Man Rapes and Tortures Daughters for 18 Years

Millicent

This is the most depressing thread I've ever posted and I'm sorry, but it affected me that much, I had to post on it. A man severely rapes and tortures his four daughters for 18 years and nobody notices? How can this still be happening?

A 50-YEAR-old man who has pleaded guilty to raping and ill-treating four of his daughters is to be sentenced at the Central Criminal Court in Castlebar, Co Mayo, today.

The man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had initially pleaded not guilty to 271 charges of raping and assaulting or neglecting his four daughters between 1991 and 2009.

He changed his plea last week to guilty, and was rearraigned on 14 sample charges, including nine charges of rape of four daughters and five charges of ill-treatment.

The series of offences included raping one daughter on the bonnet of a car, and another was raped while tied to a tree in a remote stretch of woodland. Various implements were used in repeated beatings.

One daughter told of having a vicegrip (steel pincers) locked on to her ears, lips and nose. Once her father closed the vicegrip on a tooth and the tooth broke.

Yesterday a witness, a female garda, told the court that the accused, a member of the Travelling community, had lived with his family in isolated, rural locations.

The abuse had come to light on March 24th, 2009, when two men called to a Garda station expressing concern. The female garda called to a house where a number of the victims were residing and was told that there was no wrongdoing.

She made further inquiries and in April 2009 she became aware that one of the daughters had attempted suicide. When she called to see her the woman expressed concern for her siblings.

As a result of the investigation, the witness continued, an emergency care order had been issued by a judge in respect of the children on June 3rd, 2009.

The garda then quoted from a series of statements made by a number of the daughters.

One said the abuse had started when she was five to seven years old and it continued until she was 18 and left home. Her father had abused her very badly on the night before she left. She had thumbed a lift to the train station and gone to the other side of the country, where she slept behind a clothes bank for three nights.

The wife of a local garda had then put her up for several nights before putting her in touch with a social worker.

After abusing her, her father told her that he would kill her if she ever told anyone and she would be buried in a bog and never found.

When she was nine years old, she was tied to a tree in the woods with wire, raped and had a sock put in her mouth. She bled heavily afterwards and lost the power of her legs. In a further incident, her father stuck a knife in her right arm and drew it down. The father then sewed up the wound with a needle and thread.

Medical evidence cited by the witness included an examination by a doctor who said that one could only “cringe” at what the girl would have gone through without anaesthetic.

Her father had hit her on the head with a hammer and held her in a river to clean the blood off her.

The girl told of another occasion when she was tied to a horse which was whipped to run. The horse had tripped and fallen over on to her legs.

A second daughter, now also in her 20s, told gardaí she had been raped up to the age of 13. Her father had “tried to make us think it was a normal life” when it was not. She gave details of being raped and buggered and told of how her father would bring her to the shop and give her sweets.

The father would switch from one child to the other. He did not care if the others were watching or not.

She continued: “I think about it every day in my life what he did. I was told, ‘if you say anything you are dead. Not matter how long I get, I will hunt you down and I will kill you’.”

A third daughter told gardaí her father had ripped off all her clothes and raped her in front of her siblings while her mother had gone to the shop to get alcohol.

The girl said she had been abused from age nine to the age of 20 and was sometimes raped three and four times a day. She described how she was also tied to a tree and raped and her brother was made to stay and watch.

Her brother cut the string and untied her.

She said that they were beaten with poles, hammers, sticks, harnesses and horse whips. She saw her sister being raped so many times and she could not do anything about it. The girl said her mother and father sometimes made them watch pornography.

The Garda witness, in reply to Paul Burns, SC, prosecuting, said the father had been arrested on June 3rd and July 7th, 2009, and denied all wrongdoing.

Born in 1961, he had 87 previous convictions, mostly relating to the abuse of an elder daughter for which he had been convicted and sentenced to 14 years last year. Evidence had shown that he had fathered two children by her.

There were other convictions for larceny, burglary and traffic offences dating back to the 1980s, the garda said. The court was told yesterday his wife was serving eight years in prison.

Mr Burns described the offences as top of the scale. The only mitigating factor was the plea of guilty which saved the complainants from having to give evidence.

Martin Giblin SC, defending, said the man was one of 11 children and was illiterate. He had spent fewer than 12 days in school in total. He asked for a determinate sentence. Lives had been destroyed, including that of the accused.

He said the man and his wife were estranged and some of the children were “supportive”. The plea of guilty was a significant mitigating factor, even though it was tendered late in the day.

Mr Justice Paul Carney is to pass sentence today.

The Irish Times -- 9/12/11

I'm not sure what kind of conversation I'm looking to start here, but I can't even begin to process what these four girls went through. I haven't been this upset about a story in a long time. How can no neighbour, friend, family member etc. notice a thing like this?

As to the character of the man, can you even imagine someone you know doing something like this? Is it that easy to rationalise these actions to yourself or are some people just inherently evil?

Guy:Incognito

Should we have a guess at how many years he gets?

I'll go with 7 with 3 suspended.

Will I Amnt

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should we have a guess at how many years he gets?

I'll go with 7 with 3 suspended.

****ing animal should be put down.

PrettyBoy

What a cunt.

Millicent

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should we have a guess at how many years he gets?

I'll go with 7 with 3 suspended.

See, this is what I'm afraid of. I'll be horrified if he doesn't get sent down for a long, long time.

PrincessLola

Even if he were to get life inprisonment it would never erase what he has done to those girls.


Those women (and the brother too) will never be right again, surely.

Millicent

PrincessLola wrote: »

Even if he were to get life inprisonment it would never erase what he has done to those girls.


Those women (and the brother too) will never be right again, surely.

One at least has attempted suicide. I am amazed that they are still functioning at this stage. I only noticed memory of a mother too. Why would she not speak up? She cannot have been completely blind to this.

Chuck Stone

Millicent wrote: »

As to the character of the man, can you even imagine someone you know doing something like this? Is it that easy to rationalise these actions to yourself or are some people just inherently evil?

I'm a believe that 'nurture' rather than 'nature' has a greater influence on how we turn out as people. I consider myself very liberal. I hate the idea of determinism and think everyone has free will. I also hold the view that humans have a massive capacity to change. I believe everyone should be given a second chance

With the above in mind it kinda goes against my nature (nurture!) to say that, yes indeed, this man is evil.

NB. The survivors of this degenerate's depravity will probably only be at peace when he's dead. He should be imprisoned for the rest of his life.

chucken1

PrincessLola wrote: »

Even if he were to get life inprisonment it would never erase what he has done to those girls.


Those women (and the brother too) will never be right again, surely.

No they wont

TeddyTedson

I always wonder where do the get those 271 charges from. Is that for repeating the offense. Surely the number then is just picked out of the sky.

Will I Amnt

Millicent wrote: »

I only noticed memory of a mother too. Why would she not speak up? She cannot have been completely blind to this.

"The girl said her mother and father sometimes made them watch pornography."
She seems to be involved in some way too.

Einhard

"Lives had been destroyed, including that of the accused"

Words fail me. This man makes Joseph Frtzl seem humane. I don't agree with the death penalty in any circumstances, but the crimes of this man strain my conviction in that regard. He should never, ever be allowed to see the light to day again. My father cried today when listening to this on the radio, and I imagine there are many like him around the country. I hope to God that those girls, and their brother, get all the help and support they need, and go onto to lead as normal and happy a life as they can.

Where was the mother when all of this was happening?

Millicent

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm a believe that 'nurture' rather than 'nature' has a greater influence on how we turn out as people. I consider myself very liberal. I hate the idea of determinism and think everyone has free will. I also hold the view that humans have a massive capacity to change.

With the above in mind it kinda goes against my nature (nurture!) to say that, yes indeed, this man is evil.

That's where my inclination is going too. There has to be some pure evil in someone like that.

cambo2008 wrote: »

"The girl said her mother and father sometimes made them watch pornography."
She seems to be involved in some way too.

I must have blotted that from my memory after reading. Which begs the question, how could two people condone that sort of behaviour with their own children?

chucken1

Einhard wrote: »

"Lives had been destroyed, including that of the accused"

Words fail me. This man makes Joseph Frtzl seem humane. I don't agree with the death penalty in any circumstances, but the crimes of this man strain my conviction in that regard. He should never, ever be allowed to see the light to day again. My father cried today when listening to this on the radio, and I imagine there are many like him around the country. I hope to God that those girls, and their brother, get all the help and support they need, and go onto to lead as normal and happy a life as they can.

Where was the mother when all of this was happening?

Abuse in a family is just that.
Mother was probably abused too

That story is worse than every other crime I've read about put together. Public execution is all he deserves.

chucken1

Lads and lassies Im not going to beat around any bush..

This happens EVERY DAY.

Chuck Stone

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I always wonder where do the get those 271 charges from. Is that for repeating the offense. Surely the number then is just picked out of the sky.

Those are probably samples that his victims (survivors) could describe in detail.

pebbles21

As a Father of two daughters i feel physically sick after reading that!

Speechless!

maxfresh

I believe in what goes around comes around so hopefully this scumbag will get what he deserves in one way or another , be that in jail or when he gets out

chucken1

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Those are probably samples that his victims (survivors) could describe in detail.

Survivors Chuck

ThePower11

chucken1 wrote: »

Abuse in a family is just that.
Mother was probably abused too

The girl said her mother and father sometimes made them watch pornography.

subway

Christ, I'm physically upset by this.
What happened to his 14 year sentence? Dont answer that.
I he hope never sees freedom again :(:(

patwicklow

Tie the bastard to a tree and cut his balls off see how he likes a taste of his own medicine

lackofyou

I hope this man go to hell...
I cant imagine this kind of people exists,so cruel...

kraggy

I'm nearly sure this is the wife. The similarities are too great for it not to be her e.g. vice grips on ear and nose; stitching up the arm with needle and thread etc

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0715/1224300763404.html (Warning: article as upsetting as the one about her husband)

She's some evil piece of scum too.

She was sentenced in July and got 24 years. Which is a good sign as it will mean that the husband should get even more (I wish she was locked up for good but in this country, given judges' track records, she could have got less).

Although, in Ireland, you'd never know.

chucken1

16 yrs suspended????? Bitch

lackofyou

OMG,****

kraggy

chucken1 wrote: »

16 yrs suspended????? Bitch

I agree. Locked up for life she should be. But sadly, in this country, it could be considered one of the better sentences given out considering that people have murdered and got out in a lot less time.

chucken1

kraggy wrote: »

I agree. Locked up for life she should be. But sadly, in this country, it could be considered one of the better sentences given out considering that people have murdered and got out in a lot less time.

I am the same age as that yoke.

Ive survived child abuse.
Ive survived adult abuse.

I'm still here :)

Concentrate your horror to help others

mackg

Einhard wrote: »

"Lives had been destroyed, including that of the accused"

Words fail me. This man makes Joseph Frtzl seem humane. I don't agree with the death penalty in any circumstances, but the crimes of this man strain my conviction in that regard. He should never, ever be allowed to see the light to day again. My father cried today when listening to this on the radio, and I imagine there are many like him around the country. I hope to God that those girls, and their brother, get all the help and support they need, and go onto to lead as normal and happy a life as they can.

Where was the mother when all of this was happening?

I don't know if there is any coming back from something like this really, i hope for their sake there is but to me that sounds like the sort of thing that would destroy a person. I couldn't do it to my worst enemy, how someone does it to their child is beyond my comprehension.

Millicent

mackg wrote: »

I don't know if there is any coming back from something like this really, i hope for their sake there is but to me that sounds like the sort of thing that would destroy a person. I couldn't do it to my worst enemy, how someone does it to their child is beyond my comprehension.

People do. Hopefully, they'll find the fight in themselves to decide that their parents won't ruin their whole lives and take control back. It's a long road for them though.

And Kraggy, now that you mention it, I'm sure it's the same case. I was horrified about that one when I heard it too. Oddly relieved these aren't two separate cases, just because it would be too horrible to think this stuff is more common.

LighterGuy

These are the actions of an evil man.
Although we all know he won't get it in this country, he really should get life.

EKClarke

What a legend.

Mod note: User banned

kraggy

EKClarke wrote: »

What a legend.

That's a ridiculous, hideous comment, even by After Hours standards.

Abominable.

J. Marston

And that's exactly the reaction it wanted. Just ignore it, he/she will probably be banned soon.

EKClarke

kraggy wrote: »

That's a ridiculous, hideous comment, even by After Hours standards.

Abominable.

I just wanted a friend.

busyliving

Kunt should be put down

ahal

cambo2008 wrote: »

****ing animal should be put down.

Would an animal do this?

Davidth88

I just read this in the Indo , felt sick.

I don't know what punishment is enough for him ( and the mother ) death is too good .

Sick

danniemcq

I hope he gets an Irish "Bubba" as a cell mate

Ellis Dee

Terrible reading, as were accounts of the wife's trial and the actions for which she was convicted.:(:(

However, is this matter not sub judice until sentencing? I would urge caution just to make sure the defendant's defence council is not handed ammunition that might prove useful upon appeal against, say, severity of sentence.:cool:

Mr Benevolent

He'll get a slap on the wrist - 2 years in jail and the rest suspended. He will NOT have good time in jail, I'm pleased to note.

syklops

I know social workers have a very hard job, but does this stuff not get tracked?

The second youngest daughter who was born with physical disabilities was found strapped into a filthy buggy by a social worker in 2002.

The social worker advised the mother to bring the child, who had breathing difficulties, for treatment to a local hospital but she never did so.

Would it not warrant a repeat visit? I know they are travellers, but surely they have some kind of "may be in danger" status to put on kids.

This case is just terrrible, but I am hoping both mother and father get some kind of come uppence when the details of what they did come out. There are some really evil scum out there, and some of them are in prison already.

Maybe they will get a taste of their own medicine three or four times a day for the next 16 years.

syklops

Confab wrote: »

He'll get a slap on the wrist - 2 years in jail and the rest suspended. He will NOT have good time in jail, I'm pleased to note.

The mother is already in for 8, I am sure he will get more. But yeah I'm hoping they get real nice cell mates. Im hoping for a mixture of Chopper Read(movie version) and Patrick O'Dwyer from Shameless for him, and female versions of the same for her.

Professey Chin

Wait.....he already had 87 convictions??
Eighty fcuking Seven related to abuse. What the fcuk was he even being allowed near any human being, never mind kids?

Potential-Monke

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Wait.....he already had 87 convictions??
Eighty fcuking Seven related to abuse. What the fcuk was he even being allowed near any human being, never mind kids?

Irish Justice System, meet The Great Chinholio.

The Great Chinholio, meet the Irish Justice System.

The fact that he pleaded guilty, even at the last minute, will mean he will get a reduced sentence. If the wife got 24 years and 18 suspended, i'd imagine he'll get the same. But it does baffle me why he was even out if he got sentenced to 14 years last year. Gotta love Ireland.

Professey Chin

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Irish Justice System, meet The Great Chinholio.

The Great Chinholio, meet the Irish Justice System.

Ah hello Irish Justice system....
/burns house down

Formosa

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Wait.....he already had 87 convictions??
Eighty fcuking Seven related to abuse. What the fcuk was he even being allowed near any human being, never mind kids?

But it's part of their culture, don't you know....

syklops

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Irish Justice System, meet The Great Chinholio.

The Great Chinholio, meet the Irish Justice System.

The fact that he pleaded guilty, even at the last minute, will mean he will get a reduced sentence. If the wife got 24 years and 18 suspended, i'd imagine he'll get the same. But it does baffle me why he was even out if he got sentenced to 14 years last year. Gotta love Ireland.

He was sentenced to 14 years last year and was in prison. The daughters made the accusations against him and he denied it so this is a new trial. The few days in court get him out of the prison I suppose.

Now that he has pleaded guilty I wonder what sort of welcome he will get when he returns. When he went in last year it was probably "Oh, the guards stitched me up because I am a traveller, only did a few minor offences". Now that he has pleaded guilty to 20 years of rape and abuse I'd imagine he will lose a few friends.

PeakOutput

syklops wrote: »

He was sentenced to 14 years last year and was in prison. The daughters made the accusations against him and he denied it so this is a new trial. The few days in court get him out of the prison I suppose.

Now that he has pleaded guilty I wonder what sort of welcome he will get when he returns. When he went in last year it was probably "Oh, the guards stitched me up because I am a traveller, only did a few minor offences". Now that he has pleaded guilty to 20 years of rape and abuse I'd imagine he will lose a few friends.

as far as I know all the sick sex offenders get put together for their own safety so I doubt they will care ll that much.

would be nice to let him into the general population right after the news of the world or the sun has been handed out for the day with the story on the front page

tfitzgerald

He Deserves to be hung and slowly if that's possible .Reading the way he treated those poor girls was terrible, he has destroyed their lives.