Sky Sports F1

Infoanon

Breaking news that Sky are launching a dedicated HD sports channel for its F1 coverage.

Is this going to be another Sky Atlantic situation where they are not going to provide the channel to UPC and other cable customers ?

In the press release they refer to a HD version only and as we know UPC have not been given the rights to provide SS in HD....

Joekers

They said on sky sports news thats there will be a standard def aswell, if we get it on upc I dont know

smurf22

This from sky doesnt surprise me, this is why everyone for years has been worried about sky getting the rights to f1, They've now made up their own channel so that the likes of UPC and Virgin Media f1 fans will have to subscribe to their rip off service to see the full season of f1.

I was with sky for 4 years and i left for a reason, within those 4 years my bill had gone up 11 euro a month and i was still on the exact same package, their a complete rip off, and whats worse is they rip us off way more in our country compared to the UK Countries.

The Irish rights for f1 are up for discussion after the last race this week, now that Setanta dont have a HD channel anymore lets hope RTE will express an intrest in f1 for next year as they tried to get it for this year.

Minstrel27

smurf22 wrote: »

This from sky doesnt surprise me, this is why everyone for years has been worried about sky getting the rights to f1, They've now made up their own channel so that the likes of UPC and Virgin Media f1 fans will have to subscribe to their rip off service to see the full season of f1.

You know for a fact that the F1 channel will not be offered to other providers?

smurf22 wrote: »

The Irish rights for f1 are up for discussion after the last race this week, now that Setanta dont have a HD channel anymore lets hope RTE will express an intrest in f1 for next year as they tried to get it for this year.

Setanta don't have a HD channel? I thought it was a UPC exclusive, same way that you are saying that Sky F1 will be exclusive to Sky.

icdg

If Bernie Eccelstone has anything to do with it, I'd imagine it will be offered to other platforms. It would be bad enough for the sponsors that bankroll F1 that the sport would be on pay-TV only, without it also being restricted to one particular pay-TV platform.

I'd imagine that at the very least Virgin Media will get the channel. Whether UPC get it is another question entirely.

I'd also lay any number of bets that Setanta's deal with Formula One will not be renewed and that the Irish rights will also go to Sky, if that has not already been agreed at least on an informal basis.. Now that Sky's in the game they will not want Setanta involved too.

Infoanon

icdg wrote: »

If Bernie Eccelstone has anything to do with it, I'd imagine it will be offered to other platforms. It would be bad enough for the sponsors that bankroll F1 that the sport would be on pay-TV only, without it also being restricted to one particular pay-TV platform.

I'd imagine that at the very least Virgin Media will get the channel. Whether UPC get it is another question entirely.

I'd also lay any number of bets that Setanta's deal with Formula One will not be renewed and that the Irish rights will also go to Sky, if that has not already been agreed at least on an informal basis.. Now that Sky's in the game they will not want Setanta involved too.

Think its a foregone conclusion that Sky have the Irish rights - how could an Irish channel compete against commercial free F1 coverage ?
Setanta got the coverage when ITV had the UK rights - BBC getting the rights was the death knell - in fact Setanta now simply relay BBCs coverage.
There has been mention of freeview carriage in the UK and to avoid adverse publicity I can see Virgin getting carriage, I fear though for UPC - Sky could use this as another battering ram and Bernie will not be too bothered about Irish TV rights...

Minstrel27

Infoanon wrote: »

in fact Setanta now simply relay BBCs coverage.

Is it actually BBC coverage or is it the F1 World Feed? The World Feed has BBC commentators.

Setanta said they have rights for next year so UPC customers wont be missing out on F1 regardless of what happens.

Infoanon

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Is it actually BBC coverage or is it the F1 World Feed? The World Feed has BBC commentators.

Setanta said they have rights for next year so UPC customers wont be missing out on F1 regardless of what happens.

World feed ie the only difference is Setanta dont include the EJ and Jake contributions.

Have Setanta confirmed they have 2012 rights ? Its possible as the BBC are giving up the rights a year early but......I live in hope but won't believe it until I see it on screen in March 2012.

Setanta have scaled back their F1 coverage dramatically over the last year

Minstrel27

Infoanon wrote: »

Have Setanta confirmed they have 2012 rights ?

They did on Twitter a few months ago

doubledown wrote: »

Setanta have tweeted that they will be broadcasting F1 next season. No idea which commentary they will be using though. This year they have dropped Declan Quigley and David Kennedy and are showing the pictures from the world feed and the audio from the BBC.

http://twitter.com/#!/SetantaSports

ted1

They might show it but. It may not be live.

icdg

Infoanon wrote: »

World feed ie the only difference is Setanta dont include the EJ and Jake contributions.

Have Setanta confirmed they have 2012 rights ? Its possible as the BBC are giving up the rights a year early but......I live in hope but won't believe it until I see it on screen in March 2012.

Oddly, during qualifying, Setanta do take the audio when it returns to Humphreys and Jordan between Q1 & Q2 and Q2 & Q3. The picture stays with the world feed though.

Now I was on the understanding that Setanta had one year left in their contract, but I could be mistaken. I thought their scheduling yesterday when they elected to put the qualifying on Setanta Sports 1 (which you have to pay extra for on UPC) and Manchester United v Newcastle on Setanta Ireland was absolutely daft from their own point of view, though I'm sure the hoardes of United fans were very grateful. But why they would do this when all UPC (and Sky) customers have BBC One anyway I don't know.

Infoanon

icdg wrote: »

I thought their scheduling yesterday when they elected to put the qualifying on Setanta Sports 1 (which you have to pay extra for on UPC) and Manchester United v Newcastle on Setanta Ireland was absolutely daft from their own point of view, though I'm sure the hoardes of United fans were very grateful. But why they would do this when all UPC (and Sky) customers have BBC One anyway I don't know.

Very unusual for Setanta to have the ManU games on SSIreland, I believe its the same for the next ManU game.

Maybe advertising income for showing ManU games on SSIre is greater then the subscription income from SS1 ? looking at the listings all the 'prime' sports are on SSIreland which is a definite shift in strategy.

EPL rights are up this season(11/12) afaik - expect RTE/Sky to attempt to get them again (wonder will TG4 try another bold move !)

Now have to wait until March 16/17/18 to see if UPC will carry SSF1

Minstrel27

ted1 wrote: »

They might show it but. It may not be live.

Why wouldn't they show it live if their current contract hasn't expired?

scottyccfc

Any news on this for UPC?

deanh

scottyccfc wrote: »

Any news on this for UPC?

There is no news on it being available on a non- Sky platform.

djimi

I spoke to UPC sales during the week and was told that they would definately be carrying this channel. I take that with a massive pinch of salt however as I was also told that they would definately have Sky Sports HD in time for the start of the 2010-11 PL season...

smurf22

djimi wrote: »

I spoke to UPC sales during the week and was told that they would definately be carrying this channel. I take that with a massive pinch of salt however as I was also told that they would definately have Sky Sports HD in time for the start of the 2010-11 PL season...

I just cant get my head around how much disrespect this company shows its customers by lying all the time.

Theres not a chance Sky F1 HD being on UPC.

Sure they cant even get Sky Atlantic (SD) on the channel list

forzacalcio

smurf22 wrote: »

I just cant get my head around how much disrespect this company shows its customers by lying all the time.

Theres not a chance Sky F1 HD being on UPC.

Sure they cant even get Sky Atlantic (SD) on the channel list

There is a difference, Sky Atlantic is free so they wouldnt gain anything by giving it to UPC, SKYF1 on the other hand will entice more customers to get Sky Sports and pay 33 Euro a Month extra. They wouldnt have paid all that money and not try and recoup it as quick as possible,

An Tarbh

Well Sky Atlantic is far from free but that's another story.

As for Sky Sports F1, it's purely an effort from Sky to boost their HD subscribers, you won't need to subscribe to any of the Sky Sports packages to get Sky Sports F1 HD, it will come as standard once you subscribe to the HD package. The SD version will no doubt be available on UPC and Virgin but I wouldn't bet the house on the HD version appearing any time soon.

george27

i spoke yesterday to a sky rep.and he said to wait until closer to the time as sky may offer the f1 at 7e a month or there abouts.hope this is true.as the hd pack is 15 a month.

Infoanon

george27 wrote: »

i spoke yesterday to a sky rep.and he said to wait until closer to the time as sky may offer the f1 at 7e a month or there abouts.hope this is true.as the hd pack is 15 a month.

UPC have officially stated that they are in negotiations for carriage of Sky Sports F1.

This is good news - almost certainly SD version only though - Sky have no plans to allow UPC carriage of Skys' HD channels

forzacalcio

Infoanon wrote: »

UPC have officially stated that they are in negotiations for carriage of Sky Sports F1.

This is good news - almost certainly SD version only though - Sky have no plans to allow UPC carriage of Skys' HD channels

Not doubting you but where have they officially stated this?

starfish12

Apologies - I inadvertently started another thread about this in the motorsport forum;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056509545

Basically just off the phone to UPC who told me its highly unlikely that they will have the F1 channel in March if at all

forzacalcio

starfish12 wrote: »

Apologies - I inadvertently started another thread about this in the motorsport forum;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056509545

Basically just off the phone to UPC who told me its highly unlikely that they will have the F1 channel in March if at all

That was the main reason I got Sky Sports so looks like I will be getting rid then!

I still think they will. Sky paid too much fo rthis not to get the money back.

Ranicand

I changed over to Sky a few months ago and it is a more expensive service.

Having exclusive channels is a marketing ploy in my opinion.

UPC are not really to blame here Sky are the greedy party here.

Infoanon

forzacalcio wrote: »

Not doubting you but where have they officially stated this?

Official UPC twitter feed

Infoanon

forzacalcio wrote: »

That was the main reason I got Sky Sports so looks like I will be getting rid then!

I still think they will. Sky paid too much fo rthis not to get the money back.

Sky paid the same as BBC paid previously - I would guess the marketing ploy would be to offer the channel free to get new subscribers and then make it a premium channel in a year or two.

Dodge

Infoanon wrote: »

Sky paid the same as BBC paid previously - I would guess the marketing ploy would be to offer the channel free to get new subscribers and then make it a premium channel in a year or two.

I don't think there's a market for F1 to go as a premium channel

If UPC had any clues when they're asked if they're going to carry Sky F1, they should mention that the races are live on Setanta Ireland "part of the blah bl;ah package.."

djimi

starfish12 wrote: »

Apologies - I inadvertently started another thread about this in the motorsport forum;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056509545

Basically just off the phone to UPC who told me its highly unlikely that they will have the F1 channel in March if at all

Thats interesting becaues they told me the opposite. Ill have to call them again tomorrow and see what their story is this time.

starfish12

djimi wrote: »

starfish12 wrote: »

Apologies - I inadvertently started another thread about this in the motorsport forum;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056509545

Basically just off the phone to UPC who told me its highly unlikely that they will have the F1 channel in March if at all

Thats interesting becaues they told me the opposite. Ill have to call them again tomorrow and see what their story is this time.

I've also asked them on twitter and been told that they are 'in negotiations' with sky and absolutely no idea when they will have a proper yes or no......at this rate am starting to think its a ploy so ppl don't give their 30 days notice to cancel before the season starts!

I've also asked setanta if they'll have build up or which channel its on (setanta ireland v setanta sports 1) and they've yet to respond

forzacalcio

I dont think Setanta will have any build up. If they do it willbe two fools in a studio in Dublin. The World Feed is the best we can hope for but I still think they wil show this on Setanta Sports 1. F1 could be on 3 channels next season at certain stages.

Minstrel27

Ranicand wrote: »

Having exclusive channels is a marketing ploy in my opinion.

UPC are not really to blame here Sky are the greedy party here.

Of course it is a marketing ploy. If Sky believe that keeping a channel exclusive will make them more money then of course they will keep it exclusive. If they think other providers having it will make them more money then other providers will have it. Business is business.

icdg

forzacalcio wrote: »

I dont think Setanta will have any build up. If they do it willbe two fools in a studio in Dublin. The World Feed is the best we can hope for but I still think they wil show this on Setanta Sports 1. F1 could be on 3 channels next season at certain stages.

Setanta had zero build up or anything this year - they literally took the World Feed from when the Formula 1 ident is shown (at 5 mins to start of qualifying/race) along with the world commentary feed, which was in fact the audio from BBC One. This created some weird situations during qualifying when they returned to Humphreys and Jordan, whereby you could hear but not see them on Setanta (since the pictures were still the World Feed).

The perhaps good news is that I believe Sky Sports will be providing the commentary feed this season, as it was mentioned that they are contractually obliged to offer it to the BBC before it was known that the BBC would be continuing to do their own coverage. This could lead to the strange situation whereby Setanta may be taking Sky commentary.

As for which channel, in previous years Setanta have shown races on both Setanta Ireland and Setanta Sports 1, depending on what else they were covering any particular weekend.

djimi

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Of course it is a marketing ploy. If Sky believe that keeping a channel exclusive will make them more money then of course they will keep it exclusive. If they think other providers having it will make them more money then other providers will have it. Business is business.

It depends on what agreement Sky have with the FIA on broadcast rights. This is new territory for UK coverage of F1; FIA will be very aware that Sky keeping the coverage exclusive to their own platform will massively reduce the live viewing numbers, which will already have taken a hit by the races going PPV. Im not so sure that the FIA will be too keen on this happening. Not sure what they can do about it (if anything) but I would hope they have measures in place to ensure that Sky make the channel available to other providers.

Minstrel27

Using that logic, Setanta will be providing you coverage on UPC so Sky really don't have to do anything in this country.

Dodge

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Using that logic, Setanta will be providing you coverage on UPC so Sky really don't have to do anything in this country.

They don't have to, but they will want to...

Infoanon

In the past F1 rights where sold on a country by country basis - with a clause that an additional charge would apply if a driver of the same nationality as the rights holder won a race during the term of the contract.

Setanta late last year stated that they have rights for the 2012 season - so its possible a race could be on three channels simultaneously or none at all if UPC & Sky dont do a deal...........

forzacalcio

Virgin Media just announced will carry SKY SPORTS F1 - Good news for UPC as it shows SKy do want to sell rights!

Dodge

Sky advertised "Sky Sports F1 HD" at the weekend "no extra cost to "HD customers"

So they're not going donw the subscription route

Minstrel27

Dodge wrote: »

Sky advertised "Sky Sports F1 HD" at the weekend "no extra cost to "HD customers"

So they're not going donw the subscription route

They are . HD costs €15 per month on Sky. Also if you don't have Sky HD, Sky Sports is required to view it.

Dodge

Sorry, I meant they're not going asking people to pay for one particular channel. I had assumed it would be aprt of their sports pack (which it is)

forzacalcio

Dodge wrote: »

Sorry, I meant they're not going asking people to pay for one particular channel. I had assumed it would be aprt of their sports pack (which it is)

But we knew that! They already announced this when it was first made known.

Dodge

Oooops, misread about a dozen posts here so...

forzacalcio

The bottom line here is Virgin have struck a deal with Sky which means Sky are not trying to keep Sky SPorts F1 exclusivly to Sky TV. If UPC dont get Sky Sports F1 it will be plain obvious that UPC are the stumbling block and not Sky TV

Dodge

forzacalcio wrote: »

The bottom line here is Virgin have struck a deal with Sky which means Sky are not trying to keep Sky SPorts F1 exclusivly to Sky TV. If UPC dont get Sky Sports F1 it will be plain obvious that UPC are the stumbling block and not Sky TV

Price could be the stumbling block in fairness. If sky value it at x and UPC value it at y, then blaming anyone one side is pointless

forzacalcio

Dodge wrote: »

Price could be the stumbling block in fairness. If sky value it at x and UPC value it at y, then blaming anyone one side is pointless

I agree, but if Virgin can agree a fee Id doubt its an unrealistic figure.

forzacalcio

UPC would want to get the finger out!

starfish12

Quote from UPC on twitter;

We are actively in negotiations ! The channel does not launch until march so we should know more soon!

smurf22

forzacalcio wrote: »

The bottom line here is Virgin have struck a deal with Sky which means Sky are not trying to keep Sky SPorts F1 exclusivly to Sky TV. If UPC dont get Sky Sports F1 it will be plain obvious that UPC are the stumbling block and not Sky TV

Lets get 1 thing straight here, sky will do anything thay can to keep their exclusive channels off the likes of upc and virgin, the only reason virgin got sky f1 is because they took them to court a few years back over refusing to to suply them with sky sports and movies in hd, and virgin won.

That wont happen here, upc nor the regulators here have the balls to stand up to sky.

On the plus side if they did get it it would force setanta to show the races on setanta ireland hd instead of trying to make us subscribe to watch it on their sd setanta sports 1 channel if they decide to try rip us off.

forzacalcio

smurf22 wrote: »

Lets get 1 thing straight here, sky will do anything thay can to keep their exclusive channels off the likes of upc and virgin, the only reason virgin got sky f1 is because they took them to court a few years back over refusing to to suply them with sky sports and movies in hd, and virgin won.

That wont happen here, upc nor the regulators here have the balls to stand up to sky.

On the plus side if they did get it it would force setanta to show the races on setanta ireland hd instead of trying to make us subscribe to watch it on their sd setanta sports 1 channel if they decide to try rip us off.

I disagree. There is a big difference in not supplying Sky SPorts HD and not supplying Sky SPorts at all.

An Tarbh

smurf22 wrote: »

Lets get 1 thing straight here, sky will do anything thay can to keep their exclusive channels off the likes of upc and virgin, the only reason virgin got sky f1 is because they took them to court a few years back over refusing to to suply them with sky sports and movies in hd, and virgin won.

That wont happen here, upc nor the regulators here have the balls to stand up to sky.

On the plus side if they did get it it would force setanta to show the races on setanta ireland hd instead of trying to make us subscribe to watch it on their sd setanta sports 1 channel if they decide to try rip us off.

Setanta have only ever put F1 on Setanta Sports 1 when there's been a clash with the Rugby World Cup.