Scrapping Car

galwayjohn89

Thinking of ripping all the resalable stuff from the car and then scrapping the body & engine.

Any one know how much youd get if anything for the shell of a rover 25 to be scrapped?

galwayjohn89

Sent the last message by phone so I'll try give a bit more detail.

My car was written off so I was thinking take out the seats, dash instruments, steering wheel, visors, mats, doors, bonnet lights anything that could be easily sold for parts then scrap the chassis. Would there be a company that could take the chassis onto the truck then I take the wheels off as I want to sell them too! Any idea how much I'd get for the Chassis if anything?

si_guru

TBH - I'd sell the whole thing. Who is going to buy all these Rover parts?

galwayjohn89

I'd imagine I could shift them. I wouldn't be in any rush to. Theres quite a few Rover 25/200 /MG ZRs out there.

db

You'll end up having to pay for the car to be taken away. Even without removing the parts you will be probably not get a penny for it if it has to be towed.

galwayjohn89

Really? I've got offer €50 over the phone for it to be towed away.

greenermetals

any now for the mandatory greenermetals post

dont forget the cert of destruction.....

galwayjohn89

Greenermetals are you in the business?

greenermetals

For my sins, yes. But we dont sell parts, or buy scrap, we just recycle the cars. Incidentally, it states in the rules on End Of Life Vehicles (Waste Management Act (ELV Regs)) that the car must be delivered intact to the authorized treatment facility. You then get a Cert of Destruction which is the only doc that will deregister the car now.

These are the rules, though tbh the enforcement of them is patchy to say the least. It depends on the local authority, but if you are caught breaking the vehicle you might get fined. A small possibility, but one which it would be remiss of me not to tell you about.

Guy:Incognito

greenermetals wrote: »

For my sins, yes. But we dont sell parts, or buy scrap, we just recycle the cars. Incidentally, it states in the rules on End Of Life Vehicles (Waste Management Act (ELV Regs)) that the car must be delivered intact to the authorized treatment facility. You then get a Cert of Destruction which is the only doc that will deregister the car now.

These are the rules, though tbh the enforcement of them is patchy to say the least. It depends on the local authority, but if you are caught breaking the vehicle you might get fined. A small possibility, but one which it would be remiss of me not to tell you about.

Why do they want car destoyed in full? Surely stripping anything out that can be reused is a good idea.

It's a shame to think that loads of parts like leather seats etc that people would pay good money for to upgrade their cars are going to the crusher.

greenermetals

I think it has more to do with the hazardous materials in them, and the fact that quite a few breakers have no weighbridge.

A car contains engine oil, gear oil, brake fluid, coolant, acids, plastics that take 100s of years to biodegrade, mercury, and small explosives (airbags and pretensioners, that have exploded to the foundries where the metals are melted to make new steel.) I suppose the idea in Europe was that youd have specialist, licensed yards to remove these items, and get as much as possible from the car to recycle and divert from landfill. This hasnt worked out, largely due to the high metals prices and subsequent proliferation of unlicensed yards, allied to the fact that the authorities are unwilling or unable to do anything about it.

Each licensed yard had to prove 85% recyclability by weight. If you took in a car and you had no weighbridge, how could you prove recyclability unless the car was intact. Everybody knows the weight of an intact micra, but what if the engine and exhaust were missing?

This was the theory, though it didnt stand up to practicalities. Though it has in almost every other EU state.

Gregor Samsa

greenermetals wrote: »

Incidentally, it states in the rules on End Of Life Vehicles (Waste Management Act (ELV Regs)) that the car must be delivered intact to the authorized treatment facility. You then get a Cert of Destruction which is the only doc that will deregister the car now.

Is that just not for the free EOLV disposal scheme? And I thought the reason for it was that the authorized treatment facility could then strip whatever valuable stuff they could off the car, in return for taking it for free? I didn't think cars got crushed with the seats, cat, alloys and all still in/in them. (I'm not trying to be smart - genuinely asking, and I'd love to be corrected if I'm mistaken in my assumptions.)

Surely there must be a legal way of disposing of a car that has bits missing for whatever reason. If my car got burned out and I wanted to get rid of it's charred husk, I'd hardly have to put wheels, seats, and everything else in it.

Can it not be treated as scrap metal (for which there is a market price paid) instead of an EOLV?

greenermetals

By the letter of the law, a car once deemed End of Life is 'hazardous waste' and has a unique EWC (European Waste Catalogue) code. Only licensed Authorized Treatment Facilities can depollute the car, and only after depollution, does it become scrap.

At the minute, most scrap cars are going to the shredder, which achieves c. 73% recyclability by weight. The EU are aware of this and there is at present the threat of a daily fine (of anything adding up to a total of 100 miilion Euros) for every illegal yard still open in Ireland and for non adherence to the terms of the directive (ie less than 85% recycling.)

In response recent waste facility permits have the stipulation that all plastics be removed prior to shredding, this replaces the requirement by implication in older waste permits.

The recycling rates are due to rise to 95% by 2015, which will mean each and every car will have to be dissassembled and the constituents segregated at source (something that is already happening in Poland, Germany, Spain etc.) and its something we (our company) are trying to do here now.

There are also issues relating to insurance, compatibility with other cars ECUs, Car manufacturers contracts which preclude us from selling parts. I could go on but this reply is long winded enough as it is.

It is a sin some of the cars we do crush, but it is the only way forward at the minute.

The cars need to be treated by licensed operators with the correct environmental control measures in place, and in a standardised fashion. Those companies that dont have less overheads, and as a result are gobbling up the cars and treating them as scrap, not the toxic time bomb they can be.

greenermetals

Cats and alloys are removed and sold seperately. as a commodity, not a reuseable part, bumpers if removed, cleaned and baled/pelletised have a value. Glass can be used as an aggregate, even tyres can be used to make roads. Some plastics used in dashboards are more valuable per tonne than copper. But all this means that the proper yard that achieves the recycling rates is doing so at an economic disadvantage to those that disregard the recycling targets.

The cars are still stripped, though less parts are reused. We are exploring avenues whereby the parts can be remanufactured, and thereby have a warranty, but again this is a more expensive option of just reselling the part ignorant of who fits it, whether its fit for purpose, or if indeed it will even deploy in the vent of an accident (airbags incorrectly linked to the ECU wont go off, who pays the insurance bill, the mechanic? the breaker? the owner?

Guy:Incognito

greenermetals wrote: »

or if indeed it will even deploy in the vent of an accident (airbags incorrectly linked to the ECU wont go off, who pays the insurance bill, the mechanic? the breaker? the owner?

Passive items like panels, bumpers, trim pieces etc should have no knock on effects surely?

I assume places like the dismantlers in Kilcock are all above board? They will sell you any bits you want so stripping a car and sellign the useable parts is possible.

At the moment I've 2 Xantia's. I need various bits to have them both back to 100%. One of them was reversed in to a pole or somesuch before I got it and the bumper has a bad break in it, that also broke the chrome strip that runs around the top. These are things that are very expensive new , but how many have been needlessly crushed over the years that could have been picked up cheaply?

greenermetals

Yes once the car is depolluted you can strip the parts and sell as you want. Its just not our business model to do so. But only breakers licensed as ATFs can depollute, and only ATFs can issue Certs of Destruction.

In our instance we have a contract with all the major car importers that prohibits us from selling anything off the safety system, braking system or steering system. Any parts we do sell must be installed by a qualified mechanic (with documentary evidence supplied) and all identifying marks iue part number of importers brand must be obscured.

We dont sell the parts as we think its a lucrative trade, but one that is ultimately coming to an end, and one that the european legislation will make increasingly difficult as time progresses.

Malolan

Hi mates,
just wanted to ask for advice. In the end of December I sold for 50e my dead Audi to a guy who's collecting damaged cars. He told me to write in the log book "SCRAP" and send it to the Department of Transport, as I did. Now, a week ago or so I received a final reminder motor tax. I emailed them back that I sent them the log book that states "scrap". they wrote me back that the Audi is still registered in my name and so on.
I understand that once the log book is sent to the Dept. they know what's the state of the car (sold, etc.). Am I right? I wasn't aware that I need a certifcate of destruction from the guy who took the car... What should I do now? Ignore the letters from the Dept.? Thanks for any advices!

greenermetals

Malolan

Unfortunately, marking the VRC/logbook as scrapped and sending it in doesn't work anymore. In fact you should be expecting to receive your logbook back in a short while asking you to provide your certificate of destruction number. This is the only document that will deregister the car and take it out of your name. These can only be issued by licensed Authorised Treatment Facilities.

We have a lot of experience with this, as we have people on weekly asking us to give them a cert. We cant as we didnt receive it and every car has to be accounted for in the reports to the epa, local authorities.

Im not trying to scaremonger, but in our experience what usually happens is you have to send in a sworn affadavit stating when you scrapped the car, and who you gave it to etc.

But saying that, with the patchwork nature of our civil service, you may get lucky.

If only there was some way a government could actually inform people of the way a system works, or if they change the way a system works, similar to the one which informs people of when they have to pay taxes etc.

Suggestions on a postcard.

Malolan

Greenermetals, thanks a lot for your reply!