maschine mikro??

A V A

i want to start producuing beats on a sampler etc, i want to get the akai mpc 1000 but i was told not to get it and get a maschine!! i really dont know what to do , which is easier ??i know the maschine can do much for but i dont know, i was thinking of a maschine mickro??
how do they work?do you load samples on with an sd card like a mpc, or do you load your samples from your computer onto it

Splinters

Maschine and Maschine Mikro are both Hardware controllers for Maschine software. They are extremely usefull and the software sample library that comes with either is top quality. You can also use your own samples, chop and slice them up, edit them however you want, map samples to the pads etc...it really is a versatile piece of kit however it cannot be used without a pc/mac as it is essentially just a controller. The MPC's are pure hardware so you can work soley on the MPC without plugging it into anything. Depending on your workflow this option may or may not suit you more. As far as Im aware all MPCs all have midi out so you can also use them as midi controllers too.

Personally Id base my option on what Im already using and how I see it fitting into my workflow. I was going to go for Maschine myself but when I really looked into how I would be using it I already had most if not all of the functionality that Maschine would have offered in Ableton Live 8 (the drum racks tool in Ableton is amazing) so just went for an Akai APC32 controller and saved myself 250 euro.

krd

The MPC is a piece of hardware - "hard" being the operative word.

If you get an MPC you may get a serious shock with how hard they are to use - and that you have to learn them inside out. There's no easy layout, no mouse and click. They take a lot more skill to use than a DAW.

A V A

Splinters wrote: »

Maschine and Maschine Mikro are both Hardware controllers for Maschine software. They are extremely usefull and the software sample library that comes with either is top quality. You can also use your own samples, chop and slice them up, edit them however you want, map samples to the pads etc...it really is a versatile piece of kit however it cannot be used without a pc/mac as it is essentially just a controller. The MPC's are pure hardware so you can work soley on the MPC without plugging it into anything. Depending on your workflow this option may or may not suit you more. As far as Im aware all MPCs all have midi out so you can also use them as midi controllers too.

Personally Id base my option on what Im already using and how I see it fitting into my workflow. I was going to go for Maschine myself but when I really looked into how I would be using it I already had most if not all of the functionality that Maschine would have offered in Ableton Live 8 (the drum racks tool in Ableton is amazing) so just went for an Akai APC32 controller and saved myself 250 euro.

cheers for that man

you see im just starting out , iv been trying to use logic 9 ultra beat ,but its just a pain in the a*se ,so many problems
i would love to just get an apc32 and use it with ableton but i cant get my head around ableton atall ,some people just pick it up and are able to use it but i just cant get it,it just confuses me. any more tips?
and i have been told the machine is a brilliant peice of kit etc and what it can do is good but i was told sometimes ableton can do the same thing and just get the apc32 :S

Jagle

A V A wrote: »

cheers for that man

you see im just starting out , iv been trying to use logic 9 ultra beat ,but its just a pain in the a*se ,so many problems
i would love to just get an apc32 and use it with ableton but i cant get my head around ableton atall ,some people just pick it up and are able to use it but i just cant get it,it just confuses me. any more tips?
and i have been told the machine is a brilliant peice of kit etc and what it can do is good but i was told sometimes ableton can do the same thing and just get the apc32 :S

sounds like its a question only you can answer,
if you cant use ableton then ableton and an apc 32 might not be best for your workflow. why spend the next month learning ableton inside and out with the controller just to use drum racks when you work with logic 9 mostly..
think you need to figure out for yourself whats best

Splinters

To be honest they pretty much all do the same thing....what seperates them is how you do it. Maschine has a very slick workflow which seems to be what most of its users swear by. If you're starting out then you have the advantage of not having to fit anything into an existing workflow. Again its totally up to yourself but Id certainly go down the whole DAW + controller route.

What was it that threw you off Ableton? Its interface is quite odd compared to most linear sequencers (Cubase, Pro Tools, Logic etc) but I really would persevere with it if you can. I used to do all my electro stuff in Ableton and use Cubase for heavier rock stuff but the more and more I used Ableton the more I fell in love with the workflow. It just works for me, and its hands down the most flexible DAW out there too.

Splinters

AVA if you're based in or around Dublin I can burn you a copy of a few of the video tutorials I have for Ableton. I really do think its worth sticking with. He may or may not be your cup of tea but I got to meet Skrillex last week after his gig in The Academy and was asking him about his setup. He just uses purely Ableton for his DJ sets, nothing else, no additional plugins or VSTs. I was quite impressed with that.

Jagle

F using it cos skrillex uses it, use it cos for getting ideas down its the best, for the workflow, for the ease of use its just wicked.
arrange view is like any other daw, and session view is where things get funky

Splinters

I didnt mean that as a reason to use it, the features of the program have enough merits of their own. I just thought it was impressive that he doesnt use anything else whatsoever in his set, no additional glitch VSTs, no 3rd party plugins at all. It just shows how versitile Ableton is.

Jagle

Splinters wrote: »

I didnt mean that as a reason to use it, the features of the program have enough merits of their own. I just thought it was impressive that he doesnt use anything else whatsoever in his set, no additional glitch VSTs, no 3rd party plugins at all. It just shows how versitile Ableton is.

ah sorry thought you were taking the approach of X and Y use it so its great.
indeed the versititly of ableton makes it the sweetest tool for live and studio use.
look at monolakes live stuff, very impressive

krd

A V A wrote: »

i cant get my head around ableton atall ,some people just pick it up and are able to use it but i just cant get it,it just confuses me. any more tips?

Just go through the tutorials, they won't make sense at first, then it'll click - and don't be worried about lots of the dials and buttons on things.

Bite the bullet. A good lesson with someone who is good with Ableton, could take you around pretty quickly.

Something like a Maschine is as hard or harder than Ableton. But Maschine is a great bit of kit. People find it really good to be creative with.

A V A

tbh lads all i wana do is trap style beats ,post dub style ,etc,not mad like,iv made the mistake in getting expensive gear and starting out with pro gear and not knowing how to use it ,iv been just kidding my self.
do you know the way you can do the different tempos on hi hats on the mpc 100 ,can you do that on the mpc 500? i know the maschine is good but iv a 17"mac and i dont want to be logong that around with me to mates or what ever ,if i was using the machine would i have to send that into my logic ,since there is no 1/4 inch jack to put straight into my interface

krd

A V A wrote: »

do you know the way you can do the different tempos on hi hats on the mpc 100 ,can you do that on the mpc 500?

The fast spinning up hi-hats. I think it's done by holding a looping hi-hat (probably with empty air at the end of the sample), while spinning the dial on the loop length.

There may be another way of doing it - and arpegiator on the MPC - lets you hold a hi-hat, and change the pattern while it's playing.

These things are a bitch, most people discover how to do them by accident. Though I think ages ago I saw a Youtube video of someone doing that stuff with and MPC

Play around with it - and always try things you're not strictly supposed to do.

A V A

as someone said the mpc1000 and above are a b*tch to use and need knowing, but on the mpc 1ooo for the different tempo's,theres button under screen with different tempos available to press if you get me

still melted on what to do or what to get

krd

A V A wrote: »

as someone said the mpc1000 and above are a b*tch to use and need knowing, but on the mpc 1ooo for the different tempo's,theres button under screen with different tempos available to press if you get me

still melted on what to do or what to get

After buying a musical instrument - now comes the hard bit.....You have to learn how to play it.

The MPC's are samplers. Experiment with it and build up grooves. Try and learn it inside out. Try to build full tracks - although your first attempts will probably be awful - it's a learning curve you have to get over.

For building full tracks, something like Ableton is worth learning. You may have had some free DAW software with your MPC's, like Cakewalk

You walk into a shop and purchase whatever your money can buy you......But the pscience and the gnowledge is not for sale ......anywhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO5PCru_Z-E

Adyx

FWIW, Ableton have 25% off everything at the moment including the Intro version for €74 (or €68 on Tomannn) if you don't have it already. I recently got the upgrade to the full version for €152 including a coupon I got with a Korg nanoPad I paid €35 for!

Of course this discount probably means Live 9 will be out any day now.