Books from Santry

UrbanSea

Hello all. Just wondering about reserving a book in the library that's coming from Santry. How long does it take to get in generally,I reserved around lunch time,will it be in the library in the morning?

Thanks

Lawliet

It should be in by two o'clock -that's when I usually receive an email about the request.

UrbanSea

Thank you

Degsy

If you make the request before 10am you should get it that day..Santry is normally delivered before 12.30..its usually not much later.

Phil92

I actually have another question about Stacks.
Is it true that you can't actually 'loan' books out from Stacks- that is, you can only read them inside the library, like Counter Reserve books?
Is there any way of getting around this?

Lawliet

Phil92 wrote: »

I actually have another question about Stacks.
Is it true that you can't actually 'loan' books out from Stacks- that is, you can only read them inside the library, like Counter Reserve books?

It's true, undergrads can't take those books out.

Is there any way of getting around this?

Post grads and people with learning disabilities signed on with the disability service get extra borrowing privileges, other than that I haven't heard of anyway students can take the books out.

nommm

Phil92 wrote: »

I actually have another question about Stacks.
Is it true that you can't actually 'loan' books out from Stacks- that is, you can only read them inside the library, like Counter Reserve books?
Is there any way of getting around this?

It's true and it's really feckin annoying. What's the point in getting all these wonderful books free if the students can't actually read them. :mad: Ahem.

Ravelleman

nommm wrote: »

It's true and it's really feckin annoying. What's the point in getting all these wonderful books free if the students can't actually read them. :mad: Ahem.

Because the supply is extremely limited.

Degsy

nommm wrote: »

It's true and it's really feckin annoying. What's the point in getting all these wonderful books free if the students can't actually read them. :mad: Ahem.

They can read them they just cant borrow them.

If undergrads could borrow stacks books there'd be chaos if one was to appear on a reading list and the other people in the class couldnt get it.

The library usually only has one copy of each stacks or santry book due to space limitations.

gutenberg

Usually, the reason a book is out in Santry in the first place is because it is not in heavy demand, i.e. not a textbook that is the foundation book for a course. Given that this is so, I fail to see why undergrads can't take these books out: no one is using them anyway! And if you did need a book that someone had taken out, well then you can just use the recall function as you do with Open Access books.

I have called books up from Santry where the pages hadn't even been cut yet. The book was published in the 1950s; I was obviously the first person to ever read it in the TCD library. That's how obscure and not-in-demand some of the titles are.

Unshelved

The vast majority of books in Santry are received as part of Trinity Library's legal deposit remit - books received because the Library is a copyright library and has to have a copy of every book published in Ireland and the UK. The quid pro quo of this is that the Library has a responsibility to look after these books for future generations, so they need to be read under supervision in order to limit any possible damage that may occur.

Undergraduates can only borrow LEN books - the extra copies purchased by the Library. There should be sufficient LEN books for every undergraduate. If there isn't or you feel like there should be more purchased then you could contact your Subject Librarian - contact details are here - http://www.tcd.ie/Library/support/subjects/index.php (just click on the relevant subject).

gutenberg

Unshelved wrote: »

The vast majority of books in Santry are received as part of Trinity Library's legal deposit remit - books received because the Library is a copyright library and has to have a copy of every book published in Ireland and the UK. The quid pro quo of this is that the Library has a responsibility to look after these books for future generations, so they need to be read under supervision in order to limit any possible damage that may occur.

Undergraduates can only borrow LEN books - the extra copies purchased by the Library. There should be sufficient LEN books for every undergraduate. If there isn't or you feel like there should be more purchased then you could contact your Subject Librarian - contact details are here - http://www.tcd.ie/Library/support/subjects/index.php (just click on the relevant subject).

Cambridge's University Library is also a legal deposit library, and yet they let undergraduates borrow from them? To be honest, if Santry books can be loaned to postgraduates then I fail to see why they also cannot be loaned to UGs- say for example third and fourth years, who are the ones who probably need these books.

To say that there should be sufficient LEN books is a joke. Just have a look around the history shelves, to take one example- barely any can be taken out. And this was the case pre-recession as well!

Unshelved

Cambridge's University Library is also a legal deposit library, and yet they let undergraduates borrow from them? To be honest, if Santry books can be loaned to postgraduates then I fail to see why they also cannot be loaned to UGs- say for example third and fourth years, who are the ones who probably need these books.

I'm not sure that this is true - are you confusing the individual college Libraries with the University Library in Cambridge? As far as I am aware none of the copyright libraries that are part of the UK/Ireland Group allow borrowing of books received under the copyright remit to undergraduates. In fact, I think Trinity is unique in offering copyright books to postgrads and staff to borrow.

To say that there should be sufficient LEN books is a joke. Just have a look around the history shelves, to take one example- barely any can be taken out. And this was the case pre-recession as well!

Sorry you feel this way. The Library does its best under a limited budget (which is shrinking at the moment). If you haven't contacted the Histories Librarian on this matter, then I suggest you do so. Contact details are in my last post.

gutenberg

Unshelved wrote: »

I'm not sure that this is true - are you confusing the individual college Libraries with the University Library in Cambridge? As far as I am aware none of the copyright libraries that are part of the UK/Ireland Group allow borrowing of books received under the copyright remit to undergraduates. In fact, I think Trinity is unique in offering copyright books to postgrads and staff to borrow.

I'm at Cambridge now. The UL definitely allows borrowing by undergraduates. Undergraduates may borrow five items for two weeks; postgraduates, Fellows etc can borrow ten items for eight weeks (:cool:). On top of the privileges for students at college & faculty/departmental libraries, it adds up to a lot of books.

Unshelved

So you're commenting from afar! Good luck at Cambridge - I hope it goes well for you.

gutenberg

Unshelved wrote: »

So you're commenting from afar! Good luck at Cambridge - I hope it goes well for you.

Thanks- but a TCD alum One thing I will say is the TCD library is much nicer place to actually study- the UL can feel a institutional and grim in places!

234

Unshelved wrote: »

The vast majority of books in Santry are received as part of Trinity Library's legal deposit remit - books received because the Library is a copyright library and has to have a copy of every book published in Ireland and the UK.

The Library only has right to request a copy of any book published in the British Isles. There is no requirement for the library to hold copies of evey book published here and across the sea. If you think about Santry would be overflowing with chiclit and crime novels already if they had to take a copy of every book published.

Unshelved

True - the Library doesn't hold Mills & Boon novels, for example, or Readers' Digest abridged novels. But it does hold a vast amount of chicklit and crime novels, and cookery books and travel books and anything else you could think of. Now Santry IS overflowing - to the extend that many holdings have been transferred to what is called "dark storage" out at CityWest, and a new book repository is being planned in conjunction with UCD and the NLI.

In the past, it was questioned why the Library bothered holding Children's Literature - now it's a legitimate area of research - so you never know just what is going to become interesting to future generations. That's why the Library's Accessions Department chases virtually everything up for the collections.

nommm

What's the point in requesting all the chicklit and cookery books if nobodys going to use them then? Seems like a pretty big waste to me. Like I tried to get Harry Potter a few weeks ago and was told I wasn't allowed take it out and would have to return it in 5 hours or something. It'll probably just be lying in stacks, unused for ages.

Lawliet

nommm wrote: »

What's the point in requesting all the chicklit and cookery books if nobodys going to use them then? Seems like a pretty big waste to me. Like I tried to get Harry Potter a few weeks ago and was told I wasn't allowed take it out and would have to return it in 5 hours or something. It'll probably just be lying in stacks, unused for ages.

Just because you can't take them out of the library doesn't mean they aren't used. I know I'm in the minority here, but I often request and read non-academic books in the library, it's great for getting books you just can't find anywhere else.

nommm

Lawliet wrote: »

Just because you can't take them out of the library doesn't mean they aren't used. I know I'm in the minority here, but I often request and read non-academic books in the library, it's great for getting books you just can't find anywhere else.

But how do you read the whole thing when you have to give it back?

Lawliet

nommm wrote: »

But how do you read the whole thing when you have to give it back?

Ask them to hold it, once you check it out every three days they wont send it back to Santry.