage 2 is what happens at the end of that year...seeds, gardening tools, skills, canning supplies etc etc. But it could be a start.
And I could probably afford to put this up over the course of a year. Meaning in the first month i would have enough for me for a month, or two of us for two weeks and so on. Mounting security as time goes on.

Lastly I guess you could get this alot cheaper wholsale, however the convenience of small scale packages that can be rotated has to be thought of too.

THats it for now.

BTW it was just a thought exercise. but i'd love to see the face of the guy who has to deliver it....at a mere 4.50 extra.:)

kildare.17hmr

bonniebede wrote: »

Today I decided to see how much it would cost to buy enough food to eat for a year at Tesco's. I used the lds manual guides and the storage calculator here http://lds.about.com/library/bl/faq/blcalculator.htm note that the milk allowance has been dropped to a smaller quantity. I also added enough tinned meat fish for 100 grams per day, and vitamin tabs for the year, I have not included spices, or things like chocolate that could make this more interesting. I substited dilutable high juice drinks for fruit powder and added the equivalent weight in sugar as well. No tinned veg or fruit either on this list, i suppose a bit of foraging might be going on..

Some of these items would have to be used up ant rotated annually, but some would have shelf life of a few years, also the wateris not enough for a year but it does include milton which can be used to purify water.

I have been thinking it would cost thousands and thousands to provide this sort of cushion, so i logged it all into Tescos online grocewry shopper. Using all the cheap tesco own brands (won't be complaining if its a choice of that or nothing) it added up to an amazing...

618.23 euros.:D

Of course stage 2 is what happens at the end of that year...seeds, gardening tools, skills, canning supplies etc etc. But it could be a start.
And I could probably afford to put this up over the course of a year. Meaning in the first month i would have enough for me for a month, or two of us for two weeks and so on. Mounting security as time goes on.

Lastly I guess you could get this alot cheaper wholsale, however the convenience of small scale packages that can be rotated has to be thought of too.

THats it for now.

BTW it was just a thought exercise. but i'd love to see the face of the guy who has to deliver it....at a mere 4.50 extra.:)

Great first post!

how many people is that list for and have you got the details of what was exactly on it? would be interested in reading it and im sure the others would too.

1 thing, you said

Of course stage 2 is what happens at the end of that year...seeds, gardening tools, skills, canning supplies etc etc.

This should all be started asap and not left till the end of the first year

eth0

I wonder how much cheaper Aldi would be but then holesalers will be cheaper again. Do you sitll have the list?

kildare.17hmr

if it was tesco own brands id say the Price would be similar but id reckon alot of aldi or lidl stuff might be better.

crackcrack30

Is it recommended to eat fish everyday?. i'd put a fishing rod/line on your second stage list.

I'd be interested to see your list also....

Grizzly 45

Forget the rod and reel.You can improvise those.But plenty of line ,hooks of various sizes and swivels.Learn how to put together a trot line.Much better and more efficent.;)

Wonder would LIDL be any cheaper?Or if a bunch of us did a whole sale purchase?

bonniebede

Well the list is easy if you follow the link in the first post, it goes to this food calculator, you put in the number of adults and children and press calculate and hey presto it tells you what you need.

So i worked it out for 1 adult.

Its is based on the basic food list from the lds manual, and interesting book, and someone has already posted that on the post at the beginning with videos and things.

It goes into more detail and has a longer list than the basic that the calcultor uses, also it gives more refined factors, like difference between adult mand and woman, also it lists things like spices etc which would be all gravy, (if you pardon the pun) but not absolutely essential.
I mean I would rather have a bag of flour than a box of curry spice...

I basically followed the plan on the food calculator, except in grains i used all flour as no other real choices, Tesco haven't got around to unground wheat yet and the manual has dropped the amount of milk to 16 lbs so i followed that, as I am fairly intolerant of milk, though i do take it a bit.

THe meat and fish i added, then looked at what else was on the extras list in the manual and thought vitamins sounded pretty essential.

I have extracted the list from the shopping cart but not sure how to post it at the moment, will rummage around and see what i can do.

Doc Ruby

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Learn how to put together a trot line.Much better and more efficent.;)

Or even a gill net.
>_>

bonniebede

[QUOTE
1 thing, you saidThis should all be started asap and not left till the end of the first year[/QUOTE]

Yes indeed. The ultimate aim is to feed yourself from the land, well somebodies land.

So I think the most important skill is gardening, then trapping and fishing, with provision for canning and food drying.

So seeds and equipment for that are also on the cards.

But the food supply has to get me past
1. the time when there are lots of people still roaming around looking for food. Might have to hide out for a while before you can garden. of course the ones who aren't prepared will cease to be around while i'm still eating tesco value tuna.

2. THe time it takes to plant a garden from scratch and get it productive. A minimum of one year to harvest.

3. Allowing for wild foraging and what i might already have in the garden, there is still the possibility that a bad or small first harvest will only supplement the stored food not replace it

4. whats already growing will have to be allowed to go to seed , its my emergency seed bank, so i need to make sure i gather enought seed from it for a full planting the following year, when its all i will have to eat.

bonniebede

what about lobster pots and that sort of stuff?

Given we are on an island, what do you think are the chances of getting a useful food amount from the sea?

bonniebede

had to break it in two half so i could upload it. item in left column, price and number of the items in the right column.

bonniebede

Since this thought experiment got me thinking, i realised it would be smart to look at what i eat at the moment. Because I eat low carb at the moment all the flour and beans and stuff are no use to me in ordinary times. So I am going to make a list of the things i eat which do store, and how much i eat so i can plan a rotation that keeps them in date, and start with that as my first stocked items.

My list so far

Vegetable oil
Tinned peaches
Tinned fish
Salt
Sugar (very little)
Spices, soya sauce, condiments, stock cubes
Nuts
Flax meal
Protein powder
Jars of pasta sauce
Peanut butter :P
Cheese. even though it would go off without a fridge quicker, it could be used first in an emergency.

Thats it. Not much to build a whole menu from, because i eat nearly entirely fresh veg and protein. Better plant a garden and get some rabbits hens and pigeons asap. Already got plenty of slugs (for the prospective chickens) and snails and nettles (for me):rolleyes:

Red Harvest

bonniebede wrote: »

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2. THe time it takes to plant a garden from scratch and get it productive. A minimum of one year to harvest.

Can't leave that unchallenged .

OK so it depends when you start, in the autumn and you'll have to go the winter without growing anything much, but if you started in the spring spuds (first earlies) will give you a crop from uncropped ground in less than 3 months + would be a traditional ground breaking crop (back breaking if you ask me).

For a GYO supply of veg one of the biggest problems is over winter storage.

but that might be taking a good thread off topic - anyone want to talk Grow Your Own veg in another thread?

Link for some good online growing basics http://www.allotment.org.uk/

krissovo

Great thread and a interesting concept, I will have a proper look later but my initial thoughts would be its lacking some flavoring items. Some strong sauces like tabasco, Worcester or soy would make usefull additions, it could also hand in hand with your other phase if you plant a herb garden. Its easy to grow bassil and chillies indoors and have rosemary & sage outside all year which will add some interest to your ingrediants at a minimum outlay.

Some other flavour items would be garlic, pepper and onion powder. Flavor is important as a major element of survival is morale.

Beans is one food item I am very weak on, in fact I must make it a new years resolution to work with beans a lot more and also store some.

I will make my own list for three months later.

Grizzly 45

bonniebede wrote: »

what about lobster pots and that sort of stuff?

Given we are on an island, what do you think are the chances of getting a useful food amount from the sea?

Unless you are on the coast,and have access to a decent boat...:pac:
Again you are looking at nets,long lines and what not to catch a decen t amount of fish.[Forget rod &reel sport fishing].Alot is seasonal as well [IE mackrel etc].

touts

Looking at the list there are a lot of bland tasteless stuff like dry beans and lentils. They will do the job but after a year starvation might come as a sweet release. Herbs and spices are essential even beyond the first year. There is a reason why some of the hottest dishes come from the poorest countries. It hides the flavour of whatever they managed to get to eat. But it is a great list of ideas.

I would add an unusual one to the list for the season. Christmas pudding. Most of the ones in the shops have best before dates of at least 18 months. Not many bread/cakes can say that. Might be expensive versus other stuff but a couple of those over the year could become a little slice of heaven in a world gone to hell.

But this thread goes a long way to answering the questions most first time visitors would have in relation to food ideas.

bonniebede

touts wrote: »

Looking at the list there are a lot of bland tasteless stuff like dry beans and lentils. ... Christmas pudding. .

totally agree about the need for spices and so on, love the idea of christmas pudding.

however it does bring to mind one major factor in food storage.

Crimbo pud is lucky to last 18 mminutes around me.

though it could be an incentive to find really hard to spot hiding places:rolleyes:

bonniebede

okay so now that i am thinking about planning, i have tried another approach.

DEsign a satisfying long storage goods menu for one week. multiply by 52. buy that stiuff.

After doing the 'stocking up at tescos' list i did think, what would i actually make with that stuff?

Especially as I eat low carb. I don't normally stock any flour, beans or sugar. None at all. And I am intolerant to milk.

but i know comw teotwawki i'll have to have the energy for for chopping wood and planting potatoes (presuming i had plkanted some wood and chopped the potatoes first). aargh.

I'll have a better shopping list soon.

It has to be

1. Cheap and easy to buy
2. maximise on the stuff i currently use so i can use and rotate
3. Minimise stuff I don't use. What has to be rotated out i will give away before it hits its ultimate date as part of my planned giving.
4. Be interesting enough not to cause appetite fatigue.
5. Be easy to prepare, using maybe a rocket stove.
6. be easy to split into weekly or monthly amounts so i can buy it slowly, also for ease of eat one, hide one, give one away.:)

bonniebede

I have decided to test drive two potential storage products, to see if i like them.
One was cheapest canned hotdogs in tesco. Didn't even get off the shelf. Mechanicallly recover meat? :eek: forget it.

so bought next cheapest, still nearly double price, tesco own brand.

Also tesco own brand corned beef, have some recipe ideas for that.

Wish me luck. If i don't post any results this week you can know that these foods should be avoided.:D

Lidl or aldi might have nicer cheap canned meats, its more of a continental european thing.

kildare.17hmr

the canned corned beef in lidl is not too bad and has a very long use by date

krissovo

Also tesco own brand corned beef, have some recipe ideas for that.

I once had nothing else but corned beef for 3 months for my main meals, its very versatile, my favorites are Hash, fritters, casserole and corned beef wellington

Bacon grill cans are another good product, lots of flavor and can be used in many ways similar to corned beef and it can fry in its own fat. Cut thinly its bacon, cut thickly its a bacon burger, makes great pasta bakes as well.

Didn't even get off the shelf. Mechanicallly recover meat? forget it.

If you think that is bad then mechanically separated meat will convert you to a Veggie:eek:

You should start getting into the mind set that you should waste nothing in survival. Mostly everything I catch and kill I pay my respects by using as much of the animal as possible.

kildare.17hmr

krissovo wrote: »

Mostly everything I catch and kill I pay my respects by using as much of the animal as possible.

same as, if im using a rabbit myself the dogs get everything i dont use, all innards, skin, lower legs and head. Same with pigeon, duck and so on. The only thing i dont use are foxes alto in a survival situation thats alot of meat :O

bonniebede

krissovo wrote: »

If you think that is bad then mechanically separated meat will convert you to a Veggie:eek:

You should start getting into the mind set that you should waste nothing in survival. QUOTE]

I was a veggie for about four years. Then i got religion and gave it up for Lent. Now i eat lots of meat.:D except fish on Fridays.

Totally agree about wasting nothing. But that's what concerns me now. Of course in a real survival situation i would eat anything and the can it came in. But I am looking for foods that I would eat now, so that I can have a years supply of them and know that I will rotate them out to keep them fresh. Stockpiling something I don't eat now means giving it away once it's shelf life is nearly finished, and that is a nett loss.

slowburner

krissovo wrote: »

I once had nothing else but corned beef for 3 months for my main meals, its very versatile, my favorites are Hash, fritters, casserole and corned beef wellington

Did you get fed up with the corned beef?

Hibrion

krissovo wrote: »

I once had nothing else but corned beef for 3 months for my main meals, its very versatile, my favorites are Hash, fritters, casserole and corned beef wellington

If you were a school kid in Britain during the reign of terror when Maggie Thatcher was PM, you would have had it for a lot more than three months :eek:

krissovo

slowburner wrote: »

Did you get fed up with the corned beef?

I did but I had no choice and was certainly sick of it, my next supply drop had 2 months of tinned salmon that made the corned beef taste like michelin star chefs had prepaired it.

Grizzly 45

Hibrion wrote: »

If you were a school kid in Britain during the reign of terror when Maggie Thatcher was PM, you would have had it for a lot more than three months :eek:

You had corned beef in school??:eek::eek:
All we got in school in Haughyite Ireland was over cooked chips in two month old grease,and burgers made out of some part of a cow that was not supposed to be fit for human consumption.:( One reason still to today why I drown my chips in ketchup,salt vinegar pepper.To hide the gank tase of rancid chip oil.:eek:

Hibrion

Not me, Grizz, but 80's British school food was dodgy corned beef and spam in any way shape or form they could think of: some people still have nightmares about the fritters.

bonniebede

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

You had corned beef in school??:eek::eek:
All we got in school in Haughyite Ireland was over cooked chips in two month old grease,and burgers made out of some part of a cow that was not supposed to be fit for human consumption.:( One reason still to today why I drown my chips in ketchup,salt vinegar pepper.To hide the gank tase of rancid chip oil.:eek:

you got food in school? luxury. The tesco hot dogs were much the same, fairly tastelesss but edible with a large squirt of ketchup, musstard and mayo.

Tabnabs

bonniebede wrote: »

you got food in school? luxury. The tesco hot dogs were much the same, fairly tastelesss but edible with a large squirt of ketchup, musstard and mayo.

+1

I think we should rename him The Rt Hon Grizzly 45 and refer to him as His Grace :pac:

bonniebede

Red Harvest wrote: »

Can't leave that unchallenged .

OK so it depends when you start, in the autumn and you'll have to go the winter without growing anything much, but if you started in the spring spuds (first earlies) will give you a crop from uncropped ground in less than 3 months + would be a traditional ground breaking crop (back breaking if you ask me).

For a GYO supply of veg one of the biggest problems is over winter storage.

but that might be taking a good thread off topic - anyone want to talk Grow Your Own veg in another thread?

Link for some good online growing basics http://www.allotment.org.uk/

you are right that it doesn't take a year to get a harvest but here is my thinking.

First of all what sort of disaster are you prepping for?
Most fiction scenarios (Day of the Triffids etc) use some plot mechanism to conveniently clear all the pople out of the way. Wake up one morning everyone dies, spend most of your time looking for people. Most realistic eotw scenarios won't be like that, Say collapse of the banking system, hyper inflation and general social mayhem...


There will be lots of people, who will pour out of the cities looking for food, and eat up any available crop in the countryside before they run out, turn to cannibalism, and disappear.

So no use counting a preplanted garden as food supply, it will be too visible and impossible to protect. it is only after the population dwindles thsat you can count on planting.

So figure 2 months to the point where people start dying of hunger, another 4 months as people start scouring the landscape, don't forget there is a lot of food growing in ireland, there's 2 cows for every human being, for goodness sake, and then maybe another two months for the planted food to be gone and even the survivors start to die.

At that stage, anyone left, and that will still be alot of people will either be already bugged out to a rural location, or will have realised they have to do that. In other words the marauders will have dwindled to the point where a survival community might be able to defend their plantings against them.

During all this time you will need to have a well hidden food store, as well as a store of seeds to begin again with. So then three months to start cropping in, once things are calmed down, and wild foraging is viable again because of less need to hide, that's my guesstimate.

Makes me think a year of food is pretty essential.

bonniebede

So here is part 2 or my stocking up at tesco's gig.

The plan is to buy food which lasts (tins, store cupboard items) with sufficient calories for a working man at tesco's.


Daily meal planner
Breakfast: Porridge with sugar and tinned fruit
Lunch: Bread with tinned fish/meat and jam; mug of soup
Dinner: Rice/Pasta with Curry/meatballs in tomato sauce
Dilutable orange/lemon squash
1 Multivitamin with iron tablet, 1 Vitamin C tablet.

The Calorie count is about 2425.

One important thing to note is that I have not included dried milk, as I am intolerant (to the milk, not to people, mostly:D) but it should be part of the plan normally, add to porridge and use in making bread. Nor does it include tea or coffee, because I don't drink them. Neither items would drive up the cost much.
It has a high calorie count because I presume in this scenario we will be working flat out to plant a survival garden, also maybe fishing, hunting and foraging.
The calories could be split between 2 people, giving just enough to survive on, a least for a while, especially if it is added to by what can be grown and gathered.
Most of the items have a shelf life well into 2013.
It could be made more varied by finding alternative tinned meals at the same sort of price, in lidl or aldi.
Also there are all sorts of extras one could add. like dried fruit.
THe attachment gives the shopping list, the meal plan and bread recipe, as well as a breakdown of calorie count.
There is no water included, I would plan for that separately. Nor are there necessities like toilet rolls, toiletries etc, but as these don't go off they are a different storage issue.

Would it be boring? Yes. Would it be better than eating the neighbours? Definitely.

bonniebede

Here is an idea for being able to afford to stockpile food.

1. If an item is something you usually use, just rotate them so you use them up before the sell by date.

However most of the food in my storage is not something i usually eat, becasue i eat mainly veg and meat/fish, all fresh, and no rice pasta or bread. But I do like these items so I know relying on them would not cause to much of a problem.

One way of managing the prepping is by taking some of the money you usually give to charity and using it to stockpile food. (charity begins at home).

Then about 2 or three months before it is out of date, donate the food to charity and replace it with more in date stuff.

The advantage is the food never gets wasted, becasue there really are people who would appreciate food to help feed their families, even the basic stuff in my storage.

krissovo

bonniebede good work and a nice food plan, I notice that it is for 1 month. How about for February you make a new menu with some variations. This way you would have a choice of 4 meals and do the same march you would have 6 variations. Also are tescos still doing 2 for 1 on potted herbs? I planted a load of these over christmas in pots and they are taking over. I got basil, rosemarry and sage.

For water as you are city based an investment in a lifesaver bottle would mean you could drink straight from the river. http://www.lifesaversystems.com/

I must spend some time doing a food plan, all I have is a attic with rice, pasta, tins, flour and sugar and no real organisation.

bonniebede

Thanks. I find potted herb plants from Tesco invariably die and go mouldy on me.
But i did plant some parsley and oregano from woodies that are still doing fine. Herbs are a good way to add a least a touch of real organinc food to some of this sludge in a tin stuff.

i like the idea of varying the menu, maybe lidl or aldi would be a good place to browse, and the parameters are no clearer to me.

Think I will be starting to stockpile this way, a little per week. If I could put by a month per month, then by the end of the year I would have reached my target of having a years food put by. And would have growing security month by month.:)

Thanks for the info on life saver, I definitely want one!!!

KrustyBurger

The lifesaver bottle is great but the cheapest comes in at £99 :eek:.

krissovo

KrustyBurger wrote: »

The lifesaver bottle is great but the cheapest comes in at £99 :eek:.

Its costly all right but it works out at 7 cent a liter for clean drinking water. Not that much in hindsight as Evian is 7 cent for 100ml.

bonniebede

krissovo wrote: »

Its costly all right but it works out at 7 cent a liter for clean drinking water. Not that much in hindsight as Evian is 7 cent for 100ml.

I also like the idea of the mobility of the bottle unit.
My main ideas for water are collection means like tarp, then filter (how? not sure ... sand something...) then boil...

But this thing could bridge the gap to a more permanent solution and cover for times of social unrest and widespread brigandage.

Doc Ruby

bonniebede wrote: »

My main ideas for water are collection means like tarp, then filter (how? not sure ... sand something...

Activated charcoal is what you want there, the normal stuff is no good. Basically filter out larger particles with cotton wool or something, then push it through the activated charcoal by gravity or pump, and then boil it. You should be pretty much good to go after that.

bonniebede

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Activated charcoal is what you want there, the normal stuff is no good. Basically filter out larger particles with cotton wool or something, then push it through the activated charcoal by gravity or pump, and then boil it. You should be pretty much good to go after that.

sounds a bit much for me. i was thinking more along the lines of a big barrel of sand and let rainwater drip through... like this...

http://www.ehow.com/how_5879997_make-rainwater-drinkable.html

I wouldn't trust that to do enough of a job, so I would plan to boil it as well.

bonniebede

Anyone rate the idea of a spare mobile for my get home bag?

was Thinking of something like this

http://shop.tescomobile.ie/phones/displayPhone.aspx?p=112

20 euros for the phone, stick a tenner on it, charge it up and switch it off.

also off course input all my emergency contact numbrs and breakdown assist.

I have a phone and car charger normally, but this could help if it is lost or stolen. or otherwise out of action.

Any cheaper way. or any other ideas?

colonel-yum-yum

bonniebede wrote: »

Anyone rate the idea of a spare mobile for my get home bag?

was Thinking of something like this

http://shop.tescomobile.ie/phones/displayPhone.aspx?p=112

20 euros for the phone, stick a tenner on it, charge it up and switch it off.

also off course input all my emergency contact numbrs and breakdown assist.

I have a phone and car charger normally, but this could help if it is lost or stolen. or otherwise out of action.

Any cheaper way. or any other ideas?

I have a very similar phone in my bag. The more basic the better as the battery will last ages in a pinch. Let mine run out and charge it up once every 6 months, but doubt it's even necessary.

The only difference is that mine currently has no sim in it. Still fine for calling for emergency numbers, but must stick a sim card in soon.

I also have a USB car adapter from the pound shop, a wall plug to usb adapter and one of these in my kit. Means I can charger most mobile phone types either in a house or car.

krissovo

bonniebede wrote: »

Anyone rate the idea of a spare mobile for my get home bag?

I have a old unlocked Ericsson T28 (worldwide) that I use, battery still lasts at least 10 days on a charge switched on and its a quality build. The modern cheap phones I would consider disposable and not rely on them as I would this trusty phone. It works in cold, heat or rain and no fancy functions, the radio reception beats my current iphone and works in places in Kerry no other (modern) phone can.

Nokia 5110's would be another phone in a similar category for build quality, durability, battery life and reliability but are quite heavy.

I have a old a old UK cellnet sim card in the phone which is a "Pay up front for life" contract with free text and accumulating 50 minutes and 50 texts per month so topping up regularly is not a issue and roaming doesn't cost more in any country. Its worthwhile trying to get a working old sim card on a similar tariff so you know it will work when you want to. O2 have been trying for years to get me to change tariff as I have over 5000 minutes in credit to use and 6000 text's. I dont think I will ever pay another bill on this phone.

colonel-yum-yum

Off topic from Tesco, but in relation to the long lasting mobile phone to keep, there's a very interesting one coming out supposedly this year.
It runs off a single AA battery, will keep it's charge when turned of for up to 15 years and a single battery will give up to 10 hours talk time!
http://www.springwise.com/telecom_mobile/mobile-phone-runs-single-aa-battery/

evilmonkee

Only just thought of this because I got some today for my bag. Tesco sell toothbrushes @ 79c for 3 or 4 (I bought the 2 for 50c) and toothpaste for 49c too . Most likely not as good as your usual sensodine and tooth-gum-tongue-cheek-magic toothbrush but pretty cheap and will do great for back up (also great for cleaning)

bonniebede

Enough calories for three days of walking to bug out location - my 72 hour rations for bug out pack.

no. item calorie total kcals
3 Rice creamed tin 1050 1050
3 pineapple tin 1125 2175
1 tesco c creams 2000 4175
1 peanuts 2440 6615

All items will last a long time, so no need to replace too often.

Nothing there that has to be cooked, or heated, or have hot water added to, so totally convenient.

And the cost....Euro 4.33.

Think I will stock one in the car, one in bob for each family member.


Any other ideas for bob 72 hour food rations? I know it could be nice to have hot food, but it is not necessary I think.

baords dyslexic

bonniebede wrote: »

.....
I know it could be nice to have hot food, but it is not necessary I think.

Its all in the mind and most of us feel a whole lot better after a hot meal.

When we have a flood home here (not that uncommon when the river breaks its banks) we have a decent hot meal and at least one bottle of wine, we could eat a cold tin of beans and and a cold tin of creamed rice pudding but lets just say its not the same :P

forgot to mention attire for dinner on such occaions is wellies - de rigueur

Stereomaniac

Where's that! I'd love to come sometime!

baords dyslexic

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Where's that! I'd love to come sometime!

I won't say but we are a "site of special local interest" and when there's a lot of rain and or a high tide all the locals pop around to see how bad it is but nornally also help give us a hand putting stuff up out of the way while telling us how bad its been in the past and how that it sometimes floods so bad it can be 4ft deep

But my point was really that hot meals are a good idea just for morale.

bonniebede

baords dyslexic wrote: »

I won't say but we are a "site of special local interest" and when there's a lot of rain and or a high tide all the locals pop around to see how bad it is but nornally also help give us a hand putting stuff up out of the way while telling us how bad its been in the past and how that it sometimes floods so bad it can be 4ft deep

But my point was really that hot meals are a good idea just for morale.

I do see that point, but my thinking is my bob is to get me out to rural bug in location in three days walking, presuming that stopping to camp might raise ones profile too much. I'm reckoning if its safe to light a stove, it will still be safe enough to stop in a pub.

Of course if you are offering to cook, I could just concentrate on being well dressed....

Doc Ruby

bonniebede wrote: »

no. item calorie total kcals
3 Rice creamed tin 1050 1050
3 pineapple tin 1125 2175
1 tesco c creams 2000 4175
1 peanuts 2440 6615

I might adjust the list a bit reduce the amount of sugary stuff. The body needs vitamins and minerals as well as calories, these things do have a high calorific content but the other effects need to be considered.

What happens is a sugar high first, which is like drinking a pot of espresso, causing a buzz, shaking hands, and concentration problems, then a sugar crash, which causes fatigue, nausea, weakness and hunger. Generally I'd advise keeping sugary or sweet processed snacks out of emergency supplies entirely except for a few hard sweets or small bits of chocolate which serve as a morale booster.

It might be a good idea to supplement the list with vitamin pills, jerky, maybe a few power bars, pemmican is really ideal for something like this and not that hard to make. Dry goods are preferable to tinned goods since they don't damage and are lighter.