Co. Council Shovel Man Salary

Mr.Success

What would them fellas be earning? You know the fellas that spend 90% of the day leaning on a shovel pretending to work. There's far to many of them placed on such small little jobs. I often heard off insiders that if a job starts on a Monday and they can see themselves finishing on the Wednesday, they will drag out the work till Friday, so as to clock up hours but not break their back sides working.

CamperMan

probably more than you!

Mr.Success

And you

Lumbo

Mr.Success wrote: »

What would them fellas be earning? You know the fellas that spend 90% of the day leaning on a shovel pretending to work. There's far to many of them placed on such small little jobs. I often heard off insiders that if a job starts on a Monday and they can see themselves finishing on the Wednesday, they will drag out the work till Friday, so as to clock up hours but not break their back sides working.

:rolleyes:

tenchi-fan

I'm not entirely sure as I didn't see such folk.

However, I would imagine jobs like this are some sort of CE scheme.

doolox

Your "info" is outdated. Most road works is outsourced to private companies and done by machine nowadays.

I knew a guy who drove road vacuum sweepers for the council on contract and there was no lazing about or stretching out the job, Biggest issue was parking control and clearing overnight parked cars to have a clear road to sweep.

Only inner cities have sweepers directly hired now.

RATM

AFAIK street sweepers get paid okay, I heard a figure of €600pw (€30k gross pa) a few years back. No doubt the net has taken a hit with the USC and you'd be out in all weather too but still not bad- most jobs in the service sector pay less than this.

CamperMan

RATM wrote: »

AFAIK street sweepers get paid okay, I heard a figure of €600pw (€30k gross pa) a few years back. No doubt the net has taken a hit with the USC and you'd be out in all weather too but still not bad- most jobs in the service sector pay less than this.

give me half that and I would do twice the work

Dr conrad murray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRoSpvyaaJM

I have a family member in the council and is full of stories of the waste.

It will take 3 men a full day to build a manhole in a drain.
It takes one builder a couple of hours to do the same job.

Pay was quite good. Around 30k + overtime. Well cut back now though.

CamperMan

f*ck acting.... even the road works are a joke, there was one small section of road in Mohill, Co. Leitrim in the town, outside a new store, about 20 to 30 council guys wasted money ballsing about for weeks and achieved nothing, they then got a firm from up north to finish the job, and they had it done within days!

another job was at a junction, small section, the council goofs worked on the section for many months, digging up the earth, putting gravel down, digging it all back up to lay rocks.. grading, and then more grading, then widening the stretch... and I still don't think it's finished over a year later!

a complete waste of tax payers money.

get the people on welfare to do these jobs.

doolox

doolox wrote: »

Your "info" is outdated. Most road works is outsourced to private companies and done by machine nowadays.

Not where I live. I had them around last year. 6 literal shovel leaners. One shovel mover.
Even the leaning was hardship for them.....They spent more time parked up in the truck drinking tea.

Lumbo

RATM wrote: »

AFAIK street sweepers get paid okay, I heard a figure of €600pw (€30k gross pa) a few years back. No doubt the net has taken a hit with the USC and you'd be out in all weather too but still not bad- most jobs in the service sector pay less than this.

:rolleyes:

A general operative (the lads who hold the shovel) makes €12.64 per hour (that's the max of the scale, you get that after about 10 years service). They do a 39 hour week, get 20 days holidays. There are differentials that are paid depending on what work they do (there's 64 different types) and some allowances. I estimate that's €24k gross.

I refer you to the 2010 LA payscales

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/LocalGovernment/Administration/FileDownLoad,22976,en.doc

A Labourer, the lowest grade of General Operatives, is on €28300 on starting.

After 11 years service, it rises to €29000,
Those figures are after the salary cuts announced in 2009.

Before 2009, it would be over €30k.

doolox

...cut the bushes around STOP signs and other safety signs like the councils do in England???

I would think that if councils who still employ direct labour for roadworks were to invest in proper machinery and companies to do the work then they could get rid of most of the "footsoldiers" if they still exist.

Political barriers and outdated work legislation are probably making progress impossible.

kadman

doolox wrote: »

...cut the bushes around STOP signs and other safety signs like the councils do in England???

I would think that if councils who still employ direct labour for roadworks were to invest in proper machinery and companies to do the work then they could get rid of most of the "footsoldiers" if they still exist.

Political barriers and outdated work legislation are probably making progress impossible.

Remember , the foot soldier cant move the digger. The digger driver cant move the shovel or the wheelbarrow. The lorry driver , cant move the digger, and the foot soldier cant drive the lorry. The supervisor cant/wont/dont do a god damn thing.

Its a union thing, that they stick to rigidly.

And outside contractors work along the same philosophy, so as not to rock the boat. And they will quarter fill a digger bucket in order to stretch out the job. I know , I was on a fas scheme with them in the late 90,s.

The local council team complained........that we were getting through the work quicker, so we were told to cool it.:eek:

It was like getting a chemical lobotomy.............insane.

kadman

kadman

salonfire wrote: »

I have a family member in the council and is full of stories of the waste.

It will take 3 men a full day to build a manhole in a drain.
It takes one builder a couple of hours to do the same job.

Pay was quite good. Around 30k + overtime. Well cut back now though.

These are not any old men..........they are highly trained men.

You wont be allowed to build a manhole, unless you have gone through the councils induction training scheme. Which is a college based training module in the local university/college for a period of about 6-10 weeks, if I recall correctly, could be longer.

And it doesn,t matter if you are Leonardo Da Vinci, you do the manhole building course, or you dont get to build manholes.

kadman

tenchi-fan

kadman wrote: »

These are not any old men..........they are highly trained men.

You wont be allowed to build a manhole, unless you have gone through the councils induction training scheme. Which is a college based training module in the local university/college for a period of about 6-10 weeks

"Highly trained" after doing a 6 week Fas course? I think with the council it's not what you know, it's who you know!

fret_wimp2

CamperMan wrote: »

f*ck acting.... even the road works are a joke, there was one small section of road in Mohill, Co. Leitrim in the town, outside a new store, about 20 to 30 council guys wasted money ballsing about for weeks and achieved nothing, they then got a firm from up north to finish the job, and they had it done within days!

another job was at a junction, small section, the council goofs worked on the section for many months, digging up the earth, putting gravel down, digging it all back up to lay rocks.. grading, and then more grading, then widening the stretch... and I still don't think it's finished over a year later!

a complete waste of tax payers money.

get the people on welfare to do these jobs.

Your a little too far west of the Shannon and the Pale to expect your tax euros to ensure people in the west have good roads!

(im from the west so i feel your pain, im not just being arrogant!)

RATM

Lumbo wrote: »

:rolleyes:

A general operative (the lads who hold the shovel) makes €12.64 per hour (that's the max of the scale, you get that after about 10 years service). They do a 39 hour week, get 20 days holidays. There are differentials that are paid depending on what work they do (there's 64 different types) and some allowances. I estimate that's €24k gross.

Cool. I was just going on a slot I saw on RTE's Nationwide a few years back where they followed a council street sweeper in Temple Bar for the day. The presenter cheekily asked about his wages, which IIRC he said just under €600pw.

The scales and allowances in the civil / public service can be truly flabbergasting - AFAIK the Gardai have 100+ different allowances available to them. Not all are universal but one that is is a €4k per year allowance for renting accomodation when training in Dublin stations. The funny thing is they get this allowance for the rest of their career, even when they are no longer renting in Dublin or elsewhere. It is an archaic system that desperately needs reform.

Cozzy2012

It took 9 men 10 weeks to make a 50 meter long footpath here in Milltown,Co.Kerry. 2 guys holding stop signs,one guy in a dumper truck,one guy in a JCB,one guy actually working and the rest leaning on shovels. I had to pass them everyday. Some days I'd laugh, other days I felt like getting out and asking them when they were gonna start the job... It should of taken them no longer than a week to do the work. Disgraceful. The 2 guys holding the stop signs are probably getting about 600 each every week for that... Just buy some traffic lights and save the country money!!

Mrs OBumble

Old thread - the OP has their answer, no point in leaving open. so ... closed.