Depleted Uranium Ammunition

Epicfoo

In war, the advantages of Depleted Uranium munitions help the United States stomp other countries into the ground.

The United States and its NATO allies maintain that Depleted Uranium dust (a by-product) doesn't cause cancer and birth defects, however, 136 countries are citing other research saying that it does.

Which side do you think is right?


Here is the wikipedia entry:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

dodgydes

Are you Tim Horgan?

amurph0

If you get hit by one in the face then I think cancer will be the least of your worries...

Nuttzz

I think you are looking for this forum http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Owryan

dodgydes wrote: »

Are you Tim Horgan?

Dim tim wouldve attempted to further is agenda with pointless and wholley unconnected links to try n get his arguement across.

Also surely he would ve name dropped someone he served tea to as a "source who gave him some top secret insider info "

Border-Rat

The Americans, with their nuclear-waste ammo, have attributed an increase in infantile cancer by several hundred percent. This poison has entered the water table of Basra and has a half life of tens of thousands of years, thus sentencing those people to that many years of mutation,

Disgusting, vile. Sickening.

goldie fish

Border-Rat wrote: »

The Americans, with their nuclear-waste ammo, have attributed an increase in infantile cancer by several hundred percent. This poison has entered the water table of Basra and has a half life of tens of thousands of years, thus sentencing those people to that many years of mutation,

Disgusting, vile. Sickening.

WHile on the other hand, saddam hussein provided free kittens to all the kurdish iraqis, and played santa claus for the marsh arabs christmas party....

twinytwo

Epicfoo wrote: »

In war, the advantages of Depleted Uranium munitions help the United States stomp other countries into the ground.

The United States and its NATO allies maintain that Depleted Uranium dust (a by-product) doesn't cause cancer and birth defects, however, 136 countries are citing other research saying that it does.

Which side do you think is right?


Here is the wikipedia entry:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

there were guys that went into Iraq with after 91 to check the effects of the DU.... in areas where there had been engagements, they found abnormally high levels of radiation.

Jcarroll07

Epicfoo wrote: »

In war, the advantages of Depleted Uranium munitions help the United States stomp other countries into the ground.

The United States and its NATO allies maintain that Depleted Uranium dust (a by-product) doesn't cause cancer and birth defects, however, 136 countries are citing other research saying that it does.

Which side do you think is right?


Here is the wikipedia entry:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

you should read Robert Fisks report on it in his book "the great war on civilization"
He goes to areas in iraq where the biggest tanks battles took place in the first gulf war. And these areas have seen an increase of cancer mostly in infants in some cases of 500% but also adults. It is mostly cancer in the stomach tumors it that area. And DU ammunition was the munition used by the americans in these tank on tank battles for obvious reasons.

I should also say he did this research before 2003 and the invasion around 1995. It was based on the affects of the first Gulf war. Who know what post 2003 could bring in terms of health effects.

Donny5

Jcarroll07 wrote: »

you should read Robert Fisks report on it in his book "the great war on civilization"
He goes to areas in iraq where the biggest tanks battles took place in the first gulf war. And these areas have seen an increase of cancer mostly in infants in some cases of 500% but also adults. It is mostly cancer in the stomach tumors it that area. And DU ammunition was the munition used by the americans in these tank on tank battles for obvious reasons.

I should also say he did this research before 2003 and the invasion around 1995. It was based on the affects of the first Gulf war. Who know what post 2003 could bring in terms of health effects.

DU is an alpha emitter, though, so it's fairly unlikely to be the cause of increased cancer rates. DU has some non-radiological toxic qualities, which could be a factor. It's also very possible that the Iraqi ammunition might be the culprit, seeing as they were unlikely to have DU penetrators and almost all the other candidate substances for penetrator rounds (tungsten cobalt alloys and the like) are highly toxic.

harmoniums

A guy back in PA who worked my local gun store counter claimes to have got got some % disability from the Army.
He told me it was from burns on his fore-arms caused by DU dust from spent shells (he was some type of tanker)

He seems like an honest guy, perhaps ManicMoran could chime in tell if he's heard of this happening before?

His arms did look a state, lots of irregular scarring.

Manic Moran

Unlikely.

It is recommended that personnel avoid tanks which have been destroyed by DU munitions due to the possibility of dust, but the issue is that you want to avoid breathing in atomised heavy metals. Effectively, it's lead poisoning.

There were so many nasty things floating around in Southern Iraq, from the oil fires through destroyed munitions depots, which could include chemical munitions, that it's the height of foolishness to point the finger at any one item without conclusive proof. Heck, I'm still not convinced I'm entire fine from my cocktail of vaccinations.

It is worth pointing out that DU has been fired in places other than Iraq and organisations such as the WHO and EU have not announced any correlations between DU use in places like the Balkans and cancers.

NTM

BostonB

A 125mm tank shell wouldn't be that healthy either...

harmoniums

Donny5 wrote: »

DU is an alpha emitter, though, so it's fairly unlikely to be the cause of increased cancer rates. DU has some non-radiological toxic qualities, which could be a factor. It's also very possible that the Iraqi ammunition might be the culprit, seeing as they were unlikely to have DU penetrators and almost all the other candidate substances for penetrator rounds (tungsten cobalt alloys and the like) are highly toxic.

True, alpha emissions will barely penetrate paper.
It becomes a problem when ingested (breathed, eaten or drank) though.

Border-Rat

goldie fish wrote: »

WHile on the other hand, saddam hussein provided free kittens to all the kurdish iraqis, and played santa claus for the marsh arabs christmas party....

Who provided Saddam with these kittens? And in what way do the actions of a former regime relate to American policy? Whatabout-ery. :pac: