Ipad 2 OR wait for Ipad 3???

jod1983

Because we'll be apart for Christmas, my better half just gave me my Christmas present of a €500 voucher for CompuB.
As the title goes, do i get a Ipad 2 or is the 3 due soon?

Cicero

Think the 3 is Predicted to be out around March next year...but that may just be USA first.....

Lots of rumours around but nothing definate

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/ipad-3-rumours-what-you-need-to-know-937498


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/12/apple-ipad-3-with-retina-display-coming-february-analyst-says.html

jod1983

Thanks for reply.

Apart from a possible USB connection can there be a huge difference?

Cicero

Much better screen resolution appears to be be a key prediction...no saying the price will be under 500 euro though.....

whiterebel

jod1983 wrote: »

Thanks for reply.

Apart from a possible USB connection can there be a huge difference?

There won't be a USB connection.

opinion guy

Rumours i have read include: retina display, quad core processor, running full OsX Lion.

now that last one....hmmm seems incredible...but I wonder if there is truth in it given that lion was deliberate made to be more like ios.

Anyhow even if all that is not true i would wait for ipad3 as your ipad 2 will be instantly devalued and out of date

vinnycoyne

opinion guy wrote: »

Rumours i have read include: retina display, quad core processor, running full OsX Lion.

now that last one....hmmm seems incredible...but I wonder if there is truth in it given that lion was deliberate made to be more like ios.

Anyhow even if all that is not true i would wait for ipad3 as your ipad 2 will be instantly devalued and out of date

There is absolutely no way an iPad 3 would run Lion.

opinion guy

vinnycoyne wrote: »

There is absolutely no way an iPad 3 would run Lion.

Fair enough - but you have to admit that convergence of iOs and OsX is an inevitability

Sad Professor

opinion guy wrote: »

Fair enough - but you have to admit that convergence of iOs and OsX is an inevitability

No it's not. If that was the case tablets running Windows would have been a huge success years before the iPad came along. There's a reason Apple used iOS on the iPad - because it was designed for mobile devices with touch screens. OS X is designed for desktops with a keyboard and mouse.

Both OSs had loads in common to begin with, so there's no reason for them to converge any further. They are two distinct operating systems designed for completely different types of devices. They will continue to influence each other, but that doesn't mean they are going to become unified. If anything the potential for divergence is far greater. But I suspect they remain much as they are.

Yahew

vinnycoyne wrote: »

There is absolutely no way an iPad 3 would run Lion.

It could. It probably won't.

Yahew

Sad Professor wrote: »

No it's not. If that was the case tablets running Windows would have been a huge success years before the iPad came along. There's a reason Apple used iOS on the iPad - because it was designed for mobile devices with touch screens. OS X is designed for desktops with a keyboard and mouse.

Both OSs had loads in common to begin with, so there's no reason for them to converge any further. They are two distinct operating systems designed for completely different types of devices. They will continue to influence each other, but that doesn't mean they are going to become unified. If anything the potential for divergence is far greater. But I suspect they remain much as they are.

I dont agree, it makes sense for Apple to merge it's OS teams. The advantages are legion. An OS X running on the iPad could recognise the device, ignore the Finder, and use LaunchPad. So it would look like iOS anyway. Devs could then build a "fat" version of their apps to run on both - one ARM, one Intel. ( The OS X line on the laptops might well be ARM sometime in the future, anyway).

Apps would probably have to be allowed to show multiple windows on the iPad, but those who have coded originally for the iPad would automatically run in single window mode , on either the iPad, or the Laptop running the converged OS. A bit like the way iCal looks like the iPad version on OS X, when in full screen mode. ( except stretched - devs would have to be aware of screen sizes).


All that Apple have done in the last release of OS X has convinced me this is likely. Not in time for the iPad 3 but soon. 2013 I imagine.

Ciaran500

Yahew wrote: »

It could. It probably won't.

It could, if it was massively rewritten. An ARM processor is very different to the x86-64 processor in any desktop.

Yahew

Ciaran500 wrote: »

It could, if it was massively rewritten. An ARM processor is very different to the x86-64 processor in any desktop.

They need to re-compile it. OS X is processor agnostic. As is iOS, which is a subset of OS X.

Apple have already done this work. They moved from PPC to Intel.

I'd be surprised if a version of OS X didn't already run on ARM. Since iOS does, OS X can.

( IOS also runs, in the emulator, as an OS X process, i.e. on Intel , as do any apps developers develop in xCode).

opinion guy

Sad Professor wrote: »

No it's not. If that was the case tablets running Windows would have been a huge success years before the iPad came along. There's a reason Apple used iOS on the iPad - because it was designed for mobile devices with touch screens. OS X is designed for desktops with a keyboard and mouse.

Both OSs had loads in common to begin with, so there's no reason for them to converge any further. They are two distinct operating systems designed for completely different types of devices. They will continue to influence each other, but that doesn't mean they are going to become unified. If anything the potential for divergence is far greater. But I suspect they remain much as they are.

I disagree Prof. I think the unspoken goal of all tablet manufacturers is to break the mainstream laptop/desktop market. That means at some point there will have to be a convergence of operating systems. Ironically windows leads the field in this. You can even use windows on an ipad using a citrix app (really windows is running on a remote machine).

They simply have not cracked the right user interface for using a desktop OS on a tablet. OsX Lion is Apple's first move towards that - and beefing up the mobile processors to dual and quad cores is a necessary intermediate step - but they are smart and taking it slow - one step at a time.

It may not happen by ipad3, but I'd say within the next 12-18months there will be a combined tablet/desktop OS certainly from apple and probably from others too

Colonel Panic

Ciaran500 wrote: »

It could, if it was massively rewritten. An ARM processor is very different to the x86-64 processor in any desktop.

A lot of iOS and Lion are the same thing and you can be sure that somewhere in Apple, there's a build of Lion for Arm just like there was an Intel Build of OS X when Apple still used PPC.

The biggest problem would be the lack of binary compatibility with existing Intel apps.

Edit, as Yahew said, missed his post!

fox007

I really hope lion osx does not come to the iPad.i really regret updating my Mac book pro to it it! It's killed my performance now when I switch between iPhoto iTunes and safari I Just get the beach ball and the trouble with wifi.......

s8n

So to sum this thread up ...... No one knows anything for definite !!!!!

fox007

s8n wrote: »

So to sum this thread up ...... No one knows anything for definite !!!!!

If they did there wouldn't be a need for this thread and everyone would know,but that's how apple do business keep everyone guessing.

gzoladz

Retina display, fact. Quad core...only in 2013.

Also, I dont see ipad 3 coming until June. Ipad 2 is still very hot.

soundsham

I'm waiting for iPad 3 (and saving my coppers )
Kept iPhone 4 and happy not to have updated
Will get next phone model

Owen

Samsung are rumoured to be working on a 2550x1600 11.5 inch tablet. That's the same resolution my 30" Dell monitor has. So Apple will need a Retina display for the iPad 3 for sure.

Looking at the latest phones and tablets hitting the market, Apple need to up their stakes in the hardware game IMHO, and I am an iPhone fan. I've had one since the first gen, and have the 4 currently, but the 4s was a pretty poor offering. So poor that unless the 5 offers something substantial in terms of hardware, I see myself shifting to the likes of the Motorola Droid Razr, or similar.

Crap, how did that end up being an anti Apple rant? I do like Apple a lot - but c'mon guys, give us something to be excited about!

Dades

jod1983 wrote: »

Ipad 2 OR wait for Ipad 3???

Wait.

If you don't, when the iPad 3 comes out you'll take one look at the new higher resolution screen and wish you had.

I find browsing the current iPad grainy compared to my iPhone 4. It's the one thing that's kept me from buying one and instead biding my time.

Yahew

Owen wrote: »

Samsung are rumoured to be working on a 2550x1600 11.5 inch tablet. That's the same resolution my 30" Dell monitor has. So Apple will need a Retina display for the iPad 3 for sure.

Looking at the latest phones and tablets hitting the market, Apple need to up their stakes in the hardware game IMHO, and I am an iPhone fan. I've had one since the first gen, and have the 4 currently, but the 4s was a pretty poor offering. So poor that unless the 5 offers something substantial in terms of hardware, I see myself shifting to the likes of the Motorola Droid Razr, or similar.

Crap, how did that end up being an anti Apple rant? I do like Apple a lot - but c'mon guys, give us something to be excited about!

Yeah, regardless of whether people inside APple like 4"+ displays or not, they get attention in the shops. Its a necessity for the new phone.

EDIT: I personally don't care, but this is about mindshare.

Duck Soup

I have an iPhone 4S, but not an iPad. But doesn’t the iPad run on iOS rather than OSX?

macbook.dan

Yahew wrote: »

Owen wrote: »

Samsung are rumoured to be working on a 2550x1600 11.5 inch tablet. That's the same resolution my 30" Dell monitor has. So Apple will need a Retina display for the iPad 3 for sure.

Looking at the latest phones and tablets hitting the market, Apple need to up their stakes in the hardware game IMHO, and I am an iPhone fan. I've had one since the first gen, and have the 4 currently, but the 4s was a pretty poor offering. So poor that unless the 5 offers something substantial in terms of hardware, I see myself shifting to the likes of the Motorola Droid Razr, or similar.

Crap, how did that end up being an anti Apple rant? I do like Apple a lot - but c'mon guys, give us something to be excited about!

Yeah, regardless of whether people inside APple like 4"+ displays or not, they get attention in the shops. Its a necessity for the new phone.

EDIT: I personally don't care, but this is about mindshare.

I've worked in a phone shop for a year now and I'd say I've sold about a dozen phones that had a screen bigger than the iPhones 3.5 it's a pure joke this bigger screen thing, they are horrible and unusable, and if Apple go down this route I will be one unhappy camper.

opinion guy

macbook.dan wrote: »

I've worked in a phone shop for a year now and I'd say I've sold about a dozen phones that had a screen bigger than the iPhones 3.5 it's a pure joke this bigger screen thing, they are horrible and unusable, and if Apple go down this route I will be one unhappy camper.

you've sold only 12 HTC sensations and Samsung Galaxy S2's combined in 1 year ? Bullsh1t (That or you do **** all shop floor work)

macbook.dan

opinion guy wrote: »

macbook.dan wrote: »

I've worked in a phone shop for a year now and I'd say I've sold about a dozen phones that had a screen bigger than the iPhones 3.5 it's a pure joke this bigger screen thing, they are horrible and unusable, and if Apple go down this route I will be one unhappy camper.

you've sold only 12 HTC sensations and Samsung Galaxy S2's combined in 1 year ? Bullsh1t (That or you do **** all shop floor work)

I don't bs my friend, the S2 is a disaster and any who was unlucky enough to buy an Galaxy S know better than to go back to Samsung, see the thing is that once you stop people going on about specs and speeds and actually get down to what they will do on the phone, there is only one option and that's an iPhone, I could go on and on here but the mean thing I find is people don't want computers in there pockets!

Alan70

S2 is a disaster, tell me more. Sent from my S2.

Alan70

My twelve year old is getting ipad2 for Christmas. I hope he likes.

macbook.dan

Alan70 wrote: »

S2 is a disaster, tell me more. Sent from my S2.

Look man, I'm not saying that you and others aren't happy with the S2 but for the vast majority of people it's a disaster in terms of you need to all the things you do with a computer anti virus and so on, when you go the the android market there is no way of knowing if the app has malware or if it can even run on the handset, where as there is no though needed for the iPhone all apps work no malware or virus when you delete an app it's gone and no messing, and to add I've never had any come back to me unhappy with an iPhone where as when people are doing insurance claims and the like on S2 the first question is can I get an iPhone instead if I pay a bit extra

biko

On topic - I guess it depends whether you need the pad now or can wait?
If you can wait and have the extra cash it'll cost above 500 then wait.
There will always be another newer shinier gadget coming out in 6 months though...

Alan70

Thanks Biko, got a deal on ipad2 with wife's company, so decided to go for it.

Alan70

I don't use anti virus on mine but keep coming forth with your generalizations and "wisdom" Macbook.dan.

macbook.dan

Alan70 wrote: »

I don't use anti virus on mine but keep coming forth with your generalizations and "wisdom" Macbook.dan.

Hey man I'm just putting across what I see everyday, there's no need to get like that, why I commented on this thread, was to say that four inch screens are not popular from what I can see, and in my own option there is a lot to be said for having one screen size across different generations of phones.

opinion guy

macbook.dan wrote: »

the mean thing I find is people don't want computers in there pockets!

Actually thats exactly what alot of people want and exactly what the iphone is not.

biko wrote: »

There will always be another newer shinier gadget coming out in 6 months though...

Thats true

macbook.dan

opinion guy wrote: »

macbook.dan wrote: »

the mean thing I find is people don't want computers in there pockets!

Actually thats exactly what alot of people want and exactly what the iphone is not.


Well what I am trying to say by that is, most people want all the advantages of a pocket computer get on line do some email and etc without the same hassle of a computer doing anti virus and installing uninstalling having to down load apps to do things the phone should do out of the box and having a lot of crap ware on the phone with out the ability to get rid of it, I'm sorry but android is the new Windows, if android is so good and that's what people go for than why are the tablets a complete flop and iPads are flying ?

vinnycoyne

Let's not have this descend into an Android vs. iOS flame war. Back on topic, please.

Yahew

I'd like to believe Macbook dan, but I hear a lot of interest in bigger screens.

The IPad 3 will be hard to beat if it is Retina. I wonder if Android can really handle pushing all those pixels without a rewrite.

Trotter

I think Santa is bringing me an iPad 2 for Christmas and I'll be delighted if he does. Theres a sense with Apple that theres always something better to wait for. They're expensive enough as it is and I'd be happy to just have it now and use it than wait again for another Apple release. I did that for the 4S and it was so drawn out I dont fancy waiting again.

The only problem is that my eye is tuned to the 4S screen and Im wondering is switching to the iPad2 screen going to seem very blurry..

Dades

Trotter wrote: »

Theres a sense with Apple that theres always something better to wait for.

That's true of all gadgetry, however with regards to the iPad and a "retina" (or close to it) display - this is the hardware bump. In terms of what it will add to the overall user experience it will be huge. There won't something so big and necessary to wait for a few generations after that, imo.

Trotter wrote: »

The only problem is that my eye is tuned to the 4S screen and Im wondering is switching to the iPad2 screen going to seem very blurry..

Switching between both on a daily basis is an eye-opening experience.

whiterebel

Dades wrote: »

That's true of all gadgetry, however with regards to the iPad and a "retina" (or close to it) display - this is the hardware bump. In terms of what it will add to the overall user experience it will be huge. There won't something so big and necessary to wait for a few generations after that, imo.

Switching between both on a daily basis is an eye-opening experience.

And I don't see that much difference switching between them daily. The screen on the iPad is excellent anyway, IMHO.

waynegalway

In my experience, the hugh spec difference on paper between the screen resolution of an iPad 1 or 2 and an iPhone 4/4s doesn't make that much difference in the real world.

Sure, there is a big difference when looked at closely. But I find that I hold my iPhone a lot closer to my eyes when using it than I do with the iPad.

So in my experience, I just don't "see" a massive difference in the resolution. I know it's there, and a closer look will show it, but the way I use the devices minimises the difference.