Are you being farmed?

PureClaas

Do you think your are or are not part of the farm??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXXik6XjeVs

humanji

Seems like a terrible attempt at simplifying civilisation in an effort to make it seem more ominous. And the half-assed attempts at injecting "humour" into it takes away from any meaning it could have had.

So, in answer to the question, no I'm not being farmed.

Daithi 1

Who knows.

Heres the original. It's watchable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

Jonny7

There's got to be money is this. Alex Jones is really onto something.

PureClaas

Well it has to be admitted that if you look at human farming as all the taxes we pay it most certainly is the most lucrative business in the world.

I cant remember the exact figure but it is an extremly small minority that holds the worlds wealth.

Its a plausable agrument

CiaranMT

PureClaas wrote: »

Its a plausable agrument

Why?

Daithi 1

CiaranMT wrote: »

Why?

Why not ?

CiaranMT

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Why not ?

I have to know what the argument is first before I can evaluate

Daithi 1

CiaranMT wrote: »

I have to know what the argument is first before I can evaluate

Why don't you create an argument of your own ?

PureClaas

CiaranMT wrote: »

Why?

Profit for the few obviously.

gibraltar

PureClaas wrote: »

Well it has to be admitted that if you look at human farming as all the taxes we pay it most certainly is the most lucrative business in the world.

I cant remember the exact figure but it is an extremly small minority that holds the worlds wealth.

Its a plausable agrument

PureClaas wrote: »

Profit for the few obviously.

Is it your theory that the "few" are breeding more and more people as a means of making more money from taxiation?

PureClaas

gibraltar wrote: »

Is it your theory that the "few" are breeding more and more people as a means of making more money from taxiation?

Not even worth a valid response

gibraltar

PureClaas wrote: »

Not even worth a valid response

Very unusual reply, it honestly makes no sense, I asked a reasonable question based on your posting and you are unable to reply.

studiorat

PureClaas wrote: »

Profit for the few obviously.

Like Alex Jones et al.?

CiaranMT

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Why don't you create an argument of your own ?

PureClaas wrote: »

Not even worth a valid response

Two highly constructive responses...

PureClaas

CiaranMT wrote: »

Two highly constructive responses...

If you dont have a valid comment on the OP please move on or be reported for trolling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

profitius

PureClaas wrote: »

Well it has to be admitted that if you look at human farming as all the taxes we pay it most certainly is the most lucrative business in the world.

I cant remember the exact figure but it is an extremly small minority that holds the worlds wealth.

Its a plausable agrument

CiaranMT wrote: »

Why?

Because most people are working hard for the benefit of a few. What do you think about it?

Jonny7

PureClaas wrote: »

Well it has to be admitted that if you look at human farming as all the taxes we pay it most certainly is the most lucrative business in the world.

How is paying taxes a business? actually, why do you think we pay taxes?

jargon buster

I cant remember the exact figure but it is an extremly small minority that holds the worlds wealth.

Define "wealth" and identify the "minority"

profitius

Jonny7 wrote: »

How is paying taxes a business? actually, why do you think we pay taxes?

Most money people have go to the top of the money pyramid. The people at the top are incredibly wealthy.

If wealthy was circulated properly we'd probably have to work 20 hour weeks and have alot more holidays. Most of your taxes are working their way up to the super wealthy.

jargon buster wrote: »

Define "wealth" and identify the "minority"

The Rothschild banking family is supposed to be worth between 10 (conservative) and 500 trillion dollars. Yes I said Trillion! Now imagine the power they have.

Daithi 1

Nicked from another thread.

This is a form of slavery, no two ways about it and is only one example, there are many.

So are we being farmed ? Yes.

Bankers cost each one of us £8.40 for every £1 they produce, study shows



Rich bankers can today be exposed as a ­huge drain on society... ­costing the rest of us £8.40 for every £1 they produce.




A study by think-tank the New Economics Foundation found the average banker destroys ­£42million a year in value while creating just £5million.
Meanwhile hospital cleaners on £6.26 an hour are worth £10 for every £1 they cost because they prevent superbugs, saving the economy a fortune.
The shock figures fly in the face of claims that bankers like Barclays boss Bob Diamond – paid £4.4million in 2010/11 – are worth vast ­bonuses because of their ­contribution to the economy.
Their drain on the country is caused by the cost of bailing out banks brought to their knees by the credit crunch and the ­devastating impact of the ­crisis their recklessness caused.
NEF found that tax ­accountants who help the rich cut their bill were even worse value, ­costing us £47 for every £1 they create.
Meanwhile low-paid public sector workers like nursery ­workers and bin men were found to more than earn their wages.
Helen Kersley from the NEF said: “We get a huge tax ­contribution from the City but it pales into insignificance next to the damage from the financial crisis in terms of unemployment, bailing out banks and leaving us with a massive public debt.”

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/12/11/bankers-cost-each-one-of-us-8-40-for-every-1-they-produce-study-shows-115875-23626708/#ixzz1gVj60WDk

Jonny7

profitius wrote: »

Most money people have go to the top of the money pyramid. The people at the top are incredibly wealthy.

If wealthy was circulated properly we'd probably have to work 20 hour weeks and have alot more holidays. Most of your taxes are working their way up to the super wealthy.

You're already in the top 5% at least. How would you remedy your "money pyramid" situation?

The Rothschild banking family is supposed to be worth between 10 (conservative) and 500 trillion dollars. Yes I said Trillion! Now imagine the power they have.

No, no it's not

Daithi 1

Taking $6 billion (and assuming no erosion of the wealth base) and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) would suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family enterprise:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)
$7.8 trillion US (@ 5%)
$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)
$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)
$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)

To give these figures some perspective consider these benchmarks:

• A little of $300 billion US buys every ounce of gold in every central bank in the world (see John Kutyn’s estimate http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest/kutyn111597.html).
• U.S. M3 money supply August 1997 was $5.2 trillion
• U.S. debt is currently $5.4 trillion.
• U.S. GDP (1997; 2nd Q.) is $8.03 trillion.
• George Soros’ empire is worth an estimated $20 billion.

We shall never have a full accounting of their wealth. All we can go on is Morton’s (1962) comment that their wealth is "ineffable as always." Even our conservative estimates suggest a family with staggering wealth and thus influence. In a world awash in debt and unsustainable fiat currencies subject to implosion, the power of gold and the preference of the Rothschilds to gold cannot be easily ignored.

jargon buster

If wealthy was circulated properly we'd probably have to work 20 hour weeks and have alot more holidays.

Really?
Who flies all the planes and processes the passport applications and cleans the hotel rooms and fixes the filtration system on the swimming pool ,etc,etc when everyone is on a 20 hour week?

You cant just half peoples working week and double their incomes.
The money has to have value.

Daithi 1

Why didn't you try to bust my jargon ?

Jonny7

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Why didn't you try to bust my jargon ?

It's your jargon.. or some bloggers jargon?

profitius

jargon buster wrote: »

Really?
Who flies all the planes and processes the passport applications and cleans the hotel rooms and fixes the filtration system on the swimming pool ,etc,etc when everyone is on a 20 hour week?

You cant just half peoples working week and double their incomes.
The money has to have value.

The same people who does them now I presume.

hooradiation

Well, it would certainly explain this milking machine I have attached to me....

jargon buster

The same people who does them now I presume.

You have just halved everyones working week so they can go on holiday more but unfortunately the amount of people required to cater for twice the amount of people has been halved.

Its not rocket science its basic maths.

Daithi 1

Jonny7 wrote: »

It's your jargon.. or some bloggers jargon?

Do you dispute it ?

Looks about right to me !

jargon buster

Why didn't you try to bust my jargon ?

It wasn't your jargon to bust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_rothschild03.htm

By the way what has Rothschilds wealth got to do with people being farmed?

profitius

jargon buster wrote: »

You have just halved everyones working week so they can go on holiday more but unfortunately the amount of people required to cater for twice the amount of people has been halved.

Its not rocket science its basic maths.

Well lets take food. When people have more spare time they'll make their own food fresh instead of buying pre made food etc. So no more people needed to make the food, no shop keeper needed to sell the food and no lorry driver needed to transport the food. Basic maths.

People at home would also have more time to buy and sell items instead of throwing things away. They'd have more time to think of better more efficient ways of running things etc etc.

If everyone are going on holidays then there'd be less people in the country to cater for so less services needed.

profitius

jargon buster wrote: »

It wasn't your jargon to bust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_rothschild03.htm

By the way what has Rothschilds wealth got to do with people being farmed?

Everything since they are the farmers.

jargon buster

Well lets take food. When people have more spare time they'll make their own food fresh instead of buying pre made food etc. So no more people needed to make the food, no shop keeper needed to sell the food and no lorry driver needed to transport the food. Basic maths.

I don't want to root around in **** growing carrots, You are assuming everyone wants to do what you do.

People at home would also have more time to buy and sell items instead of throwing things away. They'd have more time to think of better more efficient ways of running things etc etc.

No, I say people would want to lol about doing nothing, theres no incentive now you have given them time to do as they please with more than enough money.

If everyone are going on holidays then there'd be less people in the country to cater for so less services needed.

Is it just the UK you plan on halving the hours or can the whole world do it?

Everything since they are the farmers.

Great so they are worth trillions of dollars, they could never spend it for generations, so why do they need us?

profitius

jargon buster wrote: »

I don't want to root around in **** growing carrots, You are assuming everyone wants to do what you do.

You don't have to. I mentioned a few other examples of jobs that would be saves.

JB wrote:

No, I say people would want to lol about doing nothing, theres no incentive now you have given them time to do as they please with more than enough money.

If properly educated people will make good, positive use of their time. Its not happening in todays society where everyone is in a rush to get somewhere.

JB wrote:

Great so they are worth trillions of dollars, they could never spend it for generations, so why do they need us?

They like having power. Rich people like having things, mega rich people get bored of things and start craving power. Look at politicians and anyone in high positions in society. They love being looked up to and having power over others.

PureClaas

jargon buster wrote: »

You have just halved everyones working week so they can go on holiday more but unfortunately the amount of people required to cater for twice the amount of people has been halved.

Its not rocket science its basic maths.

ya know here you are Jargon headed off in the wrong direction all over again and the point of the whole thing going straight over your head man.

The point here was that if the worlds wealth was more evenly shared instead of going all the way to the top. You yourself and i and all our fellow brothers and sisters would now be living in a life where we just work to live rather than live to work.

Now if your gona tell me you rather work 40 to 60 hrs a week instead of having to work just 20 for the same reward i would be extremly shocked.

Its behond me why more and more people cannot see that all the people of this world are basic modern day slaves for the obscenely rich few.

What do people think occupy wall street is all about like. It all comes back to the same thing if you look deep enough. Everything is connected.

You ask what has the rothschilds got to do with it. Well there heavily involved in the IMF. Far as i know there the biggest influence in American finance decisions and through the IMF you can best your ass they got serious weight behind what THEY want to happen in europe and everywhere else too.

The whole thing is so perverse that it actually would scare you to the point its not even believable

profitius

PureClaas wrote: »

You yourself and i and all our fellow brothers and sisters would now be living in a life where we just work to live rather than live to work.

That sums it up perfectly!

clever_name

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Do you dispute it ?

Looks about right to me !

Would you clarify what part of it looks right to you please, it seems far too vague IMO to say it looks right (thats why i'm not sure what you mean by right).

Let me explain why I think its vague, the details you posted start with an unexplained investment principal, continue with a presumption of no errosion of investment and no timeline is given for the various returns calculated, (at a quick guess I think its about 120 years, + or - 10).

The end result is a prediction that ranges from 2 to 500 trillion, IMO thats not much use - I think most of us could take a look at any of our neighbours at take a guess that they have between 2 and five hundred thousand in the bank.

clever_name

First thing I thougt is that if we all started working half the hours we do now we would need twice the number of staff in most jobs, nice idea but i dont think it would work.

profitius wrote: »

Well lets take food. When people have more spare time they'll make their own food fresh instead of buying pre made food etc. So no more people needed to make the food, no shop keeper needed to sell the food and no lorry driver needed to transport the food. Basic maths.

I get more time off I can guarantee one of the last things I would do is make my own fresh food, partly because threr are a lot of things I would rather do but mainly because myself and almost everyone I know have no possibility to make meaningful amouts of food. The average householder or apartment dweller wont be able to do much.

profitius wrote: »

If everyone are going on holidays then there'd be less people in the country to cater for so less services needed.

How about we would need far more people because of all the people who would be coming here on holiday, a lot of places would be at least twice as busy with half the staff.

Jonny7

PureClaas wrote: »

The point here was that if the worlds wealth was more evenly shared instead of going all the way to the top. You yourself and i and all our fellow brothers and sisters would now be living in a life where we just work to live rather than live to work.

You mean.. a return to subsistence farming?

Now if your gona tell me you rather work 40 to 60 hrs a week instead of having to work just 20 for the same reward i would be extremly shocked.

Would there be planes, cars, clothes, the internet, etc in this imaginary world?

Its behond me why more and more people cannot see that all the people of this world are basic modern day slaves for the obscenely rich few.

So the top 5% of the world (you and me), who are living longer, have the best medical care, enjoy the best services, the most freedom, the largest choice of education, career, jobs, job mobility.. we are modern day slaves? like.. really?

What do people think occupy wall street is all about like. It all comes back to the same thing if you look deep enough. Everything is connected.

A bunch of people who had enough money/support from others to camp for weeks/months with their first world problems.

You ask what has the rothschilds got to do with it. Well there heavily involved in the IMF. Far as i know there the biggest influence in American finance decisions and through the IMF you can best your ass they got serious weight behind what THEY want to happen in europe and everywhere else too.

Are you just making that up or is it based on any real solid fact?

The whole thing is so perverse that it actually would scare you to the point its not even believable

We are all free to move to a third world country and take up subsistence farming.. you can be one of the pioneers.. you are released from this modern day slavery.. off you go!

pacquiao

PureClaas wrote: »

The point here was that if the worlds wealth was more evenly shared instead of going all the way to the top. You yourself and i and all our fellow brothers and sisters would now be living in a life where we just work to live rather than live to work.

What do you mean evenly shared? How does that work?

PureClaas wrote: »

Now if your gona tell me you rather work 40 to 60 hrs a week instead of having to work just 20 for the same reward i would be extremly shocked.

Ok lets say we work 20 for the same reward. What happens when some people want to work 60 hours?

jargon buster

Rich people like having things, mega rich people get bored of things and start craving power

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And by that argument you could say that all the people you have working a 20 hour week with loads of time to sit about doing nothing will start getting bored and crave power.

My grandad used to say to me that no one ever broke into houses when they were younger because everyone worked so hard that when they got home after a shift down the pit or on the roads they were too tired to do anything else.
People have got too much time on their hands these days , thats why theres so much crime.

I think he may have had a point.

profitius

clever_name wrote: »

First thing I thougt is that if we all started working half the hours we do now we would need twice the number of staff in most jobs, nice idea but i dont think it would work.

I get more time off I can guarantee one of the last things I would do is make my own fresh food, partly because threr are a lot of things I would rather do but mainly because myself and almost everyone I know have no possibility to make meaningful amouts of food. The average householder or apartment dweller wont be able to do much.

How about we would need far more people because of all the people who would be coming here on holiday, a lot of places would be at least twice as busy with half the staff.

Maybe I should be more clear.

What I'm getting at essentially is to have the basics of life, people would only need to work 20 hours. After that, if you want somebody to make you a sandwich then I'd imagine it would be expensive. If you want to work 40 or 60 hour weeks, nothing stopping you.

OVERALL, people would be far better off.

profitius

jargon buster wrote: »

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And by that argument you could say that all the people you have working a 20 hour week with loads of time to sit about doing nothing will start getting bored and crave power.

My grandad used to say to me that no one ever broke into houses when they were younger because everyone worked so hard that when they got home after a shift down the pit or on the roads they were too tired to do anything else.
People have got too much time on their hands these days , thats why theres so much crime.

I think he may have had a point.

Thats just presuming people are bad and need to be controlled communist style. I think people are thought to be bad due to their enviornment growing up. Poor people are trapped in a life of poverty and have low self esteem. When people have nothing to lose, they lose it.

jargon buster

When people have nothing to lose, they lose it.

And when people have everything to lose they lose it, so that point works both ways.
Ever heard the term "fall from grace".
People who have had everything have thrown it all away.

Thats just presuming people are bad and need to be controlled communist style.

some people are bad, thats why we need control and boundaries/limitations

profitius

jargon buster wrote: »

And when people have everything to lose they lose it, so that point works both ways.
Ever heard the term "fall from grace".
People who have had everything have thrown it all away.

some people are bad, thats why we need control and boundaries/limitations

They're not born bad. By the time they've grown up they become bad. What does it say about todays society that there are more "scumbags" around then ever before?

jargon buster

What does it say about todays society that there are more "scumbags" around then ever before?

The law is too lenient with them?

studiorat

profitius wrote: »

Well lets take food. When people have more spare time they'll make their own food fresh instead of buying pre made food etc. So no more people needed to make the food, no shop keeper needed to sell the food and no lorry driver needed to transport the food. Basic maths.

Sounds like "the great leap forward" 'except when you get a bad year or disease where's the food going to come from then??

profitius wrote: »

If everyone are going on holidays then there'd be less people in the country to cater for so less services needed.

I'm splitting my sides reading this. Ok just for kicks, what about all the people who decide to come here on holidays? Who's gonna feed them? And what happens if everyone decides to go on holidays at the same time?

hooradiation

profitius wrote: »

What does it say about todays society that there are more "scumbags" around then ever before?

This is one of those evergreen notions that befalls everyone once they hit a certain age.
For example

"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
- Peter the Hermit, A.D. 1274

The youth of today are no better or worse than the youth at any other time in history.

Jeboa Safari

profitius wrote: »

They're not born bad. By the time they've grown up they become bad. What does it say about todays society that there are more "scumbags" around then ever before?

Population has increased?

clever_name

profitius wrote: »

Maybe I should be more clear.

What I'm getting at essentially is to have the basics of life, people would only need to work 20 hours.

OK I get that and I think I understand were you are coming from with the idea but I am not sure what you mean by basics of life - my idea would be water, heat, food, health.

profitius wrote: »

. After that, if you want somebody to make you a sandwich then I'd imagine it would be expensive. If you want to work 40 or 60 hour weeks, nothing stopping you.

OVERALL, people would be far better off.

I honestly disagree with this, by classifying something like a sandwich as a luxury the only people who would be better off are the wealthy, the end result is adoctor works 20 hours a week and lives a good life, average joe like me has to work 40 hours to pay for anything beyond the basics.

I think thats the position a lot of people are in now, I know I could pay for enough to easily survive on 20 hours work a week, all the fun stuff would be paid for with the next 20 hours