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Desperate for a job!!
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30-11-2011 5:49pm#1
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It all sounds great, but for the location. Getting to the City is difficult enough, but beyond could be too hard. But here is where I'm perhaps being too picky? :-/
Thanks for the heads up though. Hopefully they find some staff asap.
I just cant understand why I cannot find anything in the;
Shankill
Killiney
Dun Laoghaire
Blackrock
Carrickmines
Stillorgan
Dublin City
areas....
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It all sounds great, but for the location. Getting to the City is difficult enough, but beyond could be too hard. But here is where I'm perhaps being too picky? :-/
Thanks for the heads up though. Hopefully they find some staff asap.
I just cant understand why I cannot find anything in the;
Shankill
Killiney
Dun Laoghaire
Blackrock
Carrickmines
Stillorgan
Dublin City
areas....
When I was your age I traveled 2.5 hours to my first job. On my bike.
Seriously, I did.
Sometimes you just gotta put in a little more effort to get where you are going.0 -
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After trying all the above ideas, I've still got nothing :-/ H&M were probably the most promising, but they never called back and when I rang them, they said they didn't require any staff for the foreseeable future
I think my problem is that I've virtually no experience.... but how can I get experience if no one will hire me...because of having no experience???
Any help (again) would be greatly appreciated!
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Thanks. I'm planning on swamping the city with CV's in early January but I've done it before but still no luck.
Another problem is I've no contacts, at all! No one in my family knows anyone in a position to give me a part time job.
Which is frustrating because friends of mine are getting jobs through parents and siblings getting them in.0 -
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Im still jobless! At this stage I'm going nuts with trying to find something. Considering walking around town with a sign saying "Will work for €5p/hr"
Signed up to God knows how many agencies, handed out 40 CV's in the last 2 weeks, and then a load more online submissions. Even offering to work for less than minimum wage.
Cannot describe the mentality this is putting me in. I know times are bad but there's nothing I can find. Has anyone any last few tip offs? At this stage I'm starting to sell things I don't use a whole lot anymore to fund my daily life. Transport, food, socialising. Last week for example, 400 on car insurance and another 50 on petrol just to drive to places to look for work!!!
/rant
Edit: Area is Dublin South/Dublin City/Wicklow0 -
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Im still jobless! At this stage I'm going nuts with trying to find something. Considering walking around town with a sign saying "Will work for €5p/hr"
Signed up to God knows how many agencies, handed out 40 CV's in the last 2 weeks, and then a load more online submissions. Even offering to work for less than minimum wage.
Cannot describe the mentality this is putting me in. I know times are bad but there's nothing I can find. Has anyone any last few tip offs? At this stage I'm starting to sell things I don't use a whole lot anymore to fund my daily life. Transport, food, socialising. Last week for example, 400 on car insurance and another 50 on petrol just to drive to places to look for work!!!
/rant
Edit: Area is Dublin South/Dublin City/Wicklow
I had the same problem in the same area. Even though there are jobs in that place, it's one of the hardest areas in Ireland to find jobs. Why? Because everyone wants to live there. Even people from abroad are coming in to compete for work, both skilled and unskilled.
One suggestion is to work on fishing vessels. Skippers are always looking for deckhands. However, it can be dangerous if you're not experienced. There is some work in Greyhound recycling centre, but it's highly irregular. I've been called for a night shift a couple of times, and then I wasn't called in after about two and a half months, because it went quiet.
If you're looking for any work, I suggest to look for farm labour in Kildare/Laois-Offaly area. However, there may be competition even in these lands, you never know.0 -
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Hey again Keano. Listen I hear your frustration, but from your posts it looks like you are letting your emotions in this situation take control & overide your ability to approach this with a rational mindset. Please understand the default effect of prolonged unemployment is to attempt to strip you of your confidence, motivation and sense of self worth, leaving you with a feeling of desperation. The first step to combating this is to accept that nobody owes you a job. Once you can get up in the morning and not be angry at the world for not having a job waiting for you to walk in to, trust me, you will feel better. There are plenty of people out there that are angry at the world for not making a job available to them & expect that if they just focus their efforts on being angry and complaining that they will ultimately be met with reward, but in reality they are just wasting time. The best thing anyone in this situation can do is accept the reality, and get focused on strategic progress.
As regards all those other people who appear to have it much easier, I assure you it's never that straight forward. I've known a guy for years that is always frustrated at his lack of progress & never seems to get where he wants to be because he's constantly blindsighted by stories spun by people around him of how easy they achieve goals. It's akin to kids in school bragging to their mates that they aced an exam while doing absolutely no study. It's BS mate. You are better than that.
With regards the catch22 of no experience = no job, do you honestly think nobody else (myself included) hasn't come up against this at some stage?. It's not a dead end!, so stop fretting over it. With every single job on the planet there are many things that contribute towards others considering you for a role. How do you think anybody gets in to anything with that sort of mindset. You need to pay closer attention to what's important to the role and the people who need it filled. If you wanted a job sweeping floors, you can't just burst in someone's door and say "Jesus Christ!, I'd do a much better job sweeping up than that fella you have", when "that fella" brings much more to the role than what he/she can do with a sweeping brush. Punctuality, consideration, common-sense, fits in (i.e. works well with others), flexible, adaptive, fast learner, etc, etc, etc. Do you understand what I'm saying?
If you wanted to work in a shop, as I said before the person behind the counter is probably just an assistant as opposed to a hiring manager. This person however, will most likely know who the best person to talk to is & perhaps if they are hiring or not. Please remember that this information might not be known at that level. Even if they are sure there are no jobs, they might be wrong. You could ask to speak to the "right person", and ask them this simple question..."I would really like to work <<here>> and gain experience <<in this (professional) area>>. What I would like to know is what sort of things are most important to you when considering people for <<a particular role>>?"
Or something like that. Also be prepared, they could throw interview like questions back at you on the spot, so approach your responses with the mindset that; it's not about you, it's about them and how you want to help them, and you want to be able to do so as soon as possible and this is why you're cutting to the chase and asking them straight out. Nothing wrong with that.
Don't expect to get a job there and then, especially if they are not hiring, but you will be damn better equipped to send a better CV in there than before. You can also find out when would be a good time to do that. Also be certain if that person is used to just getting a pile of CVs as opposed to being caught off guard by someone exhibiting some ambition, you might be remembered. Also if there are many places in the area that employ people for that type of work, you now have that bit more info about what's important in such a role. But of course keep in mind, not every company or hiring manager offering similar jobs values the same things, but it's a start.
You think you have no experience, but often we have already faced situations & proven our competencies, it's your job while unemployed to do the matching exercises for what you have with what others need, which you need to first find out through research. Yes it takes time!, but you will make progress as opposed to staying in a rut.
When you said you have a much better CV than others you know who seem to walk in to jobs, that makes absolutely no sense. Unless you are simply referring to the format (which again may need to vary depending on the job), maybe!, but a CV needs to be considerate of:- What the employer needs / What problem(s) they have
- How you are clearly the solution
Stop complaining & being frustrated (it's not going to get you a job). Frustration is experienced only when your expectations are not being met, so you need to get your expectations in check and I assure you the frustration will go away. You can control how soon this happens.
I sincerely wish you the very best of luck
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Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble but sadly, you're really not alone! I worked in city centre shops for a long time and the amount of CVs we'd get handed in was unreal, irrespective of whether they were hiring or not. Unfortunately the majority would go on file and eventually into the bin. My advice is if you haven't got any experience, volunteer in your local charity shop. It might sound mad but there's so many people I know who eventually got retail jobs on the back of having that kind of "experience" (albeit unpaid) in a shop. Getting the hand of tills etc isn't hard but if you at least have some passing acquaintance with what the day to day work in a shop involves, then that it makes you look like you've some motivation and customer service skills. Worst case scenario, you're still doing something positive and learning relevant skills. If you were good at the sales part of your previous door to door role then I'd big that up too (but only if you actually were!).
Forget about the family contacts part - I've never gotten a job that way. It's an incredibly tough market and to stand out in a pile of CVs when you're experienced is difficult, let alone when it's basically your first job, but you seem determined and persistent so keep at it and something will turn up eventually! In the meantime as others have said you really need to be more pragmatic and focused, not just cold calling every business in town. That kind of stuff has a place at times but it might be perceived as annoying as most shops are running on less staff then they had previously so they're overworked as it is. When you do go into shops with CVs be smart, polite, friendly and to the point. Try not to come off as desperate! I mean that in the nicest possible sense but your frustration with this situation is palpable and you might be unintentionally giving off the wrong impression. The whole interview/training process is both time and cost involving for companies so they don't want to hire anyone who has the potential to be a challenge or a bit flakey and first impressions do have a lasting effect. I'm not saying go into a shop dressed in a suit but look the best version of your everyday self you can be. Instead of CV bombing town, if you hear that there's an opening somewhere, research the company, find out what they're about, who their target market is and see the kind of people they employ. What can you bring to them? Do a brief (no more than half a page) cover letter explaining why you're applying. That did make me look at a CV twice if it was thought through and seemed as though someone had genuine interest in working there. This is all the usual cliched careers guidance stuff but people make the mistake all the time of finally getting an interview and not having a clue who or what they're interviewing for. Finally, get someone to proof read your CV and see if there's anything off-putting which you might not be aware of. Tiny things like typos can have a massive effect and if you don't have a "work" email, now's the time to sign up for something sensible! Best of luck 0 -
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I mean this in a constructive way but have you considered that there is something about you that is putting employers off?
It seems strange that a place that tells you it has no work employs someone else almost immediately after?
For example do you have visible tattoos? Scruffy appearance, dress like a goth, piercings etc? Or maybe since you have been knocked back so many times now you just come across as negative or just not very nice? You have to remember to smile and be positive when handing in a cv. In other words you have to make a good first impression.
Best of luck in finding a job.
Thanks, but no I look well when I go in, wherever it is, garage or shop. Slacks, blakc shoes, shirt and sweatshirt. I shower, I don't smell, I'm 6 ft and I've good communication skills. No piercings or tatoos.... hate needles!You said that you friends are getting jobs.
Have you asked these friends to put in a good word for you if any more vacancies come up where they work?
Kind of, yeh, but it feels so scabby I reckon. I do it nonetheless and they say they'll try, I don't blame them though. Gave my CV to one of them last week to hand in so I'll see how that goes.loconnor1001 wrote: »When you are sending in your CV are you including a cover letter? Its a way to sell yourself before they even look at your CV
Yep, everytime. Even a Garda Vetting form.Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble but sadly, you're really not alone! I worked in city centre shops for a long time and the amount of CVs we'd get handed in was unreal, irrespective of whether they were hiring or not. Unfortunately the majority would go on file and eventually into the bin. My advice is if you haven't got any experience, volunteer in your local charity shop. It might sound mad but there's so many people I know who eventually got retail jobs on the back of having that kind of "experience" (albeit unpaid) in a shop. Getting the hand of tills etc isn't hard but if you at least have some passing acquaintance with what the day to day work in a shop involves, then that it makes you look like you've some motivation and customer service skills. Worst case scenario, you're still doing something positive and learning relevant skills. If you were good at the sales part of your previous door to door role then I'd big that up too (but only if you actually were!).
Forget about the family contacts part - I've never gotten a job that way. It's an incredibly tough market and to stand out in a pile of CVs when you're experienced is difficult, let alone when it's basically your first job, but you seem determined and persistent so keep at it and something will turn up eventually! In the meantime as others have said you really need to be more pragmatic and focused, not just cold calling every business in town. That kind of stuff has a place at times but it might be perceived as annoying as most shops are running on less staff then they had previously so they're overworked as it is. When you do go into shops with CVs be smart, polite, friendly and to the point. Try not to come off as desperate! I mean that in the nicest possible sense but your frustration with this situation is palpable and you might be unintentionally giving off the wrong impression. The whole interview/training process is both time and cost involving for companies so they don't want to hire anyone who has the potential to be a challenge or a bit flakey and first impressions do have a lasting effect. I'm not saying go into a shop dressed in a suit but look the best version of your everyday self you can be. Instead of CV bombing town, if you hear that there's an opening somewhere, research the company, find out what they're about, who their target market is and see the kind of people they employ. What can you bring to them? Do a brief (no more than half a page) cover letter explaining why you're applying. That did make me look at a CV twice if it was thought through and seemed as though someone had genuine interest in working there. This is all the usual cliched careers guidance stuff but people make the mistake all the time of finally getting an interview and not having a clue who or what they're interviewing for. Finally, get someone to proof read your CV and see if there's anything off-putting which you might not be aware of. Tiny things like typos can have a massive effect and if you don't have a "work" email, now's the time to sign up for something sensible! Best of luck
I volentear every week at a local youth club for kids. Only an hour long and I do it because my neighbour is the person who is in charge of the whole thing and we've a good relationship.
I'll just keep trying. Literally anything I'm going for. Plan to run a muck in town next Monday/Tuesday with CV's on Henry Street area. Done most others.0 -
Hey OP, sounds like you're having it pretty rough. I know exactly how you feel though. Since last September, I've handed out well over a hundred CVs. I handed them out in restaurants, bars, clubs, pubs, clothes shops and hotels. Literally everywhere. I was even applying online wherever possible. The whole thing about experience is ridiculous. You get places looking for 3 years experience making sandwiches and serving people. I can't imagine it takes three years to master the art of taking someone's order and serving them!
My biggest issue is that the job I had (I left because I was in final year and didn't have time to work), I managed to keep for three years. Now I'm doing a masters and just looking for a bit of part time work and I feel like places think that I'm inexperienced due to me only having that one job. Funny thing is, when I applied for it, I literally just walked in off the street, walked up to the front desk and asked for a job on the spot!
It's a horrendous situation to be in but (and I'm just about getting to my actual point here
) you have to be patient and persistent. I know that's probably the last thing you want to hear having handed out so many CVs but it's the only way to go about it. And I wouldn't worry about annoying people and going in and asking a couple of times. I have a trial for a job on Monday and I managed to get it after months of handing in CVs and emailing and walking into the shop. You've nothing to lose and I think that going in and asking for the manager and letting them know you mean business is your best bet. Don't just shyly walk in and drop the CV. Make sure you get in there and let them know that you're there for one reason and one reason only. To get that god damn job!!
I think I've rambled long enough but to finish, persistence pays off. I know there are still a few places looking for staff. Donnybrook Fair want deli staff and Buffalo 19 in Rathmines were looking for staff last time I checked. Try both of those restaurants. Don't give up yet! Best of luck with the search 0 -
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