ATTENTION ALL HUNTERS!!

djflawless

if any of ye are on facebook twud be a good idea to get on the nargc's page and see the post of new regulations.and if someone can throw up a link please!
Basically new e.u regulations state we'll all have to do a new course (which we have to pay for) that makes sure all of us know that anything we hunt with fur or feather, is fit for human consumption. . .
Ballcocks!!

kildare.17hmr

WTF???

djflawless

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

WTF???

exactly what i said but with more f's b's c's and general blasphemy

Spunk84

Safe Handling of Wild Game Certification

The EU has introduced Regulation (EC)853(2004) which stipulates that hunters must be trained so that they are qualified to inspect game before it enters the food chain. Member States are obliged to put in place a trained hunter qualification process to meet this requirement. The purpose is to enforce traceability and hygienic practices in the production of wild game meat for public consumption. The Regulation applies to all game – fur and feather; large and small. The Food Safety Authority of Ireland is the statutory body with responsibility for oversight of this. The Principles of the Safe Handling of Wild Game Meat for Entry into the Food Chain Qualification is a course delivered by NARGC and accredited by City & Guilds which meets the requirements of the Regulation. It deals with all stages of the production of game meat for human consumption from ante to post mortem. The syllabus covers normal anatomy of animals and birds; field handling and hygienic transport; large and small carcase handling and inspection, including abnormalities of organs and diseases; actions to be taken on disease detection; carcase inspection demonstration; legal requirements; record keeping; veterinary supervision and involvement; factors affecting quality of game meat; larder design, equipment and hygiene.

The assessment will be carried out independently by City & Guilds who will award a certificate to those who successfully complete the examination. Only those hunters who have qualified may sign the statutory declaration which is required for wild game meat destined for human consumption.

To book the course and/or purchase the course handbook, the booking form can be downloaded here. The Course dates will be advised to applicants and published on the NARGC web site. Cheques should be made payable to NARGC and returned together with the booking form to:

NARGC,

Brosna Way,

Ferbane Business & Technology Park,

Ballycumber Road

Ferbane,

Co Offaly.

(Posted 20/11/11)

kildare.17hmr

never mind spunk got there first!!

Is it just me or is anyone else reading it as it would just apply to lads selling to game dealers and not eating it themselves?

It wasn't me!

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

never mind spunk got there first!!

Is it just me or is anyone else reading it as it would just apply to lads selling to game dealers and not eating it themselves?

Yep, public consumption. You can eat the radioactive half-donkey/half-deer glow in the dark two headed mutant yourself, just don't try feed it to anyone else.

djflawless

well they state 'hunters' so would that not be us all?and i cant give the granny a pheasant for christmas?baah humbug

kildare.17hmr

entering the food chain usually means to be sold afaik

Grizzly 45

On the City and Guilds qualification..London C&G has never heard of this course!!!!:eek:.C&G say if it is genuine it will have a approved C&G course number that can be verified with them.So if you are going to do this course.ASK for the verification number...

snipeface

Whats the panic lads?
FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION
In fairness some of you probably sell the odd bit, but it's like everything else, the eurocrats have to have their arse's covered in case of some outbreak or other. It's just another silly piece of legislation.
I dont sell so it wont bother me.

OR IS IT COMPULSORY???

Spunk84

actual looks like an alright course. Would be good for 1 club member from each GC to be sponsored to attend:)

djflawless

fair point to that spunk. .and cheers for that grizzly.might be a handy thing to remember for any one going ahead with it

Ronnie Beck

Seems to me to be for commercial Hunters. No panic lads. Its all health and safety nowadays:D

The_Snapper

djflawless wrote: »

if any of ye are on facebook twud be a good idea to get on the nargc's page and see the post of new regulations.and if someone can throw up a link please!
Basically new e.u regulations state we'll all have to do a new course (which we have to pay for) that makes sure all of us know that anything we hunt with fur or feather, is fit for human consumption. . .
Ballcocks!!

The NARGC has taken a lead role in Ireland and developed an intensive and internationally accredited course called "The Principles of the Safe Handling of Wild Game Meat for Entry into the Food Chain Qualification". This is a requirement only for individuals putting game/venison directly into the food chain (e.g. sale to registered game dealers). However, other members may wish to take the course simply to improve their knowledge of game handling. Following safe handling and processing protocols for wild game/venison can help minimize the risk of food-borne illness and exposure to animal health issues. The intensive syllabus covers normal anatomy of animals and birds; field handling and hygienic transport; large and small carcase handling and inspection, including abnormalities of organs and diseases; actions to be taken on disease detection; carcase inspection demonstration; legal requirements; record keeping; veterinary supervision and involvement; factors affecting quality of game meat; larder design, equipment and hygiene. More details are available on the NARGC website.

Source (You may need a FB account to read this)

Cass

Before this thread goes on topic by lads accusing other posters, members of gun clubs or gun clubs themselves - DON'T.

This thread has the potential to be a good source of info, and a basis for people looking for info about the courses/expected courses.

Cass

At the start of the season Grizzly45 (I think) put up the form we all have to fill out when dropping of any deer to the dealers. I see this as the training/course that was mentioned in that form as the "Trained Person/hunter" that must sign for or account for the animal being submitted to the dealers.

We were told at the time that as no such course was available, but this to me would seem to be that course. I cannot see it having an immediate effect on lads that use game dealers, but next season and for a few after that it will while they get through all those that need it.

bigfoot 1

the course is run by THE NARGC . you would be better off looking at csi on your TV . what gun club sell to the public ???????????????????

Grizzly 45

TBH,I really cant see wether you will have any benefit of this if you sell the odd carcass to a dealer.It still allows for non qualified hunters to sell,just that it has to be dept of Ag vet inspected,maybe like 5days into the future when he does his rounds.
Nothing stopping you eating your own shot deer or selling it to a GD.

In short more EU crap to Europeanise us all.:rolleyes:

cavan shooter

I had a good few lads query me on this so I asked for a clarification......

You need only do this if your selling game to a game dealer i.e putting the product into the public arena.

Not a bad idea... A butcher needs training and Hygiene standards need to be maintained, if you run a deli or sell cooked meat there is regulations, if you milk cows you need to meet certain criteria.

Why should anyone who supplies/sells game for consumption by the Public be different???

cavan shooter

bigfoot 1 wrote: »

the course is run by THE NARGC . you would be better off looking at csi on your TV . what gun club sell to the public ???????????????????

Gun Club Members might sell deer.

Correction the course is ran by City and Guilds and facilitated through the NARGC. That is how a C+G Course is ran, You will see that they are quite a respectable provider and their Quality Assurance is second to none you'll find the tutors need to be accredited.

hunterpajero

340 euro think i will be sticking them deer in the freezer from now on for myself,bit steep for a one day course

323

Reasonable explaination of who it effects here,

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=basc%20wild%20game%20handling%20training&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.basc.org.uk%2Fdownload.cfm%2Fdocid%2F3876FE60-5B00-431B-91CF88023A7055FC&ei=tyvdTvm0HMiChQeAlMDxCg&usg=AFQjCNHQuzl75hwXDjYJcGHLmangPyzWsg&cad=rja

not exactly new EU legislation. Came into effect 5 years ago elsewhere.
Was mentioned here a few weeks ago. Been considering doing it in the UK, before hearing of this, no intention of selling meat, was planning to do it to learn a bit more while over there for a hunt.

As vocational certification under C&G, does anyone know if the BASC course would be accepted here as well extablished and half the price.

bigfoot 1

cavan shooter wrote: »

Gun Club Members might sell deer.

Correction the course is ran by City and Guilds and facilitated through the NARGC. That is how a C+G Course is ran, You will see that they are quite a respectable provider and their Quality Assurance is second to none you'll find the tutors need to be accredited.

SO i guess you might do the course .A lot of money for a past time 340 yo yo dont you think .NO recession were you are i guess.. YE must hunt a lot of deer OR sell a lot...................... :eek::eek::eek:

Grizzly 45

cavan shooter wrote: »

I had a good few lads query me on this so I asked for a clarification......

You need only do this if your selling game to a game dealer i.e putting the product into the public arena.

Not a bad idea... A butcher needs training and Hygiene standards need to be maintained, if you run a deli or sell cooked meat there is regulations, if you milk cows you need to meet certain criteria.

Why should anyone who supplies/sells game for consumption by the Public be different???

Not quite... Reading the document http://www.wilddeerireland.com/documentation/WGLI1%20WildDeerIntDoc.pdf

You do NOT need to be a trained person to sell this to a game dealer. [note 3]

3 Where a Trained Person is unable to sign this Declaration, the head and all the viscera except for the stomach and the intestines must accompany the carcase(s) to the game handling establishment.


So all you are doing is a Dept of Ag Vets inspection job for free to the State. It still doesnt entitle you to sell direct to the public like in the UK or the EU,as our legislation states that you must be a Game dealer to sell to the public.
Comparing it to the UK BASC you can see that a hunter can sell direct to the public with their course.Well and good if we could do the same here in the ROI,but we cant and this makes the course almost a waste of time and money apart from the info,which is too expensive for that course.

If you think the UK or EU shooters make any money on this.I'd doubt it as you have to set up a small butchering shop which wouldnt be cheap either.
http://www.bestpracticeguides.org.uk/Default.aspx
Thats the Scottish best practise guide link with all the revelant info.Its a good read and worthwhile,but how many of us are going to be able to set up like they describe.Good if you are going to be a full time GD,but as a stalker seeling the odd carcass or game bird??Dont think so!

Correction the course is ran by City and Guilds and facilitated through the NARGC. That is how a C+G Course is ran, You will see that they are quite a respectable provider and their Quality Assurance is second to none you'll find the tutors need to be accredited.

YET when London C&G was contacted here by yours truely last week...They have NO information or knowledge of this course being run in Ireland!!!! If it is a genuine course Ldn C&G states it must have a recognised C&G course number!!!Which whoever is supplying the course must include in any adverts for an approved C&G.

Hopefully ,this is an oversight by NARGC or whoever is running this for them,hate to think we are being japped by our own organisations.;):eek:
Reason I checked this ,is I have been done over properly by a Irish training agency [FAS] in which I learnt how to do a skill but am unable to practise it as C&G refused to recognise FAS as competant trainers or entitled to do the training,and I have no intention of being done over a second time and 380 quid is still a lot of dough these days.

Cavet Emptor applies:cool:

cavan shooter

bigfoot 1 wrote: »

SO i guess you might do the course .A lot of money for a past time 340 yo yo dont you think .NO recession were you are i guess.. YE must hunt a lot of deer OR sell a lot...................... :eek::eek::eek:

Ye see, I have no need to do the course and so I wont, I dont stalk deer and have shot 2 duck, 4 pheasants and a woodcock so far this season. All of which were delicious.

I dont belive in shooting for monetary gain its 100% sport for me. The friends of mine that shoot deer also don't sell to game dealers, they give it away. You see alot of stalkers I know are of the view that the ability to sell on deer is the route to alot of evil.

As for the cost I am a certain vintage that you reach where if you want something bad enough you save for it. If it was a requirement to have this for my sport yes I would pay for it is it much different to paying for the HCAP

bigfoot 1

cavan shooter wrote: »

Ye see, I have no need to do the course and so I wont, I dont stalk deer and have shot 2 duck, 4 pheasants and a woodcock so far this season. All of which were delicious.

I dont belive in shooting for monetary gain its 100% sport for me. The friends of mine that shoot deer also don't sell to game dealers, they give it away. You see alot of stalkers I know are of the view that the ability to sell on deer is the route to alot of evil.

As for the cost I am a certain vintage that you reach where if you want something bad enough you save for it. If it was a requirement to have this for my sport yes I would pay for it is it much different to paying for the HCAP

Question who do you pay for the course THE NARGC .So i think the nargc runs the course..By the way if its is run by lcg were is the course number PS . Heads up everyone has a bad season now and then :D:D:D:D LOL.