Dublin based band (with record/management/etc) seeks Bassist

boneitis

Dublin band, with very professional London-based management, a few weeks from proper publishing deal, major label interest, etc., seeks bassist, between 24-early30s

Can't be completely broke (within reason like), must be able to willing to be on stage and stuff the day job if this takes off.. all material written (more being written all the time though), album 99% finished... this could be a VERY good opportunity for the right person.

We don't gig a lot at the moment. This WILL change in 2012, and this could become a VERY demanding role, time-wise.

No time wasters.

I AM going to ask a bunch of questions before I share music. That's just how it is.

Style of music is pop/indie/rock - mainstream, but fun to play and musical.

Our singer is one of the best going...

email me: bassistwanteddublin@gmail.com

Any questions, ask.

Reality check: The labels (we're talking majors here folks), management, etc., are gonna demand that you look like a bit like a musician... sorry about that, but there you go. To that end you will be vaguely judged on looks. Don't shoot the messenger.

boneitis

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Black Cow

You talk big - where's your samples?

boneitis wrote: »

management, etc., are gonna demand that you look like a bit like a musician... sorry about that, but there you go. To that end you will be vaguely judged on looks.

Right - so is it about the music, or is this X-Factor?

Malice

I'd be kind of curious myself as to what a musician should look like since most musicians I know are far scruffier than the sparkly displays shown on tv.

Stompbox

Black Cow wrote: »

You talk big - where's your samples?

Going on his big talk, I really don't wanna hear any of this music.

Malice

This will be the one and only warning. Please don't snipe at the thread starter. If that's all a post does then I will be issuing infractions.

boneitis

Black Cow wrote: »

You talk big - where's your samples?

Right - so is it about the music, or is this X-Factor?

You're fooling yourself if you think it's only xfactor that cares about how bands are packaged. Any business with a lick of sense will carefully package a product (music INDUSTRY remember) before it goes to market. This isn't cynical, it's being competitive. Most musicians have no chance is hell, and one of the main reasons is they think they can look down their nose at the business side of things... guess what, you can't be in the business and decry it, at least 99% of people can't initially.

As for samples, I, like a large percentage of people on Boards, don't post them publicly. Deal with it.

boneitis

Sweet wrote: »

Going on his big talk, I really don't wanna hear any of this music.

And...?

boneitis

Malice wrote: »

I'd be kind of curious myself as to what a musician should look like since most musicians I know are far scruffier than the sparkly displays shown on tv.

To be very clear...

I think scruffy is much closer to what is being advertised for than xfactor glitz.

You know, when you see someone on the street and say, "I bet that person is a musician"... that's the kinda minimum level we're talking about here.

But c'mon... you see a lot of people on here who say, "I'm ready to be in a massive band" then they show up and are hugely obese (for example) and just wouldn't be marketable, in almost any band.

Record labels, at least big ones, are essentially banks. If you want them to lend you money (i.e. sign you to a contract of any description) they have to believe they'll get a return on their investment.

It's a loan-vestment.



So... If I walk into a meeting with Warner, and I have a bunch of fat slobs in their 60s, none of which can play music, and then get all angry when they don't give me a contract, much less a GOOD contract, I'm delusional.

This is also an attempt to control the situation. At this point, we don't need a bassist to do business, but if we find one that we like and can make us better we avoid having a bassist forced on us by the label.. And all that that implies.

discobeaker

I gotta say that im in agreement with boneitis.
Image is one of the biggest factors when it comes to getting signed up. The guys have to be at least someway cool and cant be walking into a meeting looking like a scumbag,they want the near finished artical before the record company take them on board and let their people style and mould the band.

Anyway.i guess i will throw my name into the hat. PM on the way

boneitis

discobeaker wrote: »

I gotta say that im in agreement with boneitis.
Image is one of the biggest factors when it comes to getting signed up. The guys have to be at least someway cool and cant be walking into a meeting looking like a scumbag,they want the near finished artical before the record company take them on board and let their people style and mould the band.

Anyway.i guess i will throw my name into the hat. PM on the way

PM received and replied to.

boneitis

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Splinters

Fair play to bonitis, its nice to see people take a realistic approach to whats needed to succeed in this game. Im not a bassist and Im probably veering more towards the electro side of things then rock these days but I would be curious to hear some recordings if you want to pm me (if not no worries). Always nice to be aware of whats happening in the irish scene and who to look out.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

boneitis wrote: »

You know, when you see someone on the street and say, "I bet that person is a musician"... that's the kinda minimum level we're talking about here.

I know exactly what you mean, and I have to agree with everything you have posted in this thread.
You want somebody with the "indie" look; cons, jeans, t-shirt/check shirt, maybe a stylish jacket, around 3 weeks of a beard and hair around an inch or two longer than average, who plays a fender bass

the coronas are a perfect example!


just realised, I almost described what Im currently wearing!

boneitis

Luna Great Tablecloth wrote: »

I know exactly what you mean, and I have to agree with everything you have posted in this thread.
You want somebody with the "indie" look; cons, jeans, t-shirt/check shirt, maybe a stylish jacket, around 3 weeks of a beard and hair around an inch or two longer than average, who plays a fender bass

the coronas are a perfect example!


just realised, I almost described what Im currently wearing!

hahaha... you're not a bassist are you?

That's exactly right... we just have to be realistic...

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To everyone else, thanks for all the replies and for the most part positive responses.

We'd much rather be honest and avoid wasting people's time.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

boneitis wrote: »

hahaha... you're not a bassist are you?

afraid im a guitarist.....but i play a fender
best of luck in the search

boneitis

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Splinters

I thought it was worth mentioning, boneitis sent me on a link to one of their recordings. Its clear from the recording this is very much a professional band with a lot of potential. Its a great track, very catchy and well recorded. Best of luck with the search!!

boneitis

Splinters wrote: »

I thought it was worth mentioning, boneitis sent me on a link to one of their recordings. Its clear from the recording this is very much a professional band with a lot of potential. Its a great track, very catchy and well recorded. Best of luck with the search!!

ahhh thanks!

tommyalph

Well done on the record label and all that but I think for that kinda music image isn't something take Kurt cobain even playin MTV unplugged he looked like he just ame off the street then there's system of a down 4 beard wearing Armenians singing about genocide? Never gonna happen 25 million albums later their one of the biggest out there. Ur at a point in ur career where things can take off and my advice is to read the book called everything you need to know about the music business by Donald passman. It'll cost u €20 but could save u millions it shows how managers and record companies can rip u off and how to have a good relationship with these people and still make lots if money and also other things such as copyright. It's the book that made nirvana their money

Splinters

Im sure you mean well but its quite naive to think the music industry is still operating on the same business model it was 20 years ago. Im sure the ideals are sound, and its probably a very interesting read but anyone looking for any kind of insight into the way the industry works these days would be as well off pissing into the wind as reading a book based on the financial workings of the industry 20 years ago. Quite simply, different rules apply these days.

tommyalph wrote: »

Well done on the record label and all that but I think for that kinda music image isn't something take Kurt cobain even playin MTV unplugged he looked like he just ame off the street then there's system of a down 4 beard wearing Armenians singing about genocide? Never gonna happen 25 million albums later their one of the biggest out there. Ur at a point in ur career where things can take off and my advice is to read the book called everything you need to know about the music business by Donald passman. It'll cost u €20 but could save u millions it shows how managers and record companies can rip u off and how to have a good relationship with these people and still make lots if money and also other things such as copyright. It's the book that made nirvana their money

tommyalph

I see ur point but it's been updated to keep up with everything including how buying records online through iTunes and such compares to others its my fault fir not making it clearer the book I have was revised and updated in 2011 and has been in 1991, 94, 95, 98 2000 03 04 07 08 09 2010 and then 2011

Splinters

In that case Id be interested in having a read of that myself. I still maintain any band looking to succeed on a major label has to be at least somewhat image aware. Maybe not for some of the independant labels but for any of the majors its crazy to think it wouldnt at least be a factor.

tommyalph

The book itself is excellent I understand so much more now as regards image my opinion is make ur own and go with people look at something that stands so stand out! No matter what music u listen to who doesn't recognise slipknot?

boneitis

There's many roads to success, but a LOT more roads to failure. If you wanna convince people you're serious you can't just say you're serious you have to actually BE serious. In the case of the entertainment industry (let's not fool ourselves) you have to, at a bare minimum, look like someone that fits into SOME slot.

It's nice to think we can all be Kurt Cobain, but we can't. Kurt Cobain couldn't even deal with it.

It's much more important to be honest, have a good team, have a decent plan, and most importantly have really strong material and a distinctive vocalist. We've got it all, minus the bassist.

benestoria2

Id love to be part of your band I look awesome,I wear cons and skinny jeans I have a really trendy haircut and I get a 15% discount at Topman....I cant really play bass though would that be a problem?

Malice

benestoria2 wrote: »

Id love to be part of your band I look awesome,I wear cons and skinny jeans I have a really trendy haircut and I get a 15% discount at Topman....I cant really play bass though would that be a problem?

Just to reiterate:

Malice wrote: »

This will be the one and only warning. Please don't snipe at the thread starter. If that's all a post does then I will be issuing infractions.

boneitis

Malice wrote: »

Just to reiterate:

Thanks for issuing that infraction Malice.

You'd think I was breaking into people's homes and forcing them to dress a certain way at knife point.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

tommyalph wrote: »

Well done on the record label and all that but I think for that kinda music image isn't something take Kurt cobain even playin MTV unplugged he looked like he just ame off the street then there's system of a down 4 beard wearing Armenians singing about genocide? Never gonna happen 25 million albums later their one of the biggest out there. Ur at a point in ur career where things can take off and my advice is to read the book called everything you need to know about the music business by Donald passman. It'll cost u €20 but could save u millions it shows how managers and record companies can rip u off and how to have a good relationship with these people and still make lots if money and also other things such as copyright. It's the book that made nirvana their money

I dont understand the SOAD comment. Looks wise, you would think they were in a hard rock/metal band singing about genocide!

tommyalph

Luna Great Tablecloth wrote: »

tommyalph wrote: »

Well done on the record label and all that but I think for that kinda music image isn't something take Kurt cobain even playin MTV unplugged he looked like he just ame off the street then there's system of a down 4 beard wearing Armenians singing about genocide? Never gonna happen 25 million albums later their one of the biggest out there. Ur at a point in ur career where things can take off and my advice is to read the book called everything you need to know about the music business by Donald passman. It'll cost u €20 but could save u millions it shows how managers and record companies can rip u off and how to have a good relationship with these people and still make lots if money and also other things such as copyright. It's the book that made nirvana their money

I dont understand the SOAD comment. Looks wise, you would think they were in a hard rock/metal band singing about genocide!

Just trying to point out image isn't everything

Malice

tommyalph: Please lay off the txt spk. If you can spell out "companies" and "relationship" then I don't think you need to shorten "you" and "your".

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

tommyalph wrote: »

Just trying to point out image isn't everything

But SOAD's image is of a Hard Rock/Metal band.

Image is very important for indie/pop rock bands though. no teen girl is going to want to put a pic of an ugly guy in their wall!

tommyalph

Luna Great Tablecloth wrote: »

tommyalph wrote: »

Just trying to point out image isn't everything

But SOAD's image is of a Hard Rock/Metal band.

Image is very important for indie/pop rock bands though. no teen girl is going to want to put a pic of an ugly guy in their wall!

Oh I know and I agree In my opinion it's the music that counts which is where hard rock/metal comes in so good. I don't like the way pop is sold on looks rather than records it's not what music is about.

And sorry malice I'm using my iPhone so I'm just used to it but I will make a better effort

stephen22

Hey guys I sent you a mail from when you had the previous thread. I'm really really interested in this but I'm potentially moving to Canada for 3 months in the summer... I'm guessing this would be a big problem right?


And as a side note... If SOAD dressed like Boyzone or Steps you'd never take them serious, no matter what the music. All bands have image - even those with no image have an image of 'no image' which is what their fans go for... Remember Metallica would have as big a marketing budget as Lady Gaga or Bruno Mars!

Duke Leonal Felmet

I think your comment about weight was a bit much, tbh...

boneitis

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

I think your comment about weight was a bit much, tbh...

Then this end of the industry is probably not for you. That's not me being smart, byw., but I've had people that are ... in the industry.. comment on hair cuts, shoes and yes, even weight and hygiene.

I suppose I could PRETEND that's not true, but I'd be doing just that, pretending.

My attitude is fairly simple: tick as many boxes as possible. The weight one is just an example, but it's a real one I've heard. I could've said, another thing I've heard, "can't make ridiculous sex faces while playing your instrument".

That's a real one. bizarre.

The truth is that that one is very silly; the weight one is a real thing that labels, and booking agencies, and PR people, etc., do look at. They think it's "added work" for them and would prefer to not have to work any harder than necessary.

I don't like it, but there's a lot about reality I don't like.

boneitis

stephen22 wrote: »

Hey guys I sent you a mail from when you had the previous thread. I'm really really interested in this but I'm potentially moving to Canada for 3 months in the summer... I'm guessing this would be a big problem right?


And as a side note... If SOAD dressed like Boyzone or Steps you'd never take them serious, no matter what the music. All bands have image - even those with no image have an image of 'no image' which is what their fans go for... Remember Metallica would have as big a marketing budget as Lady Gaga or Bruno Mars!

Can you DM your email address? I responded to someone named Stephen and then heard nothing back...

cordragza

PM sent

raindog.promo

boneitis wrote: »

Then this end of the industry is probably not for you. That's not me being smart, byw., but I've had people that are ... in the industry.. comment on hair cuts, shoes and yes, even weight and hygiene.

I suppose I could PRETEND that's not true, but I'd be doing just that, pretending.

My attitude is fairly simple: tick as many boxes as possible. The weight one is just an example, but it's a real one I've heard. I could've said, another thing I've heard, "can't make ridiculous sex faces while playing your instrument".

That's a real one. bizarre.

The truth is that that one is very silly; the weight one is a real thing that labels, and booking agencies, and PR people, etc., do look at. They think it's "added work" for them and would prefer to not have to work any harder than necessary.

I don't like it, but there's a lot about reality I don't like.

What about drug addictions? Frowned on or encouraged?
The kids are all at it these days

raindog.promo

raindog.promo wrote: »

What about drug addictions? Frowned on or encouraged?
The kids are all at it these days

You forgot hat wearers.


Never forget the hat wearers.

Duke Leonal Felmet

boneitis wrote: »

Then this end of the industry is probably not for you.

No probably about it. I play music for pleasure only, any time I have added money to that formula, it made me dislike being in a band. The last band I was in that tried to be "professional" (note the use of quotes) led to me stop playing for three years. I now play in an originals band and I don't worry about anything but composing, purely for music as an art. Nothing more.

raindog.promo

Deleted User wrote: »

You forgot hat wearers.


Never forget the hat wearers.

Can't wait til they throw their hatted asses in jail.

(btw: They always did. Exhibit A)

boneitis

raindog.promo wrote: »

What about drug addictions? Frowned on or encouraged?
The kids are all at it these days

I can only say that, if you're a drug addict at this point, by that I mean before you're famous, good luck getting famous.

If you're talking recreation cannabis, I could care less... better than hardcore alcoholics... neither is my personal prefrence.

All that being said, honesty is the best policy. None of us are druggies...

Though we are located directly beneath the Earth's sun.

stephen22

boneitis wrote: »

Can you DM your email address? I responded to someone named Stephen and then heard nothing back...

PM'd

boneitis

One final bump. Big response so far. Auditions will begin in earnest in January.

Thanks everyone!

off.the.walls

You said that Record labels want a good image, so no over weight people? Have you seen the band bowling for soup and the size of their guitarist and they are a very well recognized punk rock band.

Duke Leonal Felmet

off.the.walls wrote: »

You said that Record labels want a good image, so no over weight people? Have you seen the band bowling for soup and the size of their guitarist and they are a very well recognized punk rock band.

Ditto Magic Numbers. I think the OP is talking about bands like The Coronas.

boneitis

Again there's two important points:

1. No one is making you audition for the band.

2. If you're overweight, that's grand. Don't care. Record labels do. A few examples of famous fat people actually proves the point. By far most famous musicians aren't overweight. It makes more work for labels who can't use their standard "sex sells" template to push an artist.

The harder you make it on a label the less likely they are to invest money in you. For obvious reasons.

Let me put it to you like this:

Two bands, both with the same tunes and same ability:

One is full of attractive people.

The other is full of "less attractive" overweight people (not my standard, but the accepted consensus).

Which would the label be more likely to sign? Why make it harder on yourself? It's hard enough w/o making extra work for yourself.

If you disagree with that fine, but don't bother applying for this, as you're not the right person. And as the mods said, if you start flaming this, you're gonna get slapped down.

My ad, my project, my standards.

Duke Leonal Felmet

Thom Yorke is a total flah. Actually, he isn't. But he doesn't need to be, because he is a brilliant composer.

In the end, you can't deny talent. That's the beauty of it (pun intended).

off.the.walls

Your like a child the way your talking there. I'm just going to name a few "overweight" artists who are very famous now, bowling for soup is one, adele is another one who people site for being overweight.

You have no idea if i'm the right person or not, you've never seen or heard me playing bass. I would of applied buy after reading half of the stuff you've said on this thread i'd rather be in a struggling band than in one with someone as pompous as yourself.

I'm not saying anything against you i'm just saying that making a statement about that is one of the most insulting shallow things i've ever seen on this board and how dare you. So what if people have a little extra weight on them, telling someone not to apply for a audition because of their body type is disgusting and really I hope your ashamed of yourself.

MilanPan!c

I gotta say, I agree with the OP.

And calling someone pompous cause you disagree with them is pretty weak.