McIlroy et al

conno16

start wearing an extra pair of underpants boys
woods is back

irish bloke

conno16 wrote: »

start wearing an extra pair of underpants boys
woods is back

And it begins!!!!;)

dvemail

We can finally remove that Astrix for all future tournament winners now that the real Tiger is back. :rolleyes:

Borisss

Let the begrudging begin.

The greatest of all time is back, just what golf needs.

ziggy

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FixdePitchmark

The life of top pros and hoes will be harder now.

PRAF

As good as Tiger is / was, I could never really warm to him. Best I could ever do was give a kind of grudging respect. Probably good for the sport to have him back winning, but on a personal level, I couldn't care less.

I hope the other players have learned a few things from the last few years. If I start seeing the likes of Rory, Kaymer, Day, Fowler etc crumbling on the back 9 of a big tournament like the rest of them did from 1997 to 2007, I'll turn off the tv!

k.p.h

McIlroy is the only good enough to challenge him consistently TBH . Only a handful on their day.

Half troll, half truth.

stockdam

Yawn........the world is quaking.

Trampas

I am sure they are all worried after edlrick beat let him win his mates this week.

mike12

He won against a field of 18 with none of the top players in the world in the field, nothing to write home about.
Mike

Eric the Eagle

Mike,

He won in a field of 18 that contained 8 of the top 20 players in the world.

Steve Stricker 6
Jason Day 7
Webb Simpson 9
Nick Watney 10
Matt Kuchar 11
KJ Choi 15
Bubba Watson 18
Hunter Mahan 19

Granted it only had 4 players in the top 10 and none of the top 5 but it was hardly a field of muppets!

It also had major winners in Zach Johnson and Jim Furyk.

Russman

A field of 18, 17 of whom have had long hard seasons and are probably in "silly season" mode.

Deco1983

dvemail wrote: »

We can finally remove that Astrix for all future tournament winners now that the real Tiger is back. :rolleyes:

now now dvemail - probably better that you understand the point made and the concept behind the astrix before you try to be a smartass

PM me if you want me to explain it to you 1:1

nice roll eyes icon though..well done

Deco1983

Russman wrote: »

A field of 18, 17 of whom have had long hard seasons and are probably in "silly season" mode.

WOW - that's really pathetic stuff Russman

irish bloke

Eric the Eagle wrote: »

Mike,

He won in a field of 18 that contained 8 of the top 20 players in the world.

Steve Stricker 6
Jason Day 7
Webb Simpson 9
Nick Watney 10
Matt Kuchar 11
KJ Choi 15
Bubba Watson 18
Hunter Mahan 19

Granted it only had 4 players in the top 10 and none of the top 5 but it was hardly a field of muppets!

It also had major winners in Zach Johnson and Jim Furyk.

Good point!!!

Was Tiger the lowest ranked player in the field??

Benny Cake

Time will tell if Tiger can challenge for world number 1 again, it will definitely make next seasons majors all the more interesting now!

heavyballs

Deco1983 wrote: »

WOW - that's really pathetic stuff Russman

why's that Deco?
you're last 2 posts are very defensive.......he makes a valid point
the only person who this win means anything to is Tiger,how would Tiger have done against a long straight driver like Westwood or McElroy over the last few holes?that would be a real test.....i'm happy he won but it's not a proper comp so no need for the excitement
very impressed with his shot into the 17th after Zach hit a decent one in there to put him under

abouttobebanned

Let's look at the facts.

It was a small field.

A field of players who have been playing constantly all year. Tiger has not.

It's his own tournament which he has won many times before.

He played some horrendous shots over the course of the week.

That birdie-birdie finish was awesome.

To sum up, I'm not convinced.

I'll never understand the constant love in for Tiger Woods. I personally think he's a nasty vile person.

However, I love watching golf, and I appreciate that in order to keep getting the big sponsors, we need him contending at all these events.

It is exciting when he's in contention, but it's incredibly annoying listening to commentators salivating over him and constantly showing re-runs of his shots and worse of all, showing all of his shots when he's 10+ strokes out of contention.

heavyballs

irish bloke wrote: »

Good point!!!

Was Tiger the lowest ranked player in the field??

why???it's an invitational but for what it's worth yes he was.

heavyballs

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'll never understand the constant love in for Tiger Woods. I personally think he's a nasty vile person.

However, I love watching golf, and I appreciate that in order to keep getting the big sponsors, we need him contending at all these events.

It is exciting when he's in contention, but it's incredibly annoying listening to commentators salivating over him and constantly showing re-runs of his shots and worse of all, showing all of his shots when he's 10+ shots out of contention.

fact is that when Tiger plays the gate takes in between 40-50% more in revenue so it's understandable that he gets more coverage,i for one love watching him

Deco1983

Golf needs Tiger Woods...end of story

abouttobebanned

Deco1983 wrote: »

Golf needs Tiger Woods...end of story

And people like Mat Kuchar who won close to 5 million last year without winning a tournament have a lot to thank Woods for.

Personally, I can't stand him, but it's obvious as to why the sport needs him so badly.

Russman

Deco1983 wrote: »

WOW - that's really pathetic stuff Russman

Naturally enough I disagree.

He played well all week, and golf is no doubt better for having him back, but its hardly an important tournament in the bigger picture. Lets be honest, its an end of season money spinner for a very worthy cause(s) and has become a good TV spectacle as the course looks great etc.
eg I think Keegan Bradley finished last but I wouldn't think he was too concerned given what he won during the regular season.

ThunderCat

Im glad he's back to (some sort of) form. Don't like the man but I dont think id ever tire watching his ball striking with his irons - class.

stockdam

Deco1983 wrote: »

Golf needs Tiger Woods...end of story

Golf needs nobody.......sponsors and TV need him and that's only because people won't support the other players.

dnjoyce

stockdam wrote: »

Golf needs nobody.......sponsors and TV need him and that's only because people won't support the other players.

Agreed, golf was here before Woods and will be just fine when he is gone as well. The only people who "need" Woods are fair weather golf fans who don't appreciate the skills of the other top professionals. Sure, these people increase the viewing numbers and ticket sales, thereby increasing the purses the players play for, but we're not talking about the survival of the sport here, just a few hundred thousand more $$ for the multi-millionaires - nobody is going hungry here.
On a weekend where McIlroy and Westwood put in excellent performances (albeit Westwoods in an even more limited event), I'm looking forward to next season regardless of whether Woods is competitive or not.

Martin567

Deco1983 wrote: »

Golf needs Tiger Woods...end of story

So what, may I ask, will happen to golf in 5-10 years time when Tiger is finished for good? However he does in the next few years, he is on the last few laps of an incredible career. He is a long way more than halfway through his career. Should professional golf simply disband at that time?

I remember watching a lot of professional golf before I'd ever even heard the name Tiger Woods. I wonder how the game survived through those times. I couldn't care less if the first prize falls to $500k from $1m post Tiger. It won't make it any less enthralling to watch. In fact, tv coverage will probably be far more interesting since it will then be directed more towards the real golf fans instead of pandering to those who only want to see Tiger.

irish bloke

heavyballs wrote: »

why???it's an invitational but for what it's worth yes he was.

Don't get this "it was an invitational" bit.
Does this mean the players in the field play worse or don’t care as much? Ranking points out there for all at this event. Im sure G Mac and more were invited.

Also this crap about its Tigers tournament, what does this mean??? Does this mean he gets an extra shot on index 1-5 holes.... come on…….

Deco1983

Martin567 wrote: »

So what, may I ask, will happen to golf in 5-10 years time when Tiger is finished for good? .

I knew that would flush you out Martin567 - you sleep well last night?

Not sure but my guess would be


More Major* Winners
Demographically the ethnic spread of the game will reduce
Less Employment in Golf Sector
Less Golf on TV
Less Golf Tournaments...so
Local economy will suffer
Less Prize Money
Junior Golf numbers will decrease
Professionals standard of the game may drop
Less Golf Courses globally
Nike Shares will fall through the floor impacting employment,economy etc
Less local members in clubs
Even more local clubs in trouble
Less cash to Charity


The game will always go on but will be dramatically impacted once Woods goes...To say that you watched the game prior to Woods being around is missing the point..We've discovered by now that you don't care for the man and that fine.... but he does deserves a bit more respect

Russman

Deco1983 wrote: »

I knew that would flush you out Martin567 - you sleep well last night?

Not sure but my guess would be


More Major* Winners - the asterix is really sad, do all majors pre 1997 get one too ?
Demographically the ethnic spread of the game will reduce - possibly
Less Employment in Golf Sector - possibly
Less Golf on TV - arguable
Less Golf Tournaments - arguable
Local economy will suffer - arguable
Less Prize Money - probably
Junior Golf numbers will decrease - doubt it
Professionals standard of the game may drop - no
Less Golf Courses globally - no
Nike Shares will fall through the floor impacting employment,economy etc - wouldn't think so
Less local members in clubs - nothing to do with TW
Even more local clubs in trouble - nothing to do with TW
Less cash to Charity - probably


The game will always go on but will be dramatically impacted once Woods goes...To say that you watched the game prior to Woods being around is missing the point..We've discovered by now that you don't care for the man and that fine.... but he does deserves a bit more respect

As you say, the game will go on regardless. It will miss the excitement and drama he brings and nobody could overstate his impact on audiences, revenues etc. I'm not his biggest fan but one round watching TW is more interesting that watching a thousand Webb Simpsons or Keegan Bradleys grind it out and he deserves huge respect for all of that, I don't think anyone on here would question that TBH.

Martin567

Deco1983 wrote: »

The game will always go on but will be dramatically impacted once Woods goes...To say that you watched the game prior to Woods being around is missing the point..We've discovered by now that you don't care for the man and that fine.... but he does deserves a bit more respect

I fail to see how I have disrespected Tiger in any way. He is undoubtedly the best player I've seen since I've been following golf and I've acknowledged this on several occasions. I don't think he's a very appealing character but that's just my opinion and irrelevant in the greater scheme of things.

Have you still not worked it out? It's not Tiger I have the problem with but the sycophants in the media (such as all the US networks & also Mark Roe last night!) and his "fans" who idolise him above the game itself.

conno16

stockdam wrote: »

Golf needs nobody.......sponsors and TV need him and that's only because people won't support the other players.

talkin thru ur ass if you believe that nonsense
golf as we know it (big comps, great tv coverage, etc) needs woods
without him coverage would drop considerably
the golf industry, looking at it from a macro point of view, is obviously fooked without sponsors and tv
woods is sponsors and tv
big phil is a poor second
and all those other pretenders like mcilroy, westie, poults, kaymer etc are so far down the list its embarrassing

woods has single handedly transformed golf
sure nicklaus, player etc had provided the platform
but woods has pushed the golf industry onto a whole new level

at the min no one is capable of taking his place (but inevitably someone will come along who can take his place in time - for example, who would have thought 15 yrs ago that Jack Nicklaus would ever have been replaced as the worlds greatest golfer of all time ever)

so as long as hes around and respectable on the course, he'll be calling the shots
he is the michael jackson of golf

PhilipMarlowe

Great TV Coverage my arse; it's way past saturation point because it seems there's no break between one season ending and the next beginning. It used to be better in my opinion when the 'season opener' was the Mercedes and it was held in February, not the first week of Jan... then Sawgrass and the the Masters.

Johnny Boring playing for a big chunk of twine at some hyped-up "tournament" doesn't interest me much.

conno16

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

Johnny Boring playing for a big chunk of twine at some hyped-up "tournament" doesn't interest me much.

you prob dont understand the game fully or are just disillusioned with it due to overall ****eness on the course

stockdam

conno16 wrote: »

talkin thru ur ass if you believe that nonsense
golf as we know it (big comps, great tv coverage, etc) needs woods
without him coverage would drop considerably

Leave out the dumb childish comments.

Woods hasn't done anything for two years and golf hasn't imploded. Some of us have wider tastes and appreciate other players. I watch golf for the spectacle and not to see one idiot who couldn't control his personal life. If he plays then great, if he doesn't make the cut then too bad, if he wins then fair play......but there are many other fine players. What I cannot stand is the US TV following his every shot.

Woods has won once in two years and that was in a restricted event.......hardly a case for celebration.

conno16

stockdam wrote: »

Leave out the dumb childish comments.

What I cannot stand is the US TV following his every shot.

stockdam - they follow him because the vast vast majority of people wish to see his every shot

abouttobebanned

conno16 wrote: »

stockdam - they follow him because the vast vast majority of people wish to see his every shot

I'd like to see some stats to back this up.

Maybe the people on course want to see his every shot...but true golf fans want to just see the players in contention.

Deco1983

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'd like to see some stats to back this up.

Maybe the people on course want to see his every shot...but true golf fans want to just see the players in contention.

The people on the course are not true fans now is it?Jesus wept

he's the greatest player than has and (maybe) will ever play the game - we should be looking to enjoy every swing this guy makes..too soon he will be gone

sausagehead

george carlin on golf

downthemiddle

Deco1983 wrote: »

The people on the course are not true fans now is it?Jesus wept

he's the greatest player than has and (maybe) will ever play the game - we should be looking to enjoy every swing this guy makes..too soon he will be gone

This is your opinion. As someone old enough to remember Nicklaus I would disagree. However neither of us can prove our opinions because that's exactly what they are, opinions.

BTW Conno nice troll.

Deco1983

downthemiddle wrote: »

This is your opinion. As someone old enough to remember Nicklaus I would disagree. However neither of us can prove our opinions because that's exactly what they are, opinions.

yep - fair remarks

old enough to remember Jack - unfortunately!!

..But i don't even think its close..woods at his peak was out of this world...for whats its worth I also strongly believe that Mickelson is a better player than Jack was as well.

irish bloke

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'd like to see some stats to back this up.

Maybe the people on course want to see his every shot...but true golf fans want to just see the players in contention.

Ild like to see some stats on that comment!!!

Define a true golf fan?

I like to watch all Tiger's shots. Love to watch how he struggles with his game so much and how he pulls these remarkable shots out of the bag to stay in touch and how he is always full of passion.

Rather watch that than watch KJ plod balls off the tee and hit rescues into greens picking up the odd birdie with about as much flair and emotion as a dead cat.

Does that mean I am not a true golf fan?

irish bloke

stockdam wrote: »

I watch golf for the spectacle and not to see one idiot who couldn't control his personal life.

Does that really have anything got to do with golf?:rolleyes:

dnjoyce

irish bloke wrote: »

Ild like to see some stats on that comment!!!

Define a true golf fan?

I like to watch all Tiger's shots. Love to watch how he struggles with his game so much and how he pulls these remarkable shots out of the bag to stay in touch and how he is always full of passion.

Rather watch that than watch KJ plod balls off the tee and hit rescues into greens picking up the odd birdie with about as much flair and emotion as a dead cat.

Does that mean I am not a true golf fan?

a bit off-topic, but in fairness to KJ, he hit one of the best bunker shots I've ever seen on Friday while playing with Woods - no green to work with, smashed it from about 10 yards and landed it on a six-pence - I'll see if I can find a link. It was just after a wonder flop shot from Woods as well, short game skills at their best.

Deco1983

dnjoyce wrote: »

a bit off-topic, but in fairness to KJ, he hit one of the best bunker shots I've ever seen on Friday while playing with Woods - no green to work with, smashed it from about 10 yards and landed it on a six-pence - I'll see if I can find a link. It was just after a wonder flop shot from Woods as well, short game skills at their best.

Man he loves those hybrids - takes them to bed and all I'd say..the dirty dog

Webbs

Deco1983 wrote: »

downthemiddle wrote: »

This is your opinion. As someone old enough to remember Nicklaus I would disagree. However neither of us can prove our opinions because that's exactly what they are, opinions.

yep - fair remarks

old enough to remember Jack - unfortunately!!

..But i don't even think its close..woods at his peak was out of this world...for whats its worth I also strongly believe that Mickelson is a better player than Jack was as well.

Jack accumulated his majors at a time when I think (again just an opinion) there were more truly world class players in contention. Both Jack and Tiger had that something that made them unbeatable down the stretch.

What I want when a tournament is on is to see the best players at that moment in time, so if tiger is in 20th place I dont want to see his shots or him mentioned every 5mins. Its the pressure of the run in that makes a tournament exciting not someone 10shots off the lead duck hooking into the trees

Martin567

irish bloke wrote: »

Ild like to see some stats on that comment!!!

Define a true golf fan?

I like to watch all Tiger's shots. Love to watch how he struggles with his game so much and how he pulls these remarkable shots out of the bag to stay in touch and how he is always full of passion.

Does that mean I am not a true golf fan?

If you would rather watch a struggling Tiger than the players at the top of the leaderboard in any given week, then the answer to your question is a simple "yes". That would make you a true and devoted Tiger fan but absolutely not a true golf fan.

Benny Cake

Some Tiger Woods specials from Paddypower for all you Tiger fans...

To make the US Ryder Cup team in 2012: 1/40
Not to win a major in 2012: 8/15
To win a major in 2012 : 11/8
To be World Number 1 on the 31st December 2012: 9/2
To win all 4 majors in 2012: 80:1

conno16

any odds on mcilroy pissing his pants again during the final round at augusta?

Benny Cake

conno16 wrote: »

any odds on mcilroy pissing his pants again during the final round at augusta?

About the same as the odds on you passing your junior cert this year! :D